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#2041 Riviera82

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 09:00 AM

we didn't do much better with Schneider in net against the Kings. Offense is our problem in the playoffs not defense or goaltending. Schneider 1.33 GAA and we still lose 2 of 3 games what does that tell you


I mentioned earlier that we have only had trouble scoring in our last two playoff series, which for the most part is true. To say however that goaltending hasn't been a problem? Well that's just asinine.
Very few people on this forum seem to recall Luongo getting blasted for three straight years by Chicago, not being particularly good against LA in 2010, the four games against Boston, and his not so elite performance this past playoff.
It is true, we have not scored enough. The real question now is how much offense should we expect? When Luongo was imploding were we supposed to score 6 to 9 goals a game? It's the playoffs! The games are supposed to be lower scoring than the regular season. Goaltending was not a problem in the least when Schneider took over, he gave us every opportunity to win. The "we dont score enough" excuse really only works in his situation. The games he played were kept as close as possible, and we didn't score enough.

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 09:53 AM

I think most people agree with this point. Schneider is the way to go because he is better, younger and cheaper.

Where it gets confusing is that guys like oldnews still think that Luongo will bring back a blockbuster package. He's been replaced on his own team (that has only had one season past the second round in this current era) but he's still one of the best in the legue?

Bob MacKenzie said waaaaay back in June there was not much trade market for Luongo and he was savaged on here. He was also right!


feel free to speak for yourself - or find the post where I suggested the Canucks are getting a "blockbuster" package - that is simply bulsh!t. A real trend in this thread to put words in other people's mouths.
I've taken issue with the claim that Gillis is fighting for "table scraps" - note: that is a direct quote.
If you call what I have proposed "blockbuster" (I doubt you have any idea what I've actually proposed) - then you, like KoES, have a real flair for embellishment and misrepresentation.

Edited by oldnews, 16 September 2012 - 10:04 AM.


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Posted 16 September 2012 - 09:59 AM

But he also played less games, which is an important distinction. Schneider started only 33 games last season, which means he gets more rest, more recovery, more time to prepare, and, typically, an easier opponent by default as the backup.

It'll be a big adjustment for CS, going from backup to starter. Far more pressure, far more expectations, far more work. IMO, with this team where it is now, going with a first-time starter is not a smart move, adding to the logic of trading Schneider to begin with.


Almost every elite starter has better numbers than their backup.
If you include Lu, here is a list of my top 10 if goalies last year who played the same amount or more games than Lu,(55)using gaa.

lundqvist 1.97 biron 2.46
quick 1.95 bernier 2.36
.rinne 2.39 lindback 2.42
smith 2.21 labarbera2.54
fleury 2.36 johnson 3.11
kipper 2.35 karlsson 3,17
price 2.43 budja 2.55
lehtonen 2.33 bachman 2.77
ward 2.74 boucher 3.41
luongo 2.41schneider 1.96

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 10:00 AM

I think Luongo has come as close to publicly asking for a trade as possible without saying the words.

If my wife is in the kitchen making sandwiches, and I tell her how much I like mayo on my sandwich, and that I am hungry and haven't eaten all day, she understands that I want her to make me a sandwich even if I don't say the words "Make me a sandwich, wife!"

I doubt the other 29 GM's in the league have thought to themselves,"Hmmmmmm... We'd like to acquire Roberto Luongo, but we're just not sure he wants to leave Vancouver."

I have no discontent towards Lu or Gillis or anyone involved in the situation, but I don't see how he hasn't advertized his position to the point that he may as well have just said the words.

I am kind of tired of flogging this poor horse, because it really doesn't make a difference, and I'm especially tired of somehow agreeing with KofES.

K, can you go back to your Lu and Gillis conspiring to raise Schneider's value conspiracy theory, because that was a good time for me.

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 10:26 AM

I don't agree. Luongo's the one who's proven as a starter. He's been very, very good for us over the vast majority of his 6 years. He's signed long-term to a reasonable cap hit. He's a veteran. And his value's low, rendering it not logical to move him.


Sounds like some flip flopping.
What is a "proven starter" KoES? I thought you could interchange the best and worst without much difference - doesn't it all depend on the team's defensive system? You're contradicting yourself again - Luongo now has a positive contract according to you - signed long term, reasonable cap hit - proven consistency - careful, you were starting to make some sense until you try to revert to table scrap value regardless...

