WiDeN Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 So the Canucks win the President's Trophy and go to a SCF, lose to the meanie Beanies, play the next season on a playoff hangover, win the President's Trophy again but lose in the first round to the eternal cokeheads, the fans call for Luongo's head promptly, the league and players start their little fight over money, league wide trading and signing is stalled but Luongo isn't traded to whoever wants a bag of pucks with a heartbeat so now you're calling for the man's head who is ultimately responsible for it all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bookie Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 Gillis said back in June / July that August would have a better trade market to trade Lu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiDeN Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 Dear God this is getting boring, but I'll ask again - have a cite for that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB007 Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 Dear God this is getting boring, but I'll ask again - have a cite for that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiDeN Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 "Cory wanted to stay here and we wanted to keep him here, so we were confident that we were going to get it done before July 1st," Gillis said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB007 Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 "Now, we have all of our options ahead of us, and we'll flush them all out," said Gillis, who expects the trade market to heat up in August. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sensemaker Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 There is a video of him on TSN saying "I expect the trade market for goalies to be better come August", but unfortunately I can't locate that video. The above quote is the closest thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB007 Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 Oh no... Prepare the guillotine! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Bo7 Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 I think Gillis underestimated how much the CBA negotiations would affect the trade market. At the time he made those statements, I doubt he was aware that the NHL had plans to lower the salary cap by 12 million dollars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sensemaker Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 If there is proof that Luke Schenn was on the table straight up, or close to straight up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sensemaker Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 I think Gillis underestimated how much the CBA negotiations would affect the trade market. At the time he made those statements, I doubt he was aware that the NHL had plans to lower the salary cap by 12 million dollars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB007 Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 You're looking for a quick fix trade for the sake of entertainment when really, whether Luongo is traded or not, it won't effect your daily routine whatever it may be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 Thanks for explaining the difference between a rumour and a fact... I won't be surprised if Luongo is dealt later, Gillis would cough up some of the details of offers received that didn't materialize. So we'll see. Even if we win the Cup, it won't affect my and your daily routines. Schenn at the 6th position is a huge upgrade over Alberts or Tanev. He is probably better than Ballard at 5th, with good potential to be top 4 D. And he is still very young with room to grow. With the remaining cap room saved we can get a vet goaltender. If you want to call it a quick fix, then I say a quick fix is better than no fix. Luongo has already publicly stated that the Canucks should move him. You want him back next year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sensemaker Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 Thanks for explaining the difference between a rumour and a fact... I won't be surprised if Luongo is dealt later, Gillis would cough up some of the details of offers received that didn't materialize. So we'll see. Even if we win the Cup, it won't affect my and your daily routines. Schenn at the 6th position is a huge upgrade over Alberts or Tanev. He is probably better than Ballard at 5th, with good potential to be top 4 D. And he is still very young with room to grow. With the remaining cap room saved we can get a vet goaltender. If you want to call it a quick fix, then I say a quick fix is better than no fix. Luongo has already publicly stated that the Canucks should move him. You want him back next year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB007 Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 "it's been a great six years but now it's time to move on" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dasein Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 Tanev is cool as school, but Schenn is a mobile and physical shut down Dman. He has much to learn still but his upsides are far higher than Tanev's. There is a reason why Phili gave up JVR for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sensemaker Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 If he isn't hinting at asking for a trade, then maybe he wishes to be waived, which I doubt. I don't know how else to define "move on". Having Lu and Schneider has given us and will definitely give us the best goaltending tandem in the league going forward, but it wouldn't give us a better team. Schneider + veteran backup at around $2M + Schenn (for instance) > Lu + Schneider It is a better allocation of cap and gives us more defensive depth. You can only play one goalie at a time, you know. Tanev is cool as school, but Schenn is a mobile and physical shut down Dman. He has much to learn still but his upsides are far higher than Tanev's. There is a reason why Phili gave up JVR for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 If he isn't hinting at asking for a trade, then maybe he wishes to be waived, which I doubt. I don't know how else to define "move on". Having Lu and Schneider has given us and will definitely give us the best goaltending tandem in the league going forward, but it wouldn't give us a better team. Schneider + veteran backup at around $2M + Schenn (for instance) > Lu + Schneider It is a better allocation of cap and gives us more defensive depth. You can only play one goalie at a time, you know. Tanev is cool as school, but Schenn is a mobile and physical shut down Dman. He has much to learn still but his upsides are far higher than Tanev's. There is a reason why Phili gave up JVR for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB007 Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 Luongo + veteran or rookie backup + secondary scoring in the form of a Ryan or Kane type player (for instance) > Lu + Schneider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiDeN Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 You're welcome. I hope you abide by those rules for they apply in all aspects of life. Pretty sure Shenn will have a bigger role in Philly than he would have had in Vancouver. As for "fixing" the goaltending situation in Vancouver, you can't really fix what has become known as the best goaltending tandem in the league. Find me the quote where Luongo has publicly stated that the Canucks should move him. "it's been a great six years but now it's time to move on" is not asking for a trade. Stating he would waive his NTC for the team's best interest if asked do to so is not publicly asking for a trade. Get me facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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