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Posted 23 August 2012 - 09:38 AM

Gillis offered Howden + 2nd, trying to bump that up to a 1st. That is probably the highest offer the Canucks are going to get for Luongo, but other teams have offered a lot more (Lu won't waive).


So if it ends up being Howden and a 2nd and then looking at the Ballard trade;

Lu, Grabner and Bernier

For

Ballard, Oreo, Howden and a 2nd

Ouch! (though I do like the Booth and Higgins trades)

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 01:18 PM

wooo dubinsky...


Dubinsky is the exact type of the player the Canucks should be adding to their existing roster.
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Posted 23 August 2012 - 07:31 PM

Gillis offered Howden + 2nd, trying to bump that up to a 1st. That is probably the highest offer the Canucks are going to get for Luongo, but other teams have offered a lot more (Lu won't waive).


Did this rumor come out of your ass? If Howden and a 2nd round pick is all were gonna get, I rather just keep Luongo. What the hell is this? The offers are decreasing in value?
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Posted 23 August 2012 - 08:03 PM

Dubinsky is the exact type of the player the Canucks should be adding to their existing roster.

Exactly.Which makes me wonder.... what would people think of a straight up deal for Brooks Laich? The Caps have Backstrom, Ribiero, Johansson, Perreault and Beagle down the middle without him.
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Posted 23 August 2012 - 08:10 PM

Exactly.Which makes me wonder.... what would people think of a straight up deal for Brooks Laich? The Caps have Backstrom, Ribiero, Johansson, Perreault and Beagle down the middle without him.

Brooks Laich would be an AWESOME 3rd line center. Maybe we can get him in a Luongo trade or a seperate trade?
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Posted 23 August 2012 - 08:16 PM

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 10:08 PM

Luongo is due to have a rebound season. There's no way he can be as bad as he was last year.


??????

Luongo's stats weren't great, but Luongo played very well last year. I thought he played a lot better than the season prior when he had what was statistically the best season of his career. Luongo started playing more of a hybrid style by coming out aggressively once in awhile and trusting his instincts than staying back all the time like he did the year before. He also held his glove hand higher and it seemed like his glove hand was back to being what it used to be.

A lot of people on this board think Luongo went down from last season, but I don't see it that way. I think people's memories have been contorted by what happened in the playoffs where Schneider took over, but Luongo was the main reason we were winning a bulk of the games we were winning this season by letting in one less goal than the other team - whereas last season, we won by scoring a bunch more than other teams.
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 09:20 AM

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Luongo's stats weren't great, but Luongo played very well last year. I thought he played a lot better than the season prior when he had what was statistically the best season of his career. Luongo started playing more of a hybrid style by coming out aggressively once in awhile and trusting his instincts than staying back all the time like he did the year before. He also held his glove hand higher and it seemed like his glove hand was back to being what it used to be.

A lot of people on this board think Luongo went down from last season, but I don't see it that way. I think people's memories have been contorted by what happened in the playoffs where Schneider took over, but Luongo was the main reason we were winning a bulk of the games we were winning this season by letting in one less goal than the other team - whereas last season, we won by scoring a bunch more than other teams.


+1

Not even a huge fan but he had one of his best years I thought. Professionally I felt he had his best year; dealing with "the controversy" - corys great play and generally the way he assumed more ownership for when he didn't play well.
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 09:32 AM

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Luongo's stats weren't great, but Luongo played very well last year. I thought he played a lot better than the season prior when he had what was statistically the best season of his career. Luongo started playing more of a hybrid style by coming out aggressively once in awhile and trusting his instincts than staying back all the time like he did the year before. He also held his glove hand higher and it seemed like his glove hand was back to being what it used to be.

A lot of people on this board think Luongo went down from last season, but I don't see it that way. I think people's memories have been contorted by what happened in the playoffs where Schneider took over, but Luongo was the main reason we were winning a bulk of the games we were winning this season by letting in one less goal than the other team - whereas last season, we won by scoring a bunch more than other teams.

