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#151 canucksnihilist

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 05:42 PM

Agreed. Gaunce and Jensen are looking like good picks. Doan would be the icing on the cake to a good offseason.Garrison was a very good pickup. (I saw him biking in Stanley Park today and he is a big man).
I'm hoping on a package with Lu for some young blue chip talent.


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Some good prospects who could play in next few years.

Sedins are good for 5... Is a longer window than otherwise thought - hoping!!!
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Posted 25 July 2012 - 07:33 PM

Stephen Weiss 2007-08 Florida Panthers NHL 74 13 29 42 40 14 -- -- -- -- -- 2008-09 Florida Panthers NHL 78 14 47 61 22 19 -- -- -- -- -- 2009-10 Florida Panthers NHL 80 28 32 60 40 -7 -- -- -- -- -- 2010-11 Florida Panthers NHL 76 21 28 49 49 -9 -- -- -- -- -- 2011-12 Florida Panthers NHL 80 20 37 57 60 5 7 3 2 5 6

If canucks can pry him from Florida, Canucks could possibly be over the top. Regardless if MG could find a way to sign Doan. I have seen Weiss play for a couple of years. He is extremely hard working, Plus for his first time in the playoffs he really preformed well.

Im thinking : Luongo + 2nd Round for Weiss + Theodore

I put Weiss on a second line wing basically because I feel that him a Kesler together could defiently be deadly, and plus having his former line mate Booth on the other would provide fire-power. Due to Keslers injury, he could be the fill in for him for the first couple of months till Kesler returns, then moving him (Weiss) to the wing. Lappy is totally underrated and I feel he could be strong and full of speed on the 3rd line with Hansen and Raymond. Higgins is one of my favourite players so demoting him to the fourth is questionable, even for me. but he has way more toughness then Raymond so he seems to be a better fit. Plus according to Capgeek it leaves 3 million left in cap which we can spend on resigning Edler for a couple more years.
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My Custom Lineup
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Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Alexandre Burrows ($2.000m)
David Booth ($4.250m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / Stephen Weiss ($3.100m)
Mason Raymond ($2.275m) / Maxim Lapierre ($1.000m) / Jannik Hansen ($1.350m)
Chris Higgins ($1.900m) / Manny Malhotra ($2.500m) / Zack Kassian ($0.870m)
Aaron Volpatti ($0.600m) / Andrew Ebbett ($0.600m) / Dale Weise ($0.615m)
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Alexander Edler ($3.250m) / Jason Garrison ($4.600m)
Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m) / Kevin Bieksa ($4.600m)
Keith Ballard ($4.200m) / Andrew Alberts ($1.225m)
Chris Tanev ($0.900m) /
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Cory Schneider ($4.000m)
Jose Theodore ($1.500m)
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SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $67,035,000; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (24-man roster): $3,165,000

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 07:41 PM

Was he wearing a helmet?

Hmm, I think so, can't quite remember. You see him too? I remember as Garrison was approaching thinking that he was massive, he's still got the beard..

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 08:28 PM

THIS IS STUPID HAVING TWO THREADS, JUST MERGE THEM INTO ONE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD
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Posted 25 July 2012 - 08:31 PM

THIS IS STUPID HAVING TWO THREADS, JUST MERGE THEM INTO ONE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD

Stop being a crybaby and stay on topic

Personally, I could see Luongo staying until the deadline. Expensive backup but if offers aren't good enough...
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Posted 25 July 2012 - 08:47 PM

In the other thread, it was rumoured that FLA just offered Matthias and a 2013 1st for Lu. I personally feel this is an underpayment.

If they added a second, I would be tempted.
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Posted 25 July 2012 - 08:56 PM

In the other thread, it was rumoured that FLA just offered Matthias and a 2013 1st for Lu. I personally feel this is an underpayment.

If they added a second, I would be tempted.


I think that's close at this point- maybe like u said a 2nd or prospect
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Posted 25 July 2012 - 09:06 PM

They gotta offer up at least one of their top prospects.

