Riviera82, on 31 July 2012 - 12:55 PM, said:
Firstly, I would like to know what the Luongo fans think the definition of "elite" is? According to the dictionary, that aint Luo, not anymore anyways.
Secondly, Luongo is NOT good enough to carry a team into the playoffs on his own. He couldn't do it with Florida even once, he had a pre-meltdown in 2008 and we missed the playoffs. He arguably did it on his own in 2007 when he was in his prime.
Thirdly, you mention that Luongo can do it all alone until the playoffs and then it's up to the rest of the team to "provide the appropriate support to succeed"? In many cases in his career that would include the team needing to score 5-9 goals per game, in the playoffs no less. Good luck with that. You basically summed up what I say about Luongo all the time, he can be great during the season but come the playoffs and the team needs to become a scoring machine.
We are not going to get anyone fantastic in return for Luongo. Let's accept a 2nd rounder or a 1st if we are damn lucky, then enjoy the cap relief.
What is your definition of elite. When would you say Roberto lost his 'elite' status? I take it prior to this last season you deemed Lundqvist an elite goalie. Statistically speaking however, he was no better than Luongo, including the playoffs, and had even less success in the playoffs than Roberto. Same goes for Howard, Quick, Rinne, and Miller. Simply speaking from a statistical point of view, ALL of their career numbers are nearly equal or lesser to that of Luongo. So I don't see how people can deem Luongo not elite yet deem these other goalies elite when the numbers don't support it. The only legitimate argument people can even make against Luongo not being elite is his inconsistency in the playoffs. EVEN WITH that inconsistency prior to the last season, Luongo had a career 2.50 and .917. Not too shabby at all. I keep referring 'prior to last season' for the sake of argument because Lundqvist and Quick were no better than Luongo but given their success this season, I would probably say that they are.
But people can't just at the numbers all the time and come to a conclusion. If team A was on the PK 8 times during a game and allowed several odd man rushes and team B tallied four or five goals in that span of the game, most people are simply going to look at the box score and go 'gee, nice goaltending
'. But see, that would be unfair to the goalie of team A. My point being you can't just look at the numbers all the time. Even with Luongo's inconsistency in the playoffs, the defence as a whole is to blame for many of these goals. People need to actually analyze and break down plays and understand why the opposition scored. But most people don't have the time to do this or are too stupid to do this and instead simply resort to blaming Luongo. And lets be perfectly honest, he is getting NO help from OUR offence for the last two series against the Kings and Bruins.
As much as people want to ride Luongo's ass for his performance, the Canucks 1.17 goals combined over the last two series is going to get you absolutely no where. As much as he is to blame, the team in front is defending poorly at times and providing almost zero offence. It doesn't matter if Luongo allows five goals or two. The offence isn't there in support anyway.
Edited by Tortorella's Rant, 31 July 2012 - 02:39 PM.