You really should pay less attention to what the Eastern media/Toronto lobby says. If you buy their posturing that they don't really want or need Luongo, I think you would get taken in many poker games, unable to call a bluff. They wanted Hodgson too - but lowballed (yes, Schenn was a lowball then as well) and then complained when he went to Buffalo, that their over-rated prospect didn't get the deal done. They did the whole 'we had a better offer on the table' thing for their fans appeasement, but really, that's their m.o.

Burke is in the same position he was in here - he could not secure a legitimate starter - it took Nonis to do that. Interestingly, Nonis went public before the trade deadline that TO is looking for a legitimate veteran starter. The number of those on the market is far fewer (approximately 1) than your list of teams that might be interested in Luongo. If you look outside the kind of seige mentality here, there are clearly equalizing factors, which simply do not reduce Luongo to table scraps.

Schneider wasn't traded at the deadline. Time to accept that.
And you're crying over milk that hasn't even been spilled. Perhaps you might postpone that until you have an actual idea what the return for Luongo is. Patience.

Edited by oldnews, 16 September 2012 - 10:30 AM.


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Posted 16 September 2012 - 10:47 AM

we didn't do much better with Schneider in net against the Kings. Offense is our problem in the playoffs not defense or goaltending. Schneider 1.33 GAA and we still lose 2 of 3 games what does that tell you

And if Lou had posted a GAA of 1.33 in his two games we would have won both...not giving up 7 goals. We would have been up 2 games, not down 2. People claim Lou was our best player in game one...well. I'll tell you ES....thats not saying much !!

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 11:19 AM

Sounds like some flip flopping.
What is a "proven starter" KoES? I thought you could interchange the best and worst without much difference - doesn't it all depend on the team's defensive system? You're contradicting yourself again - Luongo now has a positive contract according to you - signed long term, reasonable cap hit - proven consistency - careful, you were starting to make some sense until you try to revert to table scrap value regardless...


Actually, given your self-proclaimed high level of reading comprehension, you should have noticed that my best/worst variance example amounted to goalies who started more than 50 games, meaning that Schneider didn't qualify.

And I've never said that Luongo's cap hit is bad. Where did I say that? The contract is bad, because it runs until 2022. The cap hit is pretty good.

Geez, for a guy who gets so hung-up on verbatims ("he doesn't want to leave, he never said it publicly!!"), you're sure putting a lot of false words in my mouth in the above paragraph.

You really should pay less attention to what the Eastern media/Toronto lobby says. If you buy their posturing that they don't really want or need Luongo, I think you would get taken in many poker games, unable to call a bluff.


Well, again, this seems to me like a Vancouver guy who is only aware of what other Vancouver guys and Vancouver media think of Vancouver Canucks. I currently live in Chicago, and over the past 5 years I've also lived in Detroit, New York City, and Calgary; Luongo's reputation is that he is a choker. The reason why people in Toronto are saying what they are about Luongo is that them acquiring him would probably have about a 50% approval rate.

I know that Canuck fans don't like the thought that their team is hated around the league, but they are. Sedin's are the "sisters", Luongo's a choker. It's the truth. To think that Torontonians would unanimously approve is insane.

Edited by King of the ES, 16 September 2012 - 11:20 AM.


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Posted 16 September 2012 - 11:37 AM

I'm sorry if I sound so absolute, but to me his statements clearly indicate his wishes, and the rest of the league isn't stupid. They know what's up. He hasn't refused to play or anything, and he isn't going to be malicious to the team, but given the circumstances he would prefer to move on.

I think this is my main disagreement with your points. I don't believe this is as "absolute" as you do.

You point to all of these hints and suggestions as absolute proof that Luongo wants out, but I would argue that if Gillis received an offer for Schneider that knocked his socks off and pulled the trigger on a trade, Louie would have quite happily stepped back into the starter's role in Vancouver.

You may choose to disagree with that, however, in this case, both of our stances would be based purely on opinion. The statement that Luongo publicly demanded a trade, as EOTM has said, is pure fiction and it appears very obvious to everyone on this board that you and King are tap-dancing around the fact in an effort to save face over being caught out in perpetuating it.