Howden, Bjugstad, or Petrovic are closer to helping this team than a 1st round pick.
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Posted 25 July 2012 - 10:00 PM

In the other thread, it was rumoured that FLA just offered Matthias and a 2013 1st for Lu. I personally feel this is an underpayment.

If they added a second, I would be tempted.


I wouldn't mind that deal if they add Petrovic to it, but that source is more of the same.

Edited by oldnews, 26 July 2012 - 12:17 AM.

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 10:04 PM

I think that's close at this point- maybe like u said a 2nd or prospect


Are you high? luongo for a 3rd line B grade player and probably a 25-27 draft pick since florida could easily win their division again.

Thankfully Gillis is our GM, I think at minimum we should get matthias + upper middle grade prospect + 1st
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Posted 25 July 2012 - 10:13 PM

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 10:45 PM

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 11:14 PM

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 06:32 AM

Are you high? luongo for a 3rd line B grade player and probably a 25-27 draft pick since florida could easily win their division again.

Thankfully Gillis is our GM, I think at minimum we should get matthias + upper middle grade prospect + 1st


Haha, are u high? That's the same thing I said
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 07:47 AM

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 07:58 AM

Sorry but I lack confidence in what the Canucks have achieved to date. Garrison is the only addition to date. Suggesting a 1st round draft will impact the team this fall is a stretch. Jensen would be a stretch. Signing Doan would be a big deal but not enough to make the Canucks serious CUP contenders considering the upgrading around the league. Gillis has to sign Doan and he has to trade Lou for a 2nd line winger who can impact that line into consistancy. Adding some toughness in the bottom six can be done before the season but the two deals above are a must.

I find it interesting that Doan's tour of potential teams ends in BC. Great place for an annoucement in Kamloops.
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 08:04 AM

Burke doesn't know squat. Overrated IMHO. He left the cupboard bare during time in van... Doing the same in TO.

Anaheim: previous gm did all the work by sucking for so long... anyone can trade for Pronger when u have all those assets to give up. Neidermeyer only cause his brother was there....

Now... Does he know a winner? Yes. Can he gauge talent? No

The leafs need to really rebuild, not through FA and trades, but by drafting. As u say rightly... He doesn't handle assets well. 100% agree. He cannot draft to save his life.

For him givIng up those 2 first picks was probably a relief - cause he would have blown it if he had to pick...


Personally, I think Burke is a great GM at getting things done. He's just not the most knowledgable person out there. It would greatly benefit Burke, and the Maple Leafs for that matter, if they brought in a assistant GM that was a great talent evaluator.

It probably wouldn't matter, since Burke is way to proud to listen to anyone else. And that's why Nonis follows him around everywhere. Thinks like Burke (probably better), and is more of a yes man.
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 08:15 AM

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Sorry but I lack confidence in what the Canucks have achieved to date. Garrison is the only addition to date. Suggesting a 1st round draft will impact the team this fall is a stretch. Jensen would be a stretch. Signing Doan would be a big deal but not enough to make the Canucks serious CUP contenders considering the upgrading around the league. Gillis has to sign Doan and he has to trade Lou for a 2nd line winger who can impact that line into consistancy. Adding some toughness in the bottom six can be done before the season but the two deals above are a must.

I find it interesting that Doan's tour of potential teams ends in BC. Great place for an annoucement in Kamloops.


What teams have really upgraded that much?
Minny? They're probably still closer to pretender than contender.
Detroit lost Lindstrom and Stuart, and haven't added anyone.
Pheonix lost Whitney and could lose Doan.
Nashville lost Suter.
LA hasn't done anyhting.
St. Louis re-signed a bunch of their guys, but didn't add anything
San Jose hasn't done anything.
Chicago hasn't done anything

Ottawa? Traded away Foligno. Lost Kuba.
Philly made headlines with Weber offer, but they still lost Carle, Jagr, and JVR and only add Schenn.
NYR added Nash. They will be good. Probably one of the top contenders.
Pittsburgh? Lost Michalek and Staal.
Washington? New Coach. Lost Semin.
Boston? Lost Thomas.
New Jersey? Lost Parise
Florida? Added some pieces but will still be fringe playoff team.


