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Posted 26 July 2012 - 05:25 PM

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I KNOW THAT THE CANUCKS DON'T PLAY IN THE US, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. BUT I'M A MEMBER OF TWO FORUMS, THE FIRST BEING THIS, THE SECOND BEING A SWEDISH FORUM, IN SWEDISH, WITH SWEDISH PEOPLE, AND I THOUGHT TO MYSELF "GEE, SINCE AMERICANS ARE SO GOOD AT OTHER LANGUAGES, ESPECIALLY SWEDISH SINCE IT'S SUCH A BIG COUNTRY WITH NINE MILLION INHABITANTS, WHY DON'T I POST ON THE SWEDISH FORUM?" NO, I DIDN'T THINK THAT.


So, being from Sweden, I don't really get to meet that many Americans, and the Americans I do meet normally turn out to be democrats who think that the "socialistic society" we've got here is great (free university, free dental if you're under 20, free health care and so on). I never get to meet a real Tea Party/Republican/"I hate homosexuals" kind of guy.

I have got a few questions for Americans about your freedom, so let's start off:

1) how is America the "Land of the Free"? I mean, you've banned homo-marriage (don't know if that is the politically correct term in English, but yeah,) thus removing the right to be free, to choose what's best for him or her, in his or her life.

Don't come here like "it says so in the Bible". Like yeah, it does, but why should that matter? What if you don't believe in God, or not in that way, or in another God? Why should religion affect laws? Wasn't your country founded by people (I, of course, mean the Europeans here; not the native Americans) who had to flee from their native countrys because they weren't allowed to believe what they wanted there?

2) How can it be okey for education to cost money? I mean, sure, you can get scholarships and get to go to collage and even the university for free, but not everyone can get that. How is it okey to punish a child for what their parents did or didn't do? And you don't only punish the child, you punish the child's children, too. And you even punish THEIR children. And by punish I mean not giving them the opportunity to get the education they want, this makes them make less money when they get older, and not being allowed to pay for their children when they need to go to collage.

I've got plenty more, but I'm tired.

Please flame away!

Edited by Grammar Police, 26 July 2012 - 06:04 PM.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 05:31 PM

And the hoooomme of thheeee braaaaaavve.

We have to pay for education in Canada too. It sucks.
From what I know, if the rest of the world was run like Scandinavian countries are, then the world would be a much better place.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 05:33 PM

What are taxes like in Sweden?
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 05:34 PM

I am an American, and I will 100% agree with every point you have raised in this post. To be frank, "Land Of The Free" is complete hogwash. It sickens me to no end how money-grubbing religious lobbyists in this country have such sway over certain politicians as to affect laws that would violate others in this country's right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. The education thing is also one of my real pet peeves. It certainly seems like to me like a lot of our children are actually being discouraged from going to college, by a LOT of different people...because in my opinion, it's much easier to rule a nation of brain-dead sheeple than educated citizens with a mind of their own and resistance to stupidity.
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 05:38 PM

What are taxes like in Sweden?


The income tax is like arround 30 % if you earn less than $4 300 a month, if you earn more than that it's like 50%, an then there's tax on everything you buy, I think that's like arround 10 % or something.
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 05:38 PM

Firstly, this is a site for a Canadian hockey club. Very few posters here are American. If your going to bash people for being ignorant, you should at the very least make sure you are addressing the right country.

To respond to your points from my Canadian perspective:

1) Some people have the idea that it is up to them to choose what marriage means or what a homosexual is. I disagree with this and think marriage between any two consetning adults should be legal. Also, it's not all states that ban same-sex marriage. Several states allow it and several allow it de facto through "civil unions" etc... Obama has recently come out in support of gay marriage, so things are likely to change in the USA, just not in an election year. Also, same sex marriage has only been legal in Sweden for 3 years. Maybe ask your dad why his generation banned it.

