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#31 The Sedin's 6th Sense

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 12:32 PM

Shane Doan is not a 7.5mil player; the max he should be making is 6mil.


Right on. If true he wants 4 years, $30 million, shame on him.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 12:34 PM

No. The guy is way too greedy for a guy thats won nothing in his career.


I think the Agent is greedy, not Doan.

Doan is coming off a five-year, $22.75 million contract with an average annual value of $4.55 million.

The agent is just trying to get as much as he can.

Is he worth $30 million over four years to the Canucks? NO WAY

But he may be worth it to some other teams out there...

He'd have to sign for $22 million over 4 years for the Canucks to sign him IMO.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 12:41 PM

Yes - make it happen - please!

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 12:41 PM

For a 35 years old player who is around 20 - 25 goals a year, and probably declining each year he's on contract? No, not worth it. Not unless the Canucks really have hard evidence Doan is willing to bring his heart and soul to this team, sufficient to help the forward lines increase their scoring power.
He may be exactly what we need, but I don't think Management will bite this time, especially after being burned by the likes of Sundin, Messier, Schneider, etc.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 12:45 PM

I'd do it only if the cap hit goes down every year for example:

Year 1: $7.5 million
Year 2: $6.5 million
Year 3: $5.5 million
Year 4: $4.5 million

Something like that.


Then you really aren't doing it, are you? The question was would you pay $30 million over 4 years, not $24 million.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 12:45 PM

Well... Have fun losing in Pheonix ya greedy bugger.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 12:49 PM

Hopefully this will be like the Garrison situation where its rumoured he's asking a lot then signs with us for a reasonable price.

The highest id feel comfortable with is 3 years 6mi per but id prefer only a 2 year term. There's no way Doan should be making more then the Sedins.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 12:49 PM

as much as i want Doan in a canucks uniform, he is not in any way worth close to 7.5 mil a year. and 4 years? nope. he will be 36 when the season starts, and will be 40 by the time he's done with the 4 year contract. NO, thank you. walk away, Gillis.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 12:53 PM

No -- he's done nothing in his career to justify that ridiculous amount of money.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 01:00 PM

This report is ridicules...

"A source told Globe and Mail hockey columnist David Shoalts on Friday"

"a source" could be freakin samjam99; this has as much validity as "Luongo deal done with toronto, to be announced on July 1st"
Can you really see Shane Doan insisting on 30 mil 4 years?... such crap.


I'll believe it when I see it... "a source" doesn't cut it for me.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 01:02 PM

Whatever team signs him to the rumoured 4 year contract is stuck with a 7.5 mil cap hit should he retire before it runs out, that would kill any hope for contending teams.


There's no way id sign him to that.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 01:03 PM

Whatever team signs him to the rumoured 4 year contract is stuck with a 7.5 mil cap hit should he retire before it runs out, that would kill any hope for contending teams.


There's no way id sign him to that.


if he signs a 4 year 30 mil @ 7.5/year and retires after the first year, does the 7.5 mil hit still apply to our salary cap for the next 3 years?

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 01:04 PM

Too many rumors going around about this 4 year 30 million thing. I've heard that it was an Eastern team's offer to him, not what he was demanding, now I'm hearing that is his asking price..? Hm.

I have to wonder.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 01:11 PM

if he signs a 4 year 30 mil @ 7.5/year and retires after the first year, does the 7.5 mil hit still apply to our salary cap for the next 3 years?


Yes it does.

For any contract signed by a player over a certain age, around 36 or so, if they retire the cap hit remains on the cap for the duration of the contract.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 01:12 PM

In no way is Shane Doan, at 35 years of age, worth $7.5M / a if I am the GM of a team challenging for the Cup.

He is not a big name. He is, at this stage of his career, a solid second line player on the decline. Would I like to see him in a Canuck's uniform? Ab-so-freakin'-lutely. Do I guarantee him $30 over 4 a? Sorry. That is insanity. Sad thing is, if that's what the market says he is worth, then that's what he's worth.

I hope we sign him, but not at this price point.

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My thoughts exactly.