I guess thats what this board is for...to cast your opinions...whether they make sense or not ! His stats were way down which equates to a poorer season. His change in style(other than raised glove) was not effective. Glad you think he looked good. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder !
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 10:51 AM

I guess thats what this board is for...to cast your opinions...whether they make sense or not ! His stats were way down which equates to a poorer season. His change in style(other than raised glove) was not effective. Glad you think he looked good. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder !


And 0.919s% and 2.41 gaa is way down? Couple seasons ago when he was at what 0.913 i could agree with you it wasn't looking good then. But in the end who cares about optics, goals are goals, all I care about is winning and Loui took us to game 7 in the SCF for the 1st time in 17years and is still playing well. Players have ups and downs in their careers and when you have a player that has had the career long consistency like Loui I don't know how you can justify dumping him for cap reasons like some people have suggested.

And before you argue Loui hasn't won anything but games, ask Islanders or Oilers fans if they wouldn't mind some wins. Hard to appreciate what you have until is is gone I guess.
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 11:13 AM

I guess thats what this board is for...to cast your opinions...whether they make sense or not ! His stats were way down which equates to a poorer season. His change in style(other than raised glove) was not effective. Glad you think he looked good. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder !

If a 31-14-8 record isn't good to you I don't know what is.
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 11:56 AM

If a 31-14-8 record isn't good to you I don't know what is.


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Posted 24 August 2012 - 12:02 PM

Exactly.Which makes me wonder.... what would people think of a straight up deal for Brooks Laich? The Caps have Backstrom, Ribiero, Johansson, Perreault and Beagle down the middle without him.

I know a couple Caps fans who would consider Laich untouchable in the first place, let alone that they don't need a keeper with the apparent emergence of Holtby.
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 02:41 PM

If a 31-14-8 record isn't good to you I don't know what is.

Which is actually 31 and 22 !! On a First placed team? hardly Stellar and GAA of 2.41 up from 2.11 when he was playing a better shutdown style. 14th and 16th in the league in goaltending stats and a dud against LA. If you had any technical knowledge about goaltending you might understand my position better but betting most of you don;t !
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 02:47 PM

Which is actually 31 and 22 !! On a First placed team? hardly Stellar and GAA of 2.41 up from 2.11 when he was playing a better shutdown style. 14th and 16th in the league in goaltending stats and a dud against LA. If you had any technical knowledge about goaltending you might understand my position better but betting most of you don;t !

If that was Schneider's record you'd be praising him. And Luongo was anything BUT a dud in the LA series. If it weren't for him we probably would've lost the first two games by 5+ instead of 4-2 in both of them.

Now take your Luongo hate glasses off and realize the fact that Luongo is an elite goalie that any team needing a starter would love to have.
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 03:01 PM

Luongo is 33 with 10 years left on his contract. Yummy.
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 03:26 PM

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I know a couple Caps fans who would consider Laich untouchable in the first place, let alone that they don't need a keeper with the apparent emergence of Holtby.


I'm not surprised that they would and it was my interest to see what the relative value of Luongo vs Laich was in the eyes of CDCers. I disagree that Was will definitely go with Holtby all the way as it would be a risky proposition if he follows the development of a Mason or Raycroft. It's much less likely he becomes Cam Ward though he might. I can really see Was being interested as they would still have the 5 year window in Lui's contract to trade him, pretty much exactly the same length as Laich's deal.

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Posted 24 August 2012 - 06:39 PM

If that was Schneider's record you'd be praising him. And Luongo was anything BUT a dud in the LA series. If it weren't for him we probably would've lost the first two games by 5+ instead of 4-2 in both of them.

Now take your Luongo hate glasses off and realize the fact that Luongo is an elite goalie that any team needing a starter would love to have.


Luongo was pretty good in the first game but he was very much a dud in the second, look at the numbers. Now on the other hand, if Cory had started the first two games, based again on the numbers, we mightv'e won one or even both of those first two games.
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 06:59 PM

If that was Schneider's record you'd be praising him. And Luongo was anything BUT a dud in the LA series. If it weren't for him we probably would've lost the first two games by 5+ instead of 4-2 in both of them.

Now take your Luongo hate glasses off and realize the fact that Luongo is an elite goalie that any team needing a starter would love to have.