2) The idea behind not having free university is small government. By making college "free", the money has to come from somewhere. You have to increase taxes. In Canada our college is very cheap compared to America but not free. And honestly there are arguments to both sides. It's great to have free education, but why should a guy working manual labour pay extra taxes so some teenager can dick around in Philosophy classes for four years and have the summers off to backpack and smoke pot? There's no right answer here. Freedom can be interpreted many ways. Personally, I think Canada has a pretty good system, although things should be slightly cheaper here.
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 05:39 PM

I am an American, and I will 100% agree with every point you have raised in this post. To be frank, "Land Of The Free" is complete hogwash. It sickens me to no end how money-grubbing religious lobbyists in this country have such sway over certain politicians as to affect laws that would violate others in this country's right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. The education thing is also one of my real pet peeves. It certainly seems like to me like a lot of our children are actually being discouraged from going to college, by a LOT of different people...because in my opinion, it's much easier to rule a nation of brain-dead sheeple than educated citizens with a mind of their own and resistance to stupidity.


Meh, why couldn't you have been Tim Thomas or someone right wing :(
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 05:40 PM

Meh, why couldn't you have been Tim Thomas or someone right wing :(


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Posted 26 July 2012 - 05:42 PM

Maybe because Tim Thomas is a racist prick and also I don't have any preference when it comes to the wings...I'd rip them both from their sockets if I had my way.
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 05:46 PM

Firstly, this is a site for a Canadian hockey club. Very few posters here are American. If your going to bash people for being ignorant, you should at the very least make sure you are addressing the right country.

To respond to your points from my Canadian perspective:

1) Some people have the idea that it is up to them to choose what marriage means or what a homosexual is. I disagree with this and think marriage between any two consetning adults should be legal. Also, it's not all states that ban same-sex marriage. Several states allow it and several allow it de facto through "civil unions" etc... Obama has recently come out in support of gay marriage, so things are likely to change in the USA, just not in an election year. Also, same sex marriage has only been legal in Sweden for 3 years. Maybe ask your dad why his generation banned it.

2) The idea behind not having free university is small government. By making college "free", the money has to come from somewhere. You have to increase taxes. In Canada our college is very cheap compared to America but not free. And honestly there are arguments to both sides. It's great to have free education, but why should a guy working manual labour pay extra taxes so some teenager can dick around in Philosophy classes for four years and have the summers off to backpack and smoke pot? There's no right answer here. Freedom can be interpreted many ways. Personally, I think Canada has a pretty good system, although things should be slightly cheaper here.


Firstly, why would you join this thread just to make your first statement, and secondly, there are more American posters here than you are aware of, so maybe...just maybe...if you have a problem with this thread aimed at Americans being posted on a Canadian team's message board...you should stay out of it.
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 05:47 PM

Firstly, this is a site for a Canadian hockey club. Very few posters here are American. If your going to bash people for being ignorant, you should at the very least make sure you are addressing the right country.

To respond to your points from my Canadian perspective:

1) Some people have the idea that it is up to them to choose what marriage means or what a homosexual is. I disagree with this and think marriage between any two consetning adults should be legal. Also, it's not all states that ban same-sex marriage. Several states allow it and several allow it de facto through "civil unions" etc... Obama has recently come out in support of gay marriage, so things are likely to change in the USA, just not in an election year. Also, same sex marriage has only been legal in Sweden for 3 years. Maybe ask your dad why his generation banned it.

2) The idea behind not having free university is small government. By making college "free", the money has to come from somewhere. You have to increase taxes. In Canada our college is very cheap compared to America but not free. And honestly there are arguments to both sides. It's great to have free education, but why should a guy working manual labour pay extra taxes so some teenager can dick around in Philosophy classes for four years and have the summers off to backpack and smoke pot? There's no right answer here. Freedom can be interpreted many ways. Personally, I think Canada has a pretty good system, although things should be slightly cheaper here.


The thing with making education free is that it will allow more people to make more money, thus making them pay more tax. (30 % of 10= 3, 30 % of 100 = 30). So I don't really think you'd have to raise the taxes all that much. Also you can't really look at it like "oh, it'd just be stealing our money!" you'd get something in return.