Here's a hint: You were doing fine until to started agreeing with King of ES...
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Posted 16 September 2012 - 11:53 AM

And I've never said that Luongo's cap hit is bad. Where did I say that? The contract is bad, because it runs until 2022. The cap hit is pretty good.

Geez, for a guy who gets so hung-up on verbatims ("he doesn't want to leave, he never said it publicly!!"), you're sure putting a lot of false words in my mouth in the above paragraph.

Well, again, this seems to me like a Vancouver guy who is only aware of what other Vancouver guys and Vancouver media think of Vancouver Canucks. I currently live in Chicago, and over the past 5 years I've also lived in Detroit, New York City, and Calgary; Luongo's reputation is that he is a choker. The reason why people in Toronto are saying what they are about Luongo is that them acquiring him would probably have about a 50% approval rate.

I know that Canuck fans don't like the thought that their team is hated around the league, but they are. Sedin's are the "sisters", Luongo's a choker. It's the truth. To think that Torontonians would unanimously approve is insane.


Haha. Put words in your mouth? I didn't even mention Schneider in that paragraph you quote. Sad little attempt of a 'reversal'. Out to lunch.
Flip flop. "Luongo's the one who's proven as a starter. He's been very, very good for us over the vast majority of his 6 years. He's signed long-term to a reasonable cap hit" - ironically, you got caught up in a sales kick to keep Luongo - and now you're back to the contract is bad. Your stories are riddled with contradictions, and you're missing the cap circumvention part; his contract isn't really until 2022.

Ironically, you are involved in so many arguments that you are unable to remember who you are arguing with and what about.
You have once again put words in my mouth -" for a guy who gets so hung-up on verbatims ("he doesn't want to leave, he never said it publicly!!")... I've never said anything resembling Luongo doesn't want to leave. You are clearly confused. I don't know what Luongo truly wants and I'm not pretending to speak for him. That is your game. That argument isn't particularly important to me. Regarding that argument, that you are having with others - it is very simple - RUPERTKBD is correct - you put words in Luongo's mouth and he's correct in pointing out that you have misrepresented what has been said. I'm not whining about any reduced return, and I'm not complaining about whether or not he requested a trade. I wrote a blog months and months ago suggesting that Florida is probably the best trade partner. You can't keep your arguments straight. I'm also not whining that Schneider wasn't traded. I prefer that the Canucks retain Schneider. That should be evidently clear by now.

The same goes for the rest of that drivel. Buzzing off on tangents about what people think about the Sedins, etc. Who cares? What is laughable is that you would use Milbury ignorance to prop up your own. Wow - you've been around - hail to your worldliness. Never heard any of that stuff here in backwoods BC -I'm too busy reading the Province haha. A straw argument with a fantasy person in your imagination about unanimity amongst Torontonians? You are hysterical. A 'discussion' with you really is a waste of time.

Edited by oldnews, 16 September 2012 - 12:25 PM.


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Posted 16 September 2012 - 12:05 PM

Actually, given your self-proclaimed high level of reading comprehension, you should have noticed that my best/worst variance example amounted to goalies who started more than 50 games, meaning that Schneider didn't qualify.

And I've never said that Luongo's cap hit is bad. Where did I say that? The contract is bad, because it runs until 2022. The cap hit is pretty good.

Geez, for a guy who gets so hung-up on verbatims ("he doesn't want to leave, he never said it publicly!!"), you're sure putting a lot of false words in my mouth in the above paragraph.



Well, again, this seems to me like a Vancouver guy who is only aware of what other Vancouver guys and Vancouver media think of Vancouver Canucks. I currently live in Chicago, and over the past 5 years I've also lived in Detroit, New York City, and Calgary; Luongo's reputation is that he is a choker. The reason why people in Toronto are saying what they are about Luongo is that them acquiring him would probably have about a 50% approval rate.

I know that Canuck fans don't like the thought that their team is hated around the league, but they are. Sedin's are the "sisters", Luongo's a choker. It's the truth. To think that Torontonians would unanimously approve is insane.



"Sisters"

My favourite all time verbal assault by idiots posing as knowledgeable hockey fans/broadcasters.

Btw, how does this statement matter in this discussion?