Would love to have Doan on this team, but if that's what he's asking, then pass.

There is absolutely no way he's worth a 7.5m cap-hit.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 01:16 PM

I wouldn't give him more than the Sedins. I think he is worth around 5mil.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 01:17 PM

Never.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 01:18 PM

Yes it does.

For any contract signed by a player over a certain age, around 36 or so, if they retire the cap hit remains on the cap for the duration of the contract.


Whats a common situation where this has really bit a team in the but?

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 01:25 PM

For any contract signed by a player over a certain age, around 36 or so


35 to be precise.


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Posted 27 July 2012 - 01:26 PM

If he was at the prime of his career and improving, I would consider that offer. I don't know how many 35 year old NHL players though that get that much of a raise. Generally at that age, your contract goes down. I wonder though how much validity there is to the amount being asked? Doan wasn't the one who said that is what he wants, it's just rumored that is what he wants. But I guess if a team wants to pay that much for him for 4 years, there isn't much you can do. It'll be on their books, there is no way Gillis will sign him for that amount.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 01:29 PM

He doesn't want to leave. The only way he'll leave is if ownership falls through, and even then he may stay. He's telling other teams that he DOESN'T want to leave, but if you realllyyy want him, then this is the amount that would push him over the edge.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 01:33 PM

Whats a common situation where this has really bit a team in the but?


First here's the wikipedia paragraph of the rule

The CBA also contains a 35-and-over rule, sometimes referred to as the Mogilny rule.[7] This rule states that if a player signs a multi-year deal when the player is 35 or older, starting in the second year of the contract, that amount will count towards the team's salary cap regardless of whether the player is on the active roster or not. This is designed to keep teams from signing older players to lucrative front-loaded contracts, thus saving cap room, in which there is no expectation the player will actually play in the latter years.


Chris Pronger is a 35 and over contract and given that his post concussion syndrome has pretty much ended his career, Philly will be hit by this rule.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 01:39 PM

I'd be pretty apprehensive about giving him a 4 year deal. But then again you have to ask yourself... When will we have another player like this come along? I'd definitely not offer him a huge contract if it was going to be more than 2 years. IT would have to be a front loaded contract with his last 2 years being almost nothing. Example

1: 5.5M
2. 4.75M
3. 4.0M
4. 3.5M

Other than that i would offer him a 2 year deal at most at 6.5/year. But it seems to me that he is not interested in leaving PHX for something like that.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 01:39 PM

I would go up to $6M. $7.5M is a little too much. I like Doan, great player, exactly what we need, but money-wise, especially for 4 years is a bit much. We could get another top 6 player and 3rd line centre for that money possibly, although this year the skill level would not be as great as Doan.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 01:47 PM

i say get him to sign for less but make up for the rest with a signing bonus haha, for some reason im ok with that. He would be a great addition for this team to get rid of the cry baby mentality and to play hard with heart every shift, just what we need. id do it even for 7.5 because of what he can bring to the table

how bout this: semin for 7.5 or doan for 7.5?

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 01:52 PM

Imagine him being signed for 7.5 million and he ends up playing crappy like Pahlsson !!

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 01:58 PM

I think Gillis wil pass at anything beyond $6M. That was the ceiling for Detroit who have said they are out of the Doan sweepstakes because the price is getting too high.

There are too many wealthy owners with stupid/desparate GMs in the east throwng away money to beat out the new CBA. They will expect these contracts to be grand-fathered in the new deal and think they can get a leg up on the rest of the teams by acquiring big name players now without it hurting them later. The sad thing is...they are likely correct.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 02:28 PM

no thanks

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 02:36 PM

GMMG has always been pragmatic. Doan never visited Vancouver like he did other cities because he is very familiar with us. Gillis will make a fair offer and we will see where the cards fall. He got a lot of hometown discounts just for this purpose to be able to get some guys who could put us over the top.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 02:37 PM

Nope, but I woule definitly do it for 6 to 6.5 million. You can't just look at the guys points but his leadership, size, strength and playmaking. Doan is not worth over seven million but he is worth it if you don't pay over 6.5.. ;)
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