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#211 mysticriver

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 02:32 PM

I can't believe I just watched him jump for 30 seconds. LOL what a waste of time!


It was only 30 seconds.... now if it was an hour, that would have been a waste of time.

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 02:48 PM

This thread is awesome. Zack Kassian lost weight? That means he's just like Bernier! He's going to fail!!!

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 04:27 PM

Compare that video of Kassian doing lunges, he looks big, explosive and athletic, with reports Tanev had gained weight (and look at his pictures on the front page of Canucks dot com) I'll take Kassians fitness commitment anyday!

FTR, Bertuzzi carried his weight fine, I'm guessing Sutter kicked Penner's sorry butt into shape for the play off's after years of well documented ho-hum commitment.

If Kassian lost muscle, and I'm guessing by that video he just trimmed off fat, it would be a worry.

That's what I thought. :lol:

So we finally acquire the powerforward we need, and then we tell him to lose weight cause he's too big?

Didn't we try that with Bernier and he got alot worse?

Not every player has to fit into the skilled fast mold of our other players. Seems to me Penner does alright for himself at 240. So did Bertuzzi.


Edited by Canuck Surfer, 28 July 2012 - 05:06 PM.


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Posted 28 July 2012 - 04:59 PM

This post is not correct. Most players loose weight during the season. The exceptions being sloppy habits, ie SOB drinking at the Roxy and showing up with a beer belly, Kassian eating Nacho's in the press box... Also, he played big minutes in the minors, then started having the money for steak and nights out with an NHL paycheck, but only 5 or 10 minutes a game to work off his consumption. Sitting on your butt for the first time, without adjusting eating is a hard factor to figure out as a 21 year old.

Most players put on lean muscle mass training in ideal conditions in the off season. Then the exhaustive expense of energy during the season is one factor that see's guys loose weight. Games are also great leg and cardio work, but does not offer the rest of the body as much training for strength and explosiveness, so this drops off.Then the body needs rest, there is lack of access to facilities while on an airplane or on the road. So players are now eating for high energy games, then training on the bike after to blow off consumption if they played average or low minutes, also to cool down and spare lactic acid. This affects sleep, making it harder to train the next day...

And then players, by the time they are veterans, have learned to adapt and prepare for the "rigours" of the season, including how to train and adjust in season. Its one reason trading for Kassian, and expecting him to be a play off difference maker (as was first advertised) was a huge risk (which did not work).

But at least all looks positive moving forward?

If only the rest of CDC had this logic. Post volume would be cut by 90%.

Players frequently put on weight during the season. Especially those guys who are already naturally bigger (i.e. Bertuzzi).

Last summer I read a story about Gary Roberts' camp. He has all his guys cut weight to become more mobile in order to have the appropriate range of motion to carry out all of his exercises/lifts.

I'd say it is more likely that Kassian cut weight so that he actually has more of an opportunity to gain weight in the long run. He cut, now he is going to build himself back up (as many have alluded to already).


This training IS great news for Kassian. In reality, he was propped into his roster spot this past year when he arrived. He was not in good enough shape, clearly puffed at the end of games, but effective in first periods. He should have been in the minors playing himself into shape. That spot should have been Bitz's, who was better prepared.

If he is in shape this season, could be a very different story!

Why would he not make the roster? Putting him in the AHL is useless. He's proved he can play there. Can't learn to play in the NHL when you're not in the NHL, no?


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Posted 28 July 2012 - 05:39 PM

Anyone else loling at people saying "muscle weighs more than fat"? What exactley does that mean? Do you mean that muscle is more dense than fat?
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Posted 28 July 2012 - 06:23 PM

Anyone else loling at people saying "muscle weighs more than fat"? What exactley does that mean? Do you mean that muscle is more dense than fat?


Yes they do.

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 06:28 PM

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 06:30 PM

This post is not correct. Most players loose weight during the season. The exceptions being sloppy habits, ie SOB drinking at the Roxy and showing up with a beer belly, Kassian eating Nacho's in the press box... Also, he played big minutes in the minors, then started having the money for steak and nights out with an NHL paycheck, but only 5 or 10 minutes a game to work off his consumption. Sitting on your butt for the first time, without adjusting eating is a hard factor to figure out as a 21 year old.

Most players put on lean muscle mass training in ideal conditions in the off season. Then the exhaustive expense of energy during the season is one factor that see's guys loose weight. Games are also great leg and cardio work, but does not offer the rest of the body as much training for strength and explosiveness, so this drops off.Then the body needs rest, there is lack of access to facilities while on an airplane or on the road. So players are now eating for high energy games, then training on the bike after to blow off consumption if they played average or low minutes, also to cool down and spare lactic acid. This affects sleep, making it harder to train the next day...

And then players, by the time they are veterans, have learned to adapt and prepare for the "rigours" of the season, including how to train and adjust in season. Its one reason trading for Kassian, and expecting him to be a play off difference maker (as was first advertised) was a huge risk (which did not work).

But at least all looks positive moving forward?



This training IS great news for Kassian. In reality, he was propped into his roster spot this past year when he arrived. He was not in good enough shape, clearly puffed at the end of games, but effective in first periods. He should have been in the minors playing himself into shape. That spot should have been Bitz's, who was better prepared.

If he is in shape this season, could be a very different story!


Agreed. Putting on weight during the season? Highly unlikely.
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Posted 29 July 2012 - 08:03 PM

he will be much faster and plus will turn the lost 20 pounds of fat to muscle so he will be way stronger

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 01:15 AM

Agreed. Putting on weight during the season? Highly unlikely.