If Schneider played Like Lou I would not be high on him either but , at this point in time, hes a lot better, in every category than Lou
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 08:24 PM

Luongo is 33 with 10 6 years left on his contract. Yummy.


Fixed

The last 4 are just there to circumvent the cap. How Canucks fans who are members of Canucks forums still not know this is beyond belief.

Luongo's contract is $6.714 mill per year for 6 years with a cap hit of $5.33 mill per year.
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Posted 25 August 2012 - 01:06 PM

So if it ends up being Howden and a 2nd and then looking at the Ballard trade;

Lu, Grabner and Bernier

For

Ballard, Oreo and a 2nd

Ouch! (though I do like the Booth and Higgins trades)


Fixed. Howden is on both sides of the equation and therefore cancels out.
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Posted 25 August 2012 - 04:45 PM

Exactly.Which makes me wonder.... what would people think of a straight up deal for Brooks Laich? The Caps have Backstrom, Ribiero, Johansson, Perreault and Beagle down the middle without him.


Depends on how we use him, 4.5M caphit which I'm not a huge fan of, I wouldn't trade Luongo for him, but we'd need to put in some important pieces and a capdump for the Caps to be interested
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Posted 25 August 2012 - 04:57 PM

Luongo will win his starting job back with the Canucks this year. F the haters.
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Posted 25 August 2012 - 06:33 PM

Luongo will win his starting job back with the Canucks this year. F the haters.


As a huge Luongo fan, I hope that would be the case and that we stick with Luongo and trade Cory. But looking at it right now, it seems highly unlikely that will happen.

Luongo is a proven commodity, while Schneider is not. That's the only thing Luongo has going for himself at this moment. When Cory comes out as the starter and strings together games, teams will obviously scout him more heavily with larger sample sizes and try to expose his weaknesses (ie, Jared Stoll's series-winner in game 5 where Schneider cheats off the post on the blocker side). Also, Schneider will be facing tougher opponents on a more regular basis (not saying he was sheltered--he played some huge games last season--but he will be doing a lot more of that than last year surely, if he is the starter).

It's Schneider's job to lose right now, and I don't think he will. But if he does, then it'll be because teams find some of Schneider's weaknesses (possible) which will bring his numbers back to where he should be and/or Schneider tires out (very unlikely as he is a very well-conditioned athlete).

I do worry slightly about Schneider because he isn't 100% proven and that our window to win with the current core is small now. But he has shown that he is capable and was better than Luongo in a smaller sample--and to become proven, you gotta start somewhere. If he proves to continue to be better with a larger sample, then I'm all for it. It would be sad to see Luongo leave though.

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 06:58 PM

As a huge Luongo fan, I hope that would be the case and that we stick with Luongo and trade Cory. But looking at it right now, it seems highly unlikely that will happen.

Luongo is a proven commodity, while Schneider is not. That's the only thing Luongo has going for himself at this moment. When Cory comes out as the starter and strings together games, teams will obviously scout him more heavily with larger sample sizes and try to expose his weaknesses (ie, Jared Stoll's series-winner in game 5 where Schneider cheats off the post on the blocker side). Also, Schneider will be facing tougher opponents on a more regular basis (not saying he was sheltered--he played some huge games last season--but he will be doing a lot more of that than last year surely, if he is the starter).

It's Schneider's job to lose right now, and I don't think he will. But if he does, then it'll be because teams find some of Schneider's weaknesses (possible) which will bring his numbers back to where he should be and/or Schneider tires out (very unlikely as he is a very well-conditioned athlete).

I do worry slightly about Schneider because he isn't 100% proven and that our window to win with the current core is small now. But he has shown that he is capable and was better than Luongo in a smaller sample--and to become proven, you gotta start somewhere. If he proves to continue to be better with a larger sample, then I'm all for it. It would be sad to see Luongo leave though.


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Posted 25 August 2012 - 07:57 PM

As a huge Luongo fan, I hope that would be the case and that we stick with Luongo and trade Cory. But looking at it right now, it seems highly unlikely that will happen.

