[Discussion] Roberto Luongo Trade Thread (Keep all discussion here)

[King of the ES]

Management? Not a chance.

• They made him captain

• Gave him a set for life contract

• Gave him an excellent team to back stop

• Gave him the best backup in the league

Yeah that's really quitting on him.

[King of the ES]

I am glad MG is holding out for a good offer, there will be a couple teams needing a goalie when the season starts.

[King of the ES]

ps. You dodged my question - is there a history of Roberto Luongo's agent lying to the media as you implied?

[smurf47]

HE CONTROLS WHERE HE ENDS UP.

Do you understand what that means? This is no different than Dany Heatley in 2008. If Luongo wants to go to Florida, he's going to Florida. It's that simple. His value is unaffected by any of these remarks. Florida and the rest of the NHL is already well-aware of the position that Mike Gillis is in, which is one of zero bargaining strength, and that'll be reflected in their offers.

[Dragonfruits]

HE CONTROLS WHERE HE ENDS UP.

Do you understand what that means? This is no different than Dany Heatley in 2008. If Luongo wants to go to Florida, he's going to Florida. It's that simple. His value is unaffected by any of these remarks. Florida and the rest of the NHL is already well-aware of the position that Mike Gillis is in, which is one of zero bargaining strength, and that'll be reflected in their offers.

[King of the ES]

As much as you think Luongo controls where he ends up as per NT contract, the pressure on Lou to be a starter, to some degree nulifies his veto. MG can keep him on the bench and play Schneider. A fact I think we can all agree on would not suit Lou.

[Riviera82]

Luongo signed a 12-year deal, was supposed to erase any goaltending concerns of ours for the next decade or so, and then he'd retire. Fine. I didn't like the contract when it happened, mostly because of the term. But there were worse things than not having to worry about your goaltender for that long.

After this event occurred, Cory Schneider should have been moved ASAP. Mike Gillis had 3 years to do this, and it didn't happen. Schneider hung around for too long, got too good, and Gillis' inaction has led us to where we are now. Gillis got greedy. He saw these two elite goaltenders, and wanted to hang on to both of them without disruption. Whoops.

The team made it very clear that Luongo had lost his spot to Schneider, by virtue of Schneider being given the reigns in Game 3 vs. LA and beyond. I'm sure that they had also made it very clear to Luongo in private that they expect Schneider to be the starter on a full-time basis come the 2012-13 season.

So, I ask you again: who quit on who?

[King of the ES]

Management would not have "quit" on Luongo if he hadn't been outplayed by Schneider. Keep the younger, cheaper, stronger player.

Gillis' mistake was not keeping Schneider, it was giving Luongo that idiotic contract after he backed the team into a corner with his comments on HNIC. The comments Luongo made referring to wanting to play where ever he has the best chance to win, basically showing no commitment to the Canucks.

[Riviera82]

Here's what it comes down to: would you rather have Luongo + whatever Schneider would've gotten us in a trade, or would you rather have Schneider + whatever Luongo's going to get us in a trade? Clearly the former, IMO, since if Schneider is presently a better goalie than Luongo (a big "if", don't kid yourself), the variance is miniscule, whereas the variance in the consideration received for trading Schneider after his rookie season in 2011, for example, versus whatever pile of poop we're going to be getting for Luongo over the next few weeks, is massive.

[King of the ES]

I'd take 3 pucks and 2 wooden hockey sticks for Luongo at this point. The guy cant be counted on in the playoffs and that is what he has proven. Even his regular seasons haven't been that spectacular if you look at the stats. The second half of the 06/07 season he was God-like and the 10/11 season he was brilliant as well, aside from that he's been good but nothing to go crazy over.

Cory is entering his prime, has great fundamentals and physical ability, and has no injury history or mental hang-ups. He is the no-brainer pick to be the Canucks #1, no matter what the return mightv'e been for him.

[smurf47]

Here's what it comes down to: would you rather have Luongo + whatever Schneider would've gotten us in a trade, or would you rather have Schneider + whatever Luongo's going to get us in a trade? Clearly the former, IMO, since if Schneider is presently a better goalie than Luongo (a big "if", don't kid yourself), the variance is miniscule, whereas the variance in the consideration received for trading Schneider after his rookie season in 2011, for example, versus whatever pile of poop we're going to be getting for Luongo over the next few weeks, is massive.

[smurf47]

First of all, he's not "entering his prime", he's beginning his career as an NHL starter - and in a very unforgiving environment. He has no injury history or mental hang-up history because, really, he's never really participated in pressure-filled events at the NHL level, short of a couple playoff games this year (in which he went 1 - 2), and Game 6 against Chicago in 2011 (in which he looked very nervous). The problem with having a goalie who's beginning his career is that we're a very veteran-laden team, and we don't have the luxury of allowing Schneider to ease his way into the full-time rigors of an NHL schedule, especially now that our division has improved so significantly.