O'Brien managed to. :lol:
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Posted 30 July 2012 - 11:21 AM

Do we want a powerforward losing weight?

I thought his skating was great for a big guy...


When Bert lost a few pounds he did better also..black and white..

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 01:07 PM

Can't wait for the season to start

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 02:27 PM

Congrats on him. Lets hope he packs on the muscle and uses it against the d-man in front the net next year. That will be great to have in the playoffs ;)

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 07:55 PM

Hopefully he can crack the lineup this year.

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 09:31 PM

pics or it didnt happen

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 09:58 PM

Doesn't make sense at all. Muscle weights heavier than fat.


What weighs more a pound of fat or a pound of muscle ... Ok this was actually a mobile bump but I had to after seeing that. Now reading the post a couple up I realize I shouldn't have bumped it. So just to clarify your 17 year old source is good friends with Tanev who was born in 89 but doesn't know Hodgson who is born in 90 cause he was too old

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 04:00 PM

This whole thread just shows the age or physical condition of a lot of CDC members. You play practically any sport or just maintain fitness, you work hard to burn the fat and then you build pure muscle. It's not like fat magically turns to muscle. Muscle lies beneath the fat. So you burn off the fat that is currently on top of your muscles then work to build the muscle afterwards. It helps your speed, balance, core, endurance and shot.

If he lost 20 lbs that's a very good thing.

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 07:03 PM

Anyone else loling at people saying "muscle weighs more than fat"? What exactley does that mean? Do you mean that muscle is more dense than fat?


I suppose they aren't getting the difference between weight and mass.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 05:32 PM

I recall a few years ago when Darcy Hordichuk was with Vancouver, I heard him do a radio interview on the TEAM 1040 and he said he came to training camp in 'the best shape of his life' after management told him to shed some lbs. So he came into camp leaner and faster like many players do...especially a bottom 6 guy who needs to do everything he is told to make the team. But he said as the season went on, he felt he could never hit the same as he used to at a heavier weight. He said he felt like he was bouncing off guys rather than hitting through them like he did at his heavier weight. Since this was his role on the team, he said it was frustrating and lead to less ice time. It wasn't until he put some of the weight back on that he felt his checks were more effective. Not that this applies universally to every player, but I think it is something to consider if Kassian's play next season is lack luster even though he is in better shape. And this is just merely my opinion, but has being in better shape really cut down on all the injuries? On the surface, it certainly doesn't appear that way.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 06:44 PM

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 08:39 PM

GO GET EM ZACK!
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 11:40 PM

Kassian was getting gassed too fast last season so dropping 20 lbs of fat and improving his fitness is nothing but a great thing.

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 02:53 PM

I recall a few years ago when Darcy Hordichuk was with Vancouver, I heard him do a radio interview on the TEAM 1040 and he said he came to training camp in 'the best shape of his life' after management told him to shed some lbs. So he came into camp leaner and faster like many players do...especially a bottom 6 guy who needs to do everything he is told to make the team. But he said as the season went on, he felt he could never hit the same as he used to at a heavier weight. He said he felt like he was bouncing off guys rather than hitting through them like he did at his heavier weight. Since this was his role on the team, he said it was frustrating and lead to less ice time. It wasn't until he put some of the weight back on that he felt his checks were more effective. Not that this applies universally to every player, but I think it is something to consider if Kassian's play next season is lack luster even though he is in better shape. And this is just merely my opinion, but has being in better shape really cut down on all the injuries? On the surface, it certainly doesn't appear that way.


You're operating under the assumption that Kassian and Hordichuk are similar players........they're not.......if not for his willingness to take punches to the face, Hordichuk serves no function and would otherwise be playing for the ReMax Rangers of the City Hockey League in Bumstop Sask. Kassian, on the other hand is a big, skilled, physical powerforward expected to develop into an upper tier offensive player in due time.

For the "goon" that Hordi is, that extra weight swrves him better thn being lean and muscular because he's being man handled by bigger, tougher heavy weights. For Kassian, it serves him better beczuse, though already fast, he will be more explosive and better on his skates.

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 03:04 PM

Lol every time i hear the name Hordichuk i see the hip that Ballard hung on him..was a thing of friggin beauty.

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 08:16 PM

Can't wait to see him dominate this season hopefully he'll get at least 30points.

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 08:30 PM

Lol every time i hear the name Hordichuk i see the hip that Ballard hung on him..was a thing of friggin beauty.


So true .. sad when it was a top 10 seasonal hi-light .. :towel:

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 08:14 PM

Now he is so explosive with more leg muscle so he is harder to knock off the puck and that 20 pounds of fat will be 20 pounds of muscle

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 08:15 PM

oh yeah his hits will be harder given the acceleration bonus and keeping all or most of his muscle and will be way bigger improvement

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 08:23 PM

Now he is so explosive with more leg muscle so he is harder to knock off the puck and that 20 pounds of fat will be 20 pounds of muscle


Well, yes, next off season maybe. As you can't subtract and add at the same time
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Posted 07 August 2012 - 11:46 PM

Anyone else loling at people saying "muscle weighs more than fat"? What exactley does that mean? Do you mean that muscle is more dense than fat?


Nope, pretty much just you loling because muscle does weigh more than fat.

And as for those people who think that Kassian will put on weight during the year, good/healthy weight that is, it's likely not going to happen. Most players lose weight throughout the year because of the travel, game and practice schedules. That's why most players use the off season to pack on muscle and gain or lose weight, depending on what they need, because usually the best thay can hope to do during the year is to maintain their muscle mass.




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