And this is NOT an "oh, I love Sweden, it's such a great country!"-thread, there are a lot of bad things about Sweden (for example we still have a king) it's a "please explain how you think as american"-thread.
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 05:49 PM

the Canucks play in Canada. You should go to a site like freerepublic.com. You will find the people you are looking for there.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 05:49 PM

I live in the United States. I was raised in Canada. Let me know what questions you have.
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 05:53 PM

You guys flaming the OP for posting this thread here just because the Canucks play in Canada seriously need to take your head out of your asses...No one forced you to view this thread, you did it of your own accord. If it doesn't apply to you, shut the hell up, and leave.
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 05:57 PM

Land of the free?
Whoever told you that is your enemy.

Anyways. Most people here live in Vancouver, Canada.
So, wrong place to ask.
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 05:58 PM

I don't understand why you are dying to meet some arrogant, ignorant, right wing nut job who is, on top of it all, a bible thumper.

Or the extreme liberal opposite, for that matter.

When I meet nice, non fanatical muslims, I don't sit there thinking, gee, what a bummer. I'm much rather run into a jihadist.


Oh, at the real reason you haven't met the kind of American you are hoping to meet, is because they rarely travel outside of their own borders and have no interests in other cultures.
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 05:59 PM

I live in the United States. I was raised in Canada. Let me know what questions you have.


Hihi, the first post in this thread
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 05:59 PM

I am an American, and I will 100% agree with every point you have raised in this post. To be frank, "Land Of The Free" is complete hogwash. It sickens me to no end how money-grubbing religious lobbyists in this country have such sway over certain politicians as to affect laws that would violate others in this country's right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. The education thing is also one of my real pet peeves. It certainly seems like to me like a lot of our children are actually being discouraged from going to college, by a LOT of different people...because in my opinion, it's much easier to rule a nation of brain-dead sheeple than educated citizens with a mind of their own and resistance to stupidity.


Lol @ irony of your post and sig
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 06:02 PM

Lol @ irony of your post and sig


Newsflash...this is not a debate. I stated what I thought was wrong with the country, I am not engaged in an argument with someone who has a different viewpoint. Learn the f***ing difference,. And apparently the idiot who gave you a +1 for that post needs to take a remedial Reading and Comprehension class too.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 06:07 PM

Newsflash...this is not a debate. I stated what I thought was wrong with the country, I am not engaged in an argument with someone who has a different viewpoint. Learn the f***ing difference,.


I'm starting to like you more and more... First the Slayer pictures, then your attitude <3
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 06:07 PM

So I, being from Sweden, I don't really get to meet that many Americans, and the Americans I do meet normally turn out to be democrats who think that the "socialistic society" we've got here is great (free university, free dental if you're under 20, free health care and so on). I never get to meet a real Tea Party/Republican/"I hate homosexuals" kind of guy.

I have got a few questions for Americans about your freedom, so let's start off:

1) how is America the "Land of the Free"? I mean, you've banned homo-marriage (don't know if that is the politically correct term in English, but yeah,) thus removing the right to be free, to choose what's best for him or her, in his or her life.

Don't come here like "it says so in the Bible". Like yeah, it does, but why should that matter? What if you don't believe in God, or not in that way, or in another God? Why should religion affect laws? Wasn't your country founded by people (I, of course, mean the Europeans here; not the native Americans) who had to flee from their native countrys because they weren't allowed to believe what they wanted there?

2) How can it be okey for education to cost money? I mean, sure, you can get scholarships and get to go to collage and even the university for free, but not everyone can get that. How is it okey to punish a child for what their parents did or didn't do? And you don't only punish the child, you punish the child's children, too. And you even punish THEIR children. And by punish I mean not giving them the opportunity to get the education they want, this makes them make less money when they get older, and not being allowed to pay for their children when they need to go to collage.

I've got plenty more, but I'm tired.

Please flame away!


1)I think the term 'Land of the Free' is a dubious term. Depends on what level we ask to be free. I dont understand the ban on gay marriage . Its a state level thing the supreme court has not ruled on it yet. I am for equality for gays and straights.