Those are just the playoff teams. Which means, some non contenders got a little better.
We are the reigning Presidents Trophy winners, and we added Garrison.

Nuff said.

Edited by Sweatt_GLaNDs, 26 July 2012 - 08:17 AM.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 08:28 AM

Sorry but I lack confidence in what the Canucks have achieved to date. Garrison is the only addition to date. Suggesting a 1st round draft will impact the team this fall is a stretch. Jensen would be a stretch. Signing Doan would be a big deal but not enough to make the Canucks serious CUP contenders considering the upgrading around the league. Gillis has to sign Doan and he has to trade Lou for a 2nd line winger who can impact that line into consistancy. Adding some toughness in the bottom six can be done before the season but the two deals above are a must.

I find it interesting that Doan's tour of potential teams ends in BC. Great place for an annoucement in Kamloops.


What teams have gotten better? I've seen a lot of downgrading. Minny got a little better, still not to the level of Canucks, and NYR getting Nash improves them a bit. That's about it.

edit: Yeah, what Sweatglands said just above me ;)

Edited by arsenalian, 26 July 2012 - 08:29 AM.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 10:00 AM

Sorry but I lack confidence in what the Canucks have achieved to date. Garrison is the only addition to date. Suggesting a 1st round draft will impact the team this fall is a stretch. Jensen would be a stretch. Signing Doan would be a big deal but not enough to make the Canucks serious CUP contenders considering the upgrading around the league. Gillis has to sign Doan and he has to trade Lou for a 2nd line winger who can impact that line into consistancy. Adding some toughness in the bottom six can be done before the season but the two deals above are a must.

I find it interesting that Doan's tour of potential teams ends in BC. Great place for an annoucement in Kamloops.


Sorry but I disagree - Garrison was the most important position to fill, and if the Canucks were to sign Doan, he is enough for the top six and rounds it out nicely - Daniel, Booth, Burrows and Doan are entirely capable top six wingers imo - not sure who would need to be upgraded upon. In that case, what we need in the short term from the Luongo deal is a big center - preferably young and a two-way player who could move from the 2nd line to the third when Kesler returns. I like Lapierre and Schroeder, but imo a center would be the best addition, and a young right handed blueliner/prospect.
The Canucks have a number of guys improving, and a few of them are on the verge of making the NHL, another thing to consider. Regarding the bottom six it's hard to improve on HIggins and Hansen on the third line, Lapierre centering the fourth - aside from them, the Canucks have Kassian, Volpatti, Weise, Malhotra and Raymond to round out the bottom six, so nothing urgent really, but if they could pry Neil out of Ottawa I'd be ecstatic...

ps. glad the Nash and Weber sagas are over - now we can get to the real news.

Edited by oldnews, 26 July 2012 - 10:12 AM.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 10:36 AM

Sorry but I disagree - Garrison was the most important position to fill, and if the Canucks were to sign Doan, he is enough for the top six and rounds it out nicely - Daniel, Booth, Burrows and Doan are entirely capable top six wingers imo - not sure who would need to be upgraded upon. In that case, what we need in the short term from the Luongo deal is a big center - preferably young and a two-way player who could move from the 2nd line to the third when Kesler returns. I like Lapierre and Schroeder, but imo a center would be the best addition, and a young right handed blueliner/prospect.
The Canucks have a number of guys improving, and a few of them are on the verge of making the NHL, another thing to consider. Regarding the bottom six it's hard to improve on HIggins and Hansen on the third line, Lapierre centering the fourth - aside from them, the Canucks have Kassian, Volpatti, Weise, Malhotra and Raymond to round out the bottom six, so nothing urgent really, but if they could pry Neil out of Ottawa I'd be ecstatic...

ps. glad the Nash and Weber sagas are over - now we can get to the real news.