Luongo is a proven commodity, while Schneider is not. That's the only thing Luongo has going for himself at this moment. When Cory comes out as the starter and strings together games, teams will obviously scout him more heavily with larger sample sizes and try to expose his weaknesses (ie, Jared Stoll's series-winner in game 5 where Schneider cheats off the post on the blocker side). Also, Schneider will be facing tougher opponents on a more regular basis (not saying he was sheltered--he played some huge games last season--but he will be doing a lot more of that than last year surely, if he is the starter).

It's Schneider's job to lose right now, and I don't think he will. But if he does, then it'll be because teams find some of Schneider's weaknesses (possible) which will bring his numbers back to where he should be and/or Schneider tires out (very unlikely as he is a very well-conditioned athlete).

I do worry slightly about Schneider because he isn't 100% proven and that our window to win with the current core is small now. But he has shown that he is capable and was better than Luongo in a smaller sample--and to become proven, you gotta start somewhere. If he proves to continue to be better with a larger sample, then I'm all for it. It would be sad to see Luongo leave though.

Just to clarify Stolls goal. He was a right hand shot who scored in the top left corner. If he had been a left hand shot, yes, there was a ton of room but for a right hand shot, the puck is about 4 feet outside the line that Stoll's eyes could see. It was pretty much a perfect shot to beat Scneids as it did . Looking at the amount of room from ice level from behind the puck is a very different view that we all saw on TV. I would have preferred he offered more room on glove side but thats not how it happened. It just wasn;t as glaring as people made it out to be. In general however, he plays his angles much etter than Lou because he gets there quicker.
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Posted 26 August 2012 - 12:17 AM

Luongo will win his starting job back with the Canucks this year. F the haters.


Then lose it in the playoffs
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Posted 26 August 2012 - 08:43 AM

As a huge Luongo fan, I hope that would be the case and that we stick with Luongo and trade Cory. But looking at it right now, it seems highly unlikely that will happen.

Luongo is a proven commodity, while Schneider is not. That's the only thing Luongo has going for himself at this moment. When Cory comes out as the starter and strings together games, teams will obviously scout him more heavily with larger sample sizes and try to expose his weaknesses (ie, Jared Stoll's series-winner in game 5 where Schneider cheats off the post on the blocker side). Also, Schneider will be facing tougher opponents on a more regular basis (not saying he was sheltered--he played some huge games last season--but he will be doing a lot more of that than last year surely, if he is the starter).

It's Schneider's job to lose right now, and I don't think he will. But if he does, then it'll be because teams find some of Schneider's weaknesses (possible) which will bring his numbers back to where he should be and/or Schneider tires out (very unlikely as he is a very well-conditioned athlete).

I do worry slightly about Schneider because he isn't 100% proven and that our window to win with the current core is small now. But he has shown that he is capable and was better than Luongo in a smaller sample--and to become proven, you gotta start somewhere. If he proves to continue to be better with a larger sample, then I'm all for it. It would be sad to see Luongo leave though.

It does take a leap of faith to move Lu over Schneider. I support such a move because it makes the Canucks younger, unloads a big contract but more than anything it should give the Canucks some quality talent in return. It is all about weighing the options. One might argue that CS would return more but even if it amounted to the equivalent of one more 1st rounder would it be worth it?
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Posted 26 August 2012 - 12:07 PM

Then lose it in the playoffs


I guess you are one of the people I was talking about? I also suppose you understand my response to you?

Moving along, I hope we start with the tandem rather than giving Doan 6 million? Let's let the season (if there is a season) play out a bit and not give away Vancouver's best goalie of all time for a couple picks a year after he took up to game 7 of the SCF's? FFS...

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 12:21 PM

It does take a leap of faith to move Lu over Schneider. I support such a move because it makes the Canucks younger, unloads a big contract but more than anything it should give the Canucks some quality talent in return. It is all about weighing the options. One might argue that CS would return more but even if it amounted to the equivalent of one more 1st rounder would it be worth it?


Considering the fact that Schneider has no trade restrictions included in his contract, as well as the latter being perfectly structured.

Considering the fact that Schneider could be dealt to any team, including a non-playoff team,

Considering the fact that the returns could include and not necessarily singularly a top 5-10 1st round pick,

Then yes, it could be worth it.

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