And as for Luongo, he's basically been top-10 in every relevant stat since he's arrived, he's won two President's Trophy's, he's won a WCF, he's won a gold medal, he's won a Jennings with Schneider, and he owns this team's record books. It seems to me that you're implying that he's overrated, so this list of accomplishments hopefully reminds you of the level of success that he's had since being here. Odds that Schneider goes on to have a more illustrious career as a Canuck than Luongo has are very, very low, IMO.

[sampy]

I'd take 3 pucks and 2 wooden hockey sticks for Luongo at this point. The guy cant be counted on in the playoffs and that is what he has proven.

Even his regular seasons haven't been that spectacular if you look at the stats. The second half of the 06/07 season he was God-like and the 10/11 season he was brilliant as well, aside from that he's been good but nothing to go crazy over.

The goaltender is the most important player on the team. If he cant be counted on to at least be consistent, especially in the postseason, it wont matter what kind of team we put in front of him, he'll still get beaten like a rented muel every single year.

Cory is entering his prime, has great fundamentals and physical ability, and has no injury history or mental hang-ups. He is the no-brainer pick to be the Canucks #1, no matter what the return mightv'e been for him.

[L'Orange]

Luongo signed a 12-year deal, was supposed to erase any goaltending concerns of ours for the next decade or so, and then he'd retire. Fine. I didn't like the contract when it happened, mostly because of the term. But there were worse things than not having to worry about your goaltender for that long.

After this event occurred, Cory Schneider should have been moved ASAP. Mike Gillis had 3 years to do this, and it didn't happen. Schneider hung around for too long, got too good, and Gillis' inaction has led us to where we are now. Gillis got greedy. He saw these two elite goaltenders, and wanted to hang on to both of them without disruption. Whoops.

The team made it very clear that Luongo had lost his spot to Schneider, by virtue of Schneider being given the reigns in Game 3 vs. LA and beyond. I'm sure that they had also made it very clear to Luongo in private that they expect Schneider to be the starter on a full-time basis come the 2012-13 season.

So, I ask you again: who quit on who?

[L'Orange]

HE CONTROLS WHERE HE ENDS UP.

Do you understand what that means? This is no different than Dany Heatley in 2008. If Luongo wants to go to Florida, he's going to Florida. It's that simple. His value is unaffected by any of these remarks. Florida and the rest of the NHL is already well-aware of the position that Mike Gillis is in, which is one of zero bargaining strength, and that'll be reflected in their offers.

[WiDeN]

CDCers, read the quoted text above verrrrry slllooooooooooowwwwly.

This is what it all comes down to. Gillis has NO POWER in this transaction.

[Riviera82]

You were obviously not around for all those dark years in the Vancouver crease. Cloutier, Essensa, Weekes, Auld, Irbe, Snow, Hirsch and Snow were all average or below goaltenders for the Canucks, and that's just the last 20 years.

Lu is a very good goalie. Ungrateful Canuck fans need to check the team history. IMO Schneider is going to be better but Lu is a top 10 goalie.

[King of the ES]

Trading Luongo is going to bring at least one good player or prospect back to Vancouver. Not matter how clouded your judgement is towards Mike Gillis, to deny this fact is just plain silly.

Do you understand?

[riffraff]

Thanks tips.

Your generalizations in regards to this situation are both alarming and somewhat entertaining. "Zero bargaining strength" for an all-star goalie? Please step off your pedestal for a second and mix with us commoners.

The fact that you believe Luongo's worth not being affected by his actions highlights your clear and somewhat staggering fanboyism towards him.

Yes he has stated he would like to go to Florida, to a team that doesn't really need him. He due to the NTC has a say in where he ends up.

That is common knowledge here and is not being contested. The fact that you are bringing it up is merely adding filler to your otherwise unstable argument.

Trading Luongo is going to bring at least one good player or prospect back to Vancouver. Not matter how clouded your judgement is towards Mike Gillis, to deny this fact is just plain silly.

Do you understand?

[RUPERTKBD]

Luongo signed a 12-year deal, was supposed to erase any goaltending concerns of ours for the next decade or so, and then he'd retire. Fine. I didn't like the contract when it happened, mostly because of the term. But there were worse things than not having to worry about your goaltender for that long.

After this event occurred, Cory Schneider should have been moved ASAP. Mike Gillis had 3 years to do this, and it didn't happen. Schneider hung around for too long, got too good, and Gillis' inaction has led us to where we are now. Gillis got greedy. He saw these two elite goaltenders, and wanted to hang on to both of them without disruption. Whoops.