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 12:42 PM

Well...no season yet, no Luongo trade YET, pointless arguing with ES, cuz he doesn't get, won;t get cuz he can't get it...so...time to take a hiatus, weathers good, golf courses in great shape and I can work with AAA goalies who DO get it :) see ya soon

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 12:54 PM

Well...no season yet, no Luongo trade YET, pointless arguing with ES, cuz he doesn't get, won;t get cuz he can't get it...so...time to take a hiatus, weathers good, golf courses in great shape and I can work with AAA goalies who DO get it :) see ya soon


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Posted 16 September 2012 - 01:08 PM

I mentioned earlier that we have only had trouble scoring in our last two playoff series, which for the most part is true. To say however that goaltending hasn't been a problem? Well that's just asinine.
Very few people on this forum seem to recall Luongo getting blasted for three straight years by Chicago, not being particularly good against LA in 2010, the four games against Boston, and his not so elite performance this past playoff.
It is true, we have not scored enough. The real question now is how much offense should we expect? When Luongo was imploding were we supposed to score 6 to 9 goals a game? It's the playoffs! The games are supposed to be lower scoring than the regular season. Goaltending was not a problem in the least when Schneider took over, he gave us every opportunity to win. The "we dont score enough" excuse really only works in his situation. The games he played were kept as close as possible, and we didn't score enough.


I say it wasn't the problem because even if Luongo had averaged 2 goals against a game we still would have lost. If a goalie holding the opposition to 2 goals a game is not good enough to win then your offense is lacking big time

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 01:26 PM

I think this is my main disagreement with your points. I don't believe this is as "absolute" as you do.

You point to all of these hints and suggestions as absolute proof that Luongo wants out, but I would argue that if Gillis received an offer for Schneider that knocked his socks off and pulled the trigger on a trade, Louie would have quite happily stepped back into the starter's role in Vancouver.

You may choose to disagree with that, however, in this case, both of our stances would be based purely on opinion. The statement that Luongo publicly demanded a trade, as EOTM has said, is pure fiction and it appears very obvious to everyone on this board that you and King are tap-dancing around the fact in an effort to save face over being caught out in perpetuating it.

Here's a hint: You were doing fine until to started agreeing with King of ES...

Then our points don't oppose.

He has said that he doesn't want to be in the situation that it appears he would be in if he were to stay, which is the only reason he wants out. His comments also lead me to believe that he would be happy to stay if he were the guy.

And really, somehow agreeing with KoES was never part of the plan, haha. I've been arguing with him for most of this thread.

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 02:24 PM

Then our points don't oppose.

He has said that he doesn't want to be in the situation that it appears he would be in if he were to stay, which is the only reason he wants out. His comments also lead me to believe that he would be happy to stay if he were the guy.

And really, somehow agreeing with KoES was never part of the plan, haha. I've been arguing with him for most of this thread.


Well if that's your point than you have nothing to worry about because you and KofES never really agreed. KofES has stated that Gillis is being spanked by Luongo and Luongo is publicly out there demanding/requesting a trade and that it's all Gillis fault.

There is a world of difference I think between what you're saying here now and claiming that there is a rift between Gillis and Luongo and that Luongo is embarrassing Gillis but publicly going out and requesting to be traded from the Canucks.


Here... http://forum.canucks...h/page__st__180 The fun starts around post #93 imo. Post 181 is pretty telling of what KofES conclusion first assumption to fit the conclusion strategy is as well as a pretty clear implication that KofES wants the Canucks to fail.

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 02:27 PM

Almost every elite starter has better numbers than their backup.
If you include Lu, here is a list of my top 10 if goalies last year who played the same amount or more games than Lu,(55)using gaa.

lundqvist 1.97 biron 2.46
quick 1.95 bernier 2.36
.rinne 2.39 lindback 2.42
smith 2.21 labarbera2.54
fleury 2.36 johnson 3.11
kipper 2.35 karlsson 3,17
price 2.43 budja 2.55
lehtonen 2.33 bachman 2.77
ward 2.74 boucher 3.41
luongo 2.41schneider 1.96


and if schneider was backing up the "elite " goaltenders - he'd be better than majority of them... pointless dude.

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 02:54 PM

and if schneider was backing up the "elite " goaltenders - he'd be better than majority of them... pointless dude.

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Point was made by King of the BS that Schneiders numbers were better because he played less games, but every other elite goalie outplayed their backup, and generally by quite a margin.

