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[Discussion] Roberto Luongo Trade Thread (Keep all discussion here)

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You continue to say Schneider will be traded when everyone that's a fan of the NHL knows Luongo will be the one shown the door.

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"Everyone" does not qualify as fact or explanation.

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"Everyone" does not qualify as fact or explanation.

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One quote from Luongo at a poker tournament is what everyone places their bets on. Nobody ever suggests that he might be in on Operation Inflate Schneider's Value, that he might have said something like that in collusion with Gillis and the rest of management.

I agree that it would make more sense to trade Schneider. Things could go either way at this point. Think back to early February and how many people would have believed Cody Hodgson was on the verge of being traded....

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Not necessarily.

Sensemaker does make sense.

Läck seems to be dominating the AHL like Schneider was during his tenure in the minors. All directions seemingly lead to Läck being a very successful goaltender for us in the future. That being said, would Gillis really want to get a low return for Luongo only to have seemingly another goalie controversy down the road with Schneider and Läck?

Luongo is still a top goaltender -- he just had an off year, like everyone else on our team. Recall, he had his best season and was in contention of the Vezina two seasons ago. Moreover, with the departure of Ehrhoff our defence was given the green light to produce points. Consequently, we lost our composure and formidable defensive structure quite often last season. Adding Garrison, a defensive specialist with a bomb of a shot, to our backend will improve our defence and help Luongo return to elite-level status.

Yes, Luongo is most likely to be shown the door, but Gillis will not trade Luongo at his current value. Recall, Gillis and Vigneault made Cody Hodgson into something they could trade at maximum value for (although the timing of the trade is questionable). Luongo right now will not get a great return. Schneider on the other hand is at his maximum value. Schneider has seemingly surpassed Luongo to claim the number 1 spot on a President's Trophy team and is signed to a really good contract. Imagine what a package including Schneider and one of our prospects and a 1st rounder could get..

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that our window for a cup is now and the next few years. The Sedins -- and Burrows for that matter -- can only play at an elite level for so long. Once they decline we won't have anyone else to replace their scoring. Kesler can not be relied on scoring every single game against top pairing defences. Booth, a player very similar to Kesler, is just as inconsistent. Unless they form amazing chemistry together (a la Kesler and Burrows) and become consistent they will be relegated to secondary scoring duties.

Furthermore, most of our prospects are years away from even making the team in a 3rd line role. Schroeder, a once promising prospect, has stumbled since being drafted but is now getting back on track. Jensen, our most talented prospect, will most likely take another 2 to 3 years before he rounds out his game enough to garner a roster spot. Kassian, barring a miraculous offseason, will be put either on the fourth line or in the AHL. He'll still need a few more years before he surpasses Higgins and Hansen to be put on the third line wing.

My point is, Luongo can get us a second liner or a mid level prospect and a pick. Schneider, or a Schneider package, can possibly get us a first line talent with solid potential or an offensive stud. Bobby Ryan comes to mind (yes they have Hiller but there were rumours of Perry or Ryan to Vancouver for a Schneider package earlier this year). Trading Schneider for the right guy will help us now for our cup run and in the future, moreso than a desperate Luongo trade to Florida for Versteeg or Matthias and a pick. The positive impact from a Schneider trade has the potential to be tremendously bigger than a Luongo trade.

It just makes more sense for the team to trade Schneider than Luongo.

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Yeah, the whole team had an off year. President's trophy isn't very good.

The rest I agree with, but we didn't have an off year just because we lost in the playoffs.

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One quote from Luongo at a poker tournament is what everyone places their bets on. Nobody ever suggests that he might be in on Operation Inflate Schneider's Value, that he might have said something like that in collusion with Gillis and the rest of management.

I agree that it would make more sense to trade Schneider. Things could go either way at this point. Think back to early February and how many people would have believed Cody Hodgson was on the verge of being traded....

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"operation inflate Schneider's value". I could not have said it better. To me, this is EXACTLY what this is. Luongo did say something about "helping the team".

This place is starting to make sense finally.

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"operation inflate Schneider's value". I could not have said it better. To me, this is EXACTLY what this is. Luongo did say something about "helping the team".

This place is starting to make sense finally.

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Not necessarily.

Sensemaker does make sense.

Läck seems to be dominating the AHL like Schneider was during his tenure in the minors. All directions seemingly lead to Läck being a very successful goaltender for us in the future. That being said, would Gillis really want to get a low return for Luongo only to have seemingly another goalie controversy down the road with Schneider and Läck?

Luongo is still a top goaltender -- he just had an off year, like everyone else on our team. Recall, he had his best season and was in contention of the Vezina two seasons ago. Moreover, with the departure of Ehrhoff our defence was given the green light to produce points. Consequently, we lost our composure and formidable defensive structure quite often last season. Adding Garrison, a defensive specialist with a bomb of a shot, to our backend will improve our defence and help Luongo return to elite-level status.