For me, freedom means I can move to any state and live anywhere I want , but even that has limits. Lets put it this way, I believe it freer than some other countries.

2) I have gone back and forth on education. To provide an undergraduate degree free , the cheapest way to do that is simply to have grade 13 to grade 16 .

But then everyone would have a degree so dishwashers would have a degree and then you need a masters degree to get a real job and on and on. All we would have done is slide the scale forward 4 years.

So I like the idea of providing access via student loans and scholarships so those who really want it will go get it.

Hope this helps

:)

I have never been to Sweden but hear its very pretty there.
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 06:14 PM

Land of the free?
Whoever told you that is your enemy.

Anyways. Most people here live in Vancouver, Canada.
So, wrong place to ask.


Nice quote from zack de la roche brother , rage on .
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 06:15 PM

I'm starting to like you more and more... First the Slayer pictures, then your attitude <3


Undisputed Attitude. ;)
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 06:22 PM

1)I think the term 'Land of the Free' is a dubious term. Depends on what level we ask to be free. I dont understand the ban on gay marriage . Its a state level thing the supreme court has not ruled on it yet. I am for equality for gays and straights.

For me, freedom means I can move to any state and live anywhere I want , but even that has limits. Lets put it this way, I believe it freer than some other countries.

2) I have gone back and forth on education. To provide an undergraduate degree free , the cheapest way to do that is simply to have grade 13 to grade 16 .

But then everyone would have a degree so dishwashers would have a degree and then you need a masters degree to get a real job and on and on. All we would have done is slide the scale forward 4 years.

So I like the idea of providing access via student loans and scholarships so those who really want it will go get it.

Hope this helps

:)

I have never been to Sweden but hear its very pretty there.


Thanks, I see what you're thinking, but I don't think everyone would use the system, even if it were free. You earn more money as if you go to school for ten years and then start working as a dish-washer, than you do if you go to school for 15 years, and then start working as a dish-washer.

As for Sweden being nice, sometimes is it, but not always:
Winter in Sweden (photo taken at noon):
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Spring in Sweden:
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Summer in Sweden:
http://gfx2.aftonbla...5/Svensk sommar
Fall in Sweden:
http://4.bp.blogspot.../IMG_8207-2.JPG
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 06:26 PM

Thanks, I see what you're thinking, but I don't think everyone would use the system, even if it were free. You earn more money as if you go to school for ten years and then start working as a dish-washer, than you do if you go to school for 15 years, and then start working as a dish-washer.

As for Sweden being nice, sometimes is it, but not always:
Winter in Sweden (photo taken at noon):
http://farm1.static...._e9a84a3050.jpg
Spring in Sweden:
http://3.bp.blogspot...0/slask 002.JPG
Summer in Sweden:
http://gfx2.aftonbla...5/Svensk sommar
Fall in Sweden:
http://4.bp.blogspot.../IMG_8207-2.JPG


Nice photos !!! :)
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 06:29 PM

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 06:30 PM

You guys flaming the OP for posting this thread here just because the Canucks play in Canada seriously need to take your head out of your asses...No one forced you to view this thread, you did it of your own accord. If it doesn't apply to you, shut the hell up, and leave.


Nope this is Canada and we will do what we want. No american invader is going to tell us if we can post or not!

But on topic, it matters not really, Canada and the states are almost exactly the same!
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 06:33 PM

The income tax is like arround 30 % if you earn less than $4 300 a month, if you earn more than that it's like 50%, an then there's tax on everything you buy, I think that's like arround 10 % or something.


50% income tax is pretty steep. Free university would be great though. =S
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 06:33 PM

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The Canadian one should be shown in it's proper setting - the case lot.
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 06:35 PM

Nope this is Canada and we will do what we want. No american invader is going to tell us if we can post or not!

But on topic, it matters not really, Canada and the states are almost exactly the same!


Yeah go ahead, do what you want...be complete douchebags to anyone who posts a topic here that asks a question to anyone except you and the rest of your thickheaded nationalist ilk...when all you have to do is just not click on this thread...much easier than making a jackass out of yourself.
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