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 03:02 PM

Haha. Put words in your mouth? I didn't even mention Schneider in that paragraph you quote. Sad little attempt of a 'reversal'. Out to lunch.
Flip flop. "Luongo's the one who's proven as a starter. He's been very, very good for us over the vast majority of his 6 years. He's signed long-term to a reasonable cap hit" - ironically, you got caught up in a sales kick to keep Luongo - and now you're back to the contract is bad. Your stories are riddled with contradictions, and you're missing the cap circumvention part; his contract isn't really until 2022.


Haha, you and your verbatims again. You were clearly alluding to Cory Schneider with my "variance between best and worst" comment. But, I digress, you didn't say "Cory Schneider" verbatim, so there's no clear evidence that you were talking about him, right? :lol:

The contract is both good and bad. The cap hit is good, the term is not. For a lot of non-rich teams, it is very scary. This shouldn't be that hard to comprehend. No flip-flopping at all. Where have I contradicted the stance that for this veteran-laden, built-to-win-now-with-a-closing-window team, Roberto Luongo is the more logical goaltender than Cory Schneider?

The same goes for the rest of that drivel. Buzzing off on tangents about what people think about the Sedins, etc. Who cares?


It's relevant because you're calling Luke Schenn a "lowball offer", which indicates to me that you're totally out to lunch, and that you're completely blind by your extreme homerism. Luke Schenn's a 23 year-old, past 5th overall pick, who's been in the league for 4 seasons. He's pretty good, and there's a lot of potential there. And if he's a "lowball", it would logically follow that you would call JVR a "lowball". So what's fair value for Lou, in your opinion, given the context of this deal? You say that Florida is where he should go; OK, for who? Based on what you're calling a "lowball", I would have to expect some sort of package involving Huberdeau, which is nuts. And I know that you said you spoke about this before, but I have no interest in sifting through 70 pages of posts to find what you wrote, so just share with us again.

Edited by King of the ES, 16 September 2012 - 03:10 PM.


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Posted 16 September 2012 - 03:08 PM

Here... http://forum.canucks...h/page__st__180 The fun starts around post #93 imo. Post 181 is pretty telling of what KofES conclusion first assumption to fit the conclusion strategy is as well as a pretty clear implication that KofES wants the Canucks to fail.


Total crap. I am dealing in reality. Luongo does have all the power in this deal.

Edited by King of the ES, 16 September 2012 - 03:12 PM.


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Posted 16 September 2012 - 03:09 PM

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 03:32 PM

Total crap. I am dealing in reality. Luongo does have all the power in this deal.


Not total crap and proven when you say you can't wait to see the canucks get a paltry return for Luongo. You're literally saying you can't wait for the canucks to get garbage for Luongo.

Surely if you can make the leap in logic that Luongo has publicly stated he wants a trade out of Vancouver even though that hasn't happened you can justify the rational leap that saying you want the canucks to get garbage for Luongo = you want the Canucks to do poorly.

What's next? Do you want to bring up Hodgson again? Where do we go to avoid this one Tom?

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 04:17 PM

Well if that's your point than you have nothing to worry about because you and KofES never really agreed. KofES has stated that Gillis is being spanked by Luongo and Luongo is publicly out there demanding/requesting a trade and that it's all Gillis fault.

There is a world of difference I think between what you're saying here now and claiming that there is a rift between Gillis and Luongo and that Luongo is embarrassing Gillis but publicly going out and requesting to be traded from the Canucks.


Here... http://forum.canucks...h/page__st__180 The fun starts around post #93 imo. Post 181 is pretty telling of what KofES conclusion first assumption to fit the conclusion strategy is as well as a pretty clear implication that KofES wants the Canucks to fail.

Phew... That was a close one.

and if schneider was backing up the "elite " goaltenders - he'd be better than majority of them... pointless dude.

So are you saying that he is elite, and deserves to be a starter?

I thought the comparisons were great.

It's pretty obvious that he was the best backup in the NHL last season. Rask was good too.

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 05:48 PM

Once the season starts and florida starts losing and realising it was just a fluke season last year, they'll come calling the canucks with an offer Gillis will like.

Also, Toronto will start losing as usual and Burkie will start feeling the heat from the fans/ownership. He'll cave in as well if he doesn't want to get fired.

Most Eastern teams looks stronger this upcoming season. And I got Washington winning back their division.

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 06:35 PM

Once the season starts and florida starts losing and realising it was just a fluke season last year, they'll come calling the canucks with an offer Gillis will like.