Yes, Luongo is most likely to be shown the door, but Gillis will not trade Luongo at his current value. Recall, Gillis and Vigneault made Cody Hodgson into something they could trade at maximum value for (although the timing of the trade is questionable). Luongo right now will not get a great return. Schneider on the other hand is at his maximum value. Schneider has seemingly surpassed Luongo to claim the number 1 spot on a President's Trophy team and is signed to a really good contract. Imagine what a package including Schneider and one of our prospects and a 1st rounder could get..

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that our window for a cup is now and the next few years. The Sedins -- and Burrows for that matter -- can only play at an elite level for so long. Once they decline we won't have anyone else to replace their scoring. Kesler can not be relied on scoring every single game against top pairing defences. Booth, a player very similar to Kesler, is just as inconsistent. Unless they form amazing chemistry together (a la Kesler and Burrows) and become consistent they will be relegated to secondary scoring duties.

Furthermore, most of our prospects are years away from even making the team in a 3rd line role. Schroeder, a once promising prospect, has stumbled since being drafted but is now getting back on track. Jensen, our most talented prospect, will most likely take another 2 to 3 years before he rounds out his game enough to garner a roster spot. Kassian, barring a miraculous offseason, will be put either on the fourth line or in the AHL. He'll still need a few more years before he surpasses Higgins and Hansen to be put on the third line wing.

My point is, Luongo can get us a second liner or a mid level prospect and a pick. Schneider, or a Schneider package, can possibly get us a first line talent with solid potential or an offensive stud. Bobby Ryan comes to mind (yes they have Hiller but there were rumours of Perry or Ryan to Vancouver for a Schneider package earlier this year). Trading Schneider for the right guy will help us now for our cup run and in the future, moreso than a desperate Luongo trade to Florida for Versteeg or Matthias and a pick. The positive impact from a Schneider trade has the potential to be tremendously bigger than a Luongo trade.

It just makes more sense for the team to trade Schneider than Luongo.

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Conspiracy theory? Increasing asset value is not conspiracy theory.

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There's no theater. Management hasn't said anything about trading Luongo besides the stock "listening to offers, taking calls, etc." media soundbites. Unless I missed it, the only concrete thing we have is a quote from Luongo at a Vegas poker tournament - hardly gospel.

Also, keep in mind that Gillis got involved with the overall coaching of the team for approximately one third of last season, all for the purpose of driving up a player's value before trading him. So the idea that they might be manipulating the media to make Schneids seem less available than Lu shouldn't be so easily dismissed.

Anyways, even though I was the one who threw the idea out there in the first place, I don't necessarily believe that Luongo said the things he did because Gillis asked him to. I think it's an interesting idea and absolutely within the realm of possibility, just not likely. What I think is more likely is that Lu was just being the same awkward/speak-before-thinking interviewee he's always been, and said a few things off the cuff. I also think he might have gone over the edge in terms of how sick he is of the over-exposure in this market, and decided since it's the off season he'll just mess with their heads a bit and watch everyone start frothing at the mouth.

Now if you'll excuse me I have to run out to the store for some more t'foil!

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Conspiracy theory? Increasing asset value is not conspiracy theory.

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My definition of a conspiracy theory is believing that the moon landing was faked and filmed in the Nevada desert.

Suggesting an athlete said something in an interview to aid in trading away the guy who's going to take his job? I call that being bored on the internet in the off season.

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My definition of a conspiracy theory is believing that the moon landing was faked and filmed in the Nevada desert.

Suggesting an athlete said something in an interview to aid in trading away the guy who's going to take his job? I call that being bored on the internet in the off season.

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LOL. That is the definition of a conspiracy theory. I don't know what your definition of one is.

The only way Schneider gets traded is if MG almost dies of shock if some team offers an insane proposal for Schneids. And the only way I'd trade Cory is if MG is offered a 1st line player (Ryan type), a bottom six player (Brouwer type) a top 4 D man (Subban type) a prospect (Huberdeau type), and a 1st.

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Are you serious? You think it would take Gillis (theoretically) along the lines of

Bobby Ryan

Subban

Brouwer

Huberdeau (a future first liner)

1st rounder

for Schneider? I'd have to think he'd give him up for 3, maybe even 2 of those depending on which ones in combo.

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Gillis - Hey Roberto, how is your summer going

Roberto - good

Gillis - can you do me a huge favor Roberto?

Roberto - K

Gillis - when you are interviewed at the porker tournement in Las Vegas can you maybe mention that you want out of Vancouver, say something like its time to move on yada yada.

Roberto - *blinks twice*

Gillis - hello?...

Roberto - ok

Gillis - great, this will increase Cory Schneiders value.

Click....*dialtone

Roberto - hello

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More sense making. Good stuff.

Regarding the posters who argue that Luongo dug his own grave...

I think L.A. Was deemed unbeatable due to the constant turnovers and counter rushes. So in comes Schneidwr in order to increase his value.

Concerning Luongo: saying whatever helps the team when asked if he would waive his NTC might also include getting benched in favor of Schneider so as to increase his value.

Also, his comments from Las Vegas sounds like he really doesn't give a flying f**k about the media and their stance.

Come game time, Schmeider wi be given ample games so as to make other GMs salivate at the mouth and therefore overpay in a trade.

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