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#1 Tragoedia

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 05:13 PM

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After his single season here, Mike Gillis decided not to resign Raffi Torres, a player known for his massive hits and ability to make other teams keep their heads up, leaving many people here disappointed that we didn't extend his contract. After this season I think it was a smart move not re-signing him, and although I do think he is a good player and a good guy, he has become a liability.

Going into the 2012 season, Torres had already received a 4 game suspension and narrowly missed a second one. Whether you think he deserved to be suspended is irrelevant because in the leagues eyes, they were dangerous. Also, in 2012 rulebook changes were being made that were expressly banning such hits. So heading into the 2011-12 season, Torres was either going to be a liability with his reckless play (as the league describes it), or having to change his style and become less effective. I am glad they didn't extend him because although he scored 15 goals and 26 points with Phoenix, he received a fine and 2 suspensions amounting to 31 games and a 4 infractions in 2 years. Not the type of liability the Canucks could have used.

Again, it is not relevant whether you believe those suspensions were fair or not, because either way he was still suspended 4 times and he has still injured 4+ players in the past two seasons. The league does not view him well, and his punishments are only going to get harsher.
Even if he does smarten up, he will have to become a less effective player to do it, and not the same Raffi that we loved.

I bring this up because often I hear people on hear complaining about how we let Torres go, so I though it would be worth the discussion and I didn't see any ongoing discussions about it. (The only ones were from April about his suspensions). So do you think the same way? Do you think he would be worth the suspensions and the ire of the referees? Also do you think he would put our stars at a higher risk of being cheap shotted themselves with his hits?

Edited by Tragoedia, 27 July 2012 - 07:26 PM.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 05:15 PM

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Hes a series changer. I love him. and wish we still had him
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 05:18 PM

Last year on June 30 i was saying to myself, "c'mon MG please just re-sign one of them, you dont need to re-up both, just one"

That is what he did and look what happened.... I am sooooo happy he picked Higgy!
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 05:18 PM

Hes a series changer. I love him. and wish we still had him



He may be a series changer but it's never for the better
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 05:21 PM


@Trip
Remember when he hit Thornton? game 4 was it? Ol' Joe disappeared in the series after that hit.

Edited by Biasbieksa, 27 July 2012 - 05:22 PM.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 05:22 PM

I would re sign him. Matt Cooke turned his career around, maybe Raffi can too !!!!
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 05:23 PM

Torres was intimidating and that's a good thing to have in the playoffs
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 05:25 PM

Raffi didn't appear to be able to change his ways. If he reformed like Cooke while keeping up physically, I would sign him in a heartbeat.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 05:29 PM

we need more raffi torreses on this team
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 05:31 PM

Raffi didn't appear to be able to change his ways. If he reformed like Cooke while keeping up physically, I would sign him in a heartbeat.

Agreed, he had a great energy but he just needs to use his head a bit more..
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 05:33 PM

It wasnt really about letting him go.

Raffi wanted more $$ and MG wasn't willing to go for it.

Atleast I'm pretty sure thats what happened.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 05:36 PM

A question: Which was the dirtier play? Keith elbow on Daniel Sedin or Torres hit on Hossa? The NHL is dumb...
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 05:36 PM

It wasnt really about letting him go.

Raffi wanted more $$ and MG wasn't willing to go for it.

Atleast I'm pretty sure thats what happened.


pretty sure MG let him go cause he wanted 2 years while MG only wanted 1
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#14 Smashian Kassian

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 05:38 PM

pretty sure MG let him go cause he wanted 2 years while MG only wanted 1


Yeah that could be it, I remember it was something to do with the contract.

Either way MG probably would have liked to keep him but under ours terms not his.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 05:41 PM

It wasnt really about letting him go.

Raffi wanted more $$ and MG wasn't willing to go for it.

Atleast I'm pretty sure thats what happened.


I think he can be useful if he puts his mind to it.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 05:42 PM

pretty sure MG let him go cause he wanted 2 years while MG only wanted 1


I would have signed him for 2 years at 1 mil
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 05:44 PM

It wasnt really about letting him go.

Raffi wanted more $$ and MG wasn't willing to go for it.

Atleast I'm pretty sure thats what happened.

I know that was part of it, but I am guessing when MG was deciding whether he was worth the money or not, he decided we wasn't worth the liability.

A question: Which was the dirtier play? Keith elbow on Daniel Sedin or Torres hit on Hossa? The NHL is dumb...

That's a no brainer. Keith's was an obvious intent to injure, while the Torres hit was more just a reckless play. The league got those ones backwards. But Keith is a Blackhawk star, so that makes harder to punish. It's a load of crap I know, but it is what it is.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 05:46 PM

We need a guy like him on our team to be successful.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 05:46 PM

I miss Raffi :(
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 05:54 PM

Nobody on the current roster could even come close to doing this to Douglas Murray


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Posted 27 July 2012 - 06:00 PM

Nobody on the current roster could even come close to doing this to Douglas Murray

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gotjh29qwpQ

And then he gets a penalty, and now possibly even a suspension. (With his history and their "cracking down")
But I would agree, it would be nice to have another wrecking ball on the team. Maybe if Booth continues working on his hits he can gain the same power without the reputation.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 06:03 PM

I think he can be useful if he puts his mind to it.


Yeah I agree, he's a useful player, I would have liked to have resigned him but then we probably wouldn't have got Booth and I'm happy to have Booth.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 06:07 PM

Remember the cup run playoffs, when Kesler higgins edler were hitting? I do think Booth could maybe get into that mode too. That would be great.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 06:17 PM

If Kassian improved on his hitting, and Weise/ Lapierre/ Pini (hopefully Bitz comes back) do their thing, while Ballard keeps hipchecking, KB3 keeps hitting and Higgins/ Booth/ Kes/ Hansen keep doing their thing too cleanly, the team could be tough as a group and they wouldn't need guys committing dangerous hits like the ones that Raffi lays out.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 06:21 PM

We need Torres. Our team has no player with an intimidting role in the top 9. Torres provided that.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 06:33 PM

Was a huge fan of him when he was here.

What I really liked about him was that he had strong lower body where he dished out huge hits and as well scoring clutch goals.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 06:49 PM

A question: Which was the dirtier play? Keith elbow on Daniel Sedin or Torres hit on Hossa? The NHL is dumb...

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 06:50 PM

He wasn't that physical against Boston. He's more of a kill shot hitter not always physical.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 07:10 PM

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Remember when he hit Thornton? game 4 was it? Ol' Joe disappeared in the series after that hit.

We were up 4-1 in the 3rd period of the 4th game of a series we were already winning 2-1. Of course Thornton disappeared when we won the 5th and final game of the series, it had nothing to do with Torres.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 07:36 PM

There was some speculation on the net that Higgins didn't get along with him. Speculation that higgins wouldn't re-sign if torres was around.
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