Also, Toronto will start losing as usual and Burkie will start feeling the heat from the fans/ownership. He'll cave in as well if he doesn't want to get fired.

Most Eastern teams looks stronger this upcoming season. And I got Washington winning back their division.


If teams start losing games to the lockout (avg 14 per month), GM's will be facing enormous pressure in a shortened season.

Over a larger sample size (82 games), teams can afford to have ebs and flows while still making the playoffs. Over 82 games, the contenders can be weened out from the pretenders.

But, over a smaller sample size like 45 games - anything is possible. A team like the Islanders could go on a hot streak and make the playoffs. Last yr, the Minnesotta Wild were the top team in the league after 45 or so games. After 20 or so games, the Bruins/Canucks were at the bottom of the league. It will be the wild west/east during a shortened season.

Teams who need to make the playoffs cause of market pressure or $$ reasons, are going to be desperate. GM's will likely be armed with more $$ from CBA, and be lining up available commodities like Luongo. I think a lot of teams will be showing up at Gillis's doorstep.

Edited by RunningWild, 16 September 2012 - 06:40 PM.


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Posted 16 September 2012 - 06:35 PM

I say it wasn't the problem because even if Luongo had averaged 2 goals against a game we still would have lost. If a goalie holding the opposition to 2 goals a game is not good enough to win then your offense is lacking big time


True enough. Sometimes though your goalie has got to average less than 2 per game, in the playoffs especially. Most Cup winning goalies have a GAA under 2.

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 06:53 PM

If teams start losing games to the lockout (avg 14 per month), GM's will be facing enormous pressure in a shortened season.

Over a larger sample size (82 games), teams can afford to have ebs and flows while still making the playoffs. Over 82 games, the contenders can be weened out from the pretenders.

But, over a smaller sample size like 45 games - anything is possible. A team like the Islanders could go on a hot streak and make the playoffs. Last yr, the Minnesotta Wild were the top team in the league after 45 or so games. After 20 or so games, the Bruins/Canucks were at the bottom of the league. It will be the wild west/east during a shortened season.

Teams who need to make the playoffs cause of market pressure or $$ reasons, are going to be desperate. GM's will likely be armed with more $$ from CBA, and be lining up available commodities like Luongo. I think a lot of teams will be showing up at Gillis's doorstep.


A shortened season changes everything, but where you think it makes him more tradable and valuabe, I feel he is more of a risk in a shortened season. Lu will have a longer than usual layoff and normally doesn't hit top form for a couple months or until december. If Lu was to struggle for 2 months that will be 1/2 the season if they start sometime in december.

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 07:12 PM

A shortened season changes everything, but where you think it makes him more tradable and valuabe, I feel he is more of a risk in a shortened season. Lu will have a longer than usual layoff and normally doesn't hit top form for a couple months or until december. If Lu was to struggle for 2 months that will be 1/2 the season if they start sometime in december.


That's a good point about a potential slow start for Lu. But there are ways to mitigate that risk, like playing Lu sparsely so that never becomes a concern. Or trading him at the beginning of the season.

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 04:13 AM

A shortened season changes everything, but where you think it makes him more tradable and valuabe, I feel he is more of a risk in a shortened season. Lu will have a longer than usual layoff and normally doesn't hit top form for a couple months or until december. If Lu was to struggle for 2 months that will be 1/2 the season if they start sometime in december.


Let's not forget that he's the backup, and will probably only play every 4th or 5th game, if he's actually not traded if/when the season starts.

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 09:32 AM

Let's not forget that he's the backup, and will probably only play every 4th or 5th game, if he's actually not traded if/when the season starts.


It is very difficult for any goalie to play well when playing only every 4th or 5th game. Every commentater talks about needing game action to get the feel for the puck and to get into a rhythym.
Hoping Lu at this stage of his career can be well enough prepared to get the odd game here and there is wishful thinking.

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 11:42 AM

It is very difficult for any goalie to play well when playing only every 4th or 5th game. Every commentater talks about needing game action to get the feel for the puck and to get into a rhythym.
Hoping Lu at this stage of his career can be well enough prepared to get the odd game here and there is wishful thinking.


That's kind of funny. All the Lou lovers/Schneider detractors use this "he only plays now and then" argument to explain why Cory plays so well.




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