To add to your list of bottom 6 guys, I think Pinizotto is going to impress. He was looking really good until his injury. Granted it was just pre-season, but I liked what I was seeing from him.
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 11:03 AM

players from the Panthers I'd like to see us get are
Weiss
Matthias
Upshall
Ellerby
Gudbranson

any two of them to help and if Weiss is added then no pick if not add a first or second rounder!!!!
That would make our D and top 3 lines awesome!!!
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 11:07 AM

players from the Panthers I'd like to see us get are
Weiss
Matthias
Upshall
Ellerby
Gudbranson

any two of them to help and if Weiss is added then no pick if not add a first or second rounder!!!!
That would make our D and top 3 lines awesome!!!

No Huberdeau or Bjustad??
Dream on if you think you are getting two top prospects for Lu.

Edited by sampy, 26 July 2012 - 11:09 AM.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 11:09 AM

We need some help now prospects are a big risk so why bother taking one???
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 11:13 AM

We need some help now prospects are a big risk so why bother taking one???

Because the Canucks have one of the worst prospects ranking in the league.
Because prospects are salary cap friendly and good depth.
Because Canucks don't need another 2nd tier player. They need young, first line potential that they can develop.
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 11:16 AM

I dont think we do, to win a cup we need a bit of help line on D and on second and third lines.If we can sign doan and get Matthias and a big D we are set.getting youth means staying the same as we are and not going for it which with this team we only have a year or two left before most core players will start to slow down!!!!!!I want a cup here and know time is running out so getting young players who may not pan out is not a smart move!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 01:07 PM

Sorry but I lack confidence in what the Canucks have achieved to date. Garrison is the only addition to date. Suggesting a 1st round draft will impact the team this fall is a stretch. Jensen would be a stretch. Signing Doan would be a big deal but not enough to make the Canucks serious CUP contenders considering the upgrading around the league. Gillis has to sign Doan and he has to trade Lou for a 2nd line winger who can impact that line into consistancy. Adding some toughness in the bottom six can be done before the season but the two deals above are a must.

I find it interesting that Doan's tour of potential teams ends in BC. Great place for an annoucement in Kamloops.


Jason Garrison is this Summer's best bargain deal. What the hell! look at whats out there next summer for defencemens. Nothin much! I think Jason Garrison last year is as good as someone like Paul Martin. Also look at the other defencemens that weres signed this summer, this Garrison deal is a steal. Mike Gillis continues to find players who play for discounts.
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 01:37 PM

Jason Garrison is this Summer's best bargain deal. What the hell! look at whats out there next summer for defencemens. Nothin much! I think Jason Garrison last year is as good as someone like Paul Martin. Also look at the other defencemens that weres signed this summer, this Garrison deal is a steal. Mike Gillis continues to find players who play for discounts.


Let's not assume the sky is falling and go comparing Garrison to Martin just yet
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 02:41 PM

I don`t disagree with the fact that most teams are either unchanged or have made steps backward. The few notable exceptions are Minny, Carolina, and the NYR.
The thing is that the Canucks don`t have many young players who we should expect to be taking a step forward this year (again, with a couple of obvious exceptions). The core guys are all either in their prime or just leaving it. That`s as opposed to teams like Edmonton. I don`t know that the window is closed on the core but somewhere along the line the Canucks will have to start grooming the future.
I think most of the anxiety people are having about the Luongo situation is due to the fact that everyone has been told he will/must be traded. The feeling that if you aren't moving forward then you are moving backward is only heightened by this since there is a belief that the resolution to the Luongo situation should be inevitable and should have some kind of an impact on the team's makeup.
The vibe I have gotten from all the offseason soundbites is that Luongo will not be a Canuck when the season starts. I think Gillis is playing some hardball and he is in no rush to make a bad trade, but I also think that privately the organization has decided that they will not be bringing both goaltenders to camp. That being said, anything can happen if the pieces don't come together.
People should be excited, not anxious. A Luongo trade is not necessary for the team to be competitive next year. However, such a trade will only improve that competitiveness.
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 03:53 PM

Weiss in untouchable unless Kesler is going back, they only have him for a centre. Goc is their next best. MARCEL GOC.
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