Fact: Manny Malholtra Must Be Gone by the Beginning of the Season!

[Snake Doctor]

canucks have been thinking outside the box - and using manny as a defensive zone faceoff specialist... leaving our top lines for more time in the offensive zone. yeah it was a bit of a dissapointing season for him, but he is still effective as a shut down guy, not to mention a huge part of the locker room. keeping him around to train our centres is worth it, let alone buying him out.

FACT - canuck fans are embarrasingly ignorant on hockey, and throw players under the bus constantly... this fan base is the laughing stock of the league.

[Dogbyte]

I think there's a borderline between being intelligent and over-thinking. This seems more like over-thinking. Where were the Canucks before we started getting character players? Oh yeah.... out of the playoffs...

You seem to think getting players like Stoll and Bolland are easy. Those players would be expensive to get given their roles, so how do you propose we actually find these other "non-character" players?

In fact, what defines characters and non-character even? Are you saying that Stoll, Stall, and Bolland are non-character?

[Sick Hands]

All of you who are tearing down the original proposal for Malhotra to be gone simply because he's a member of this team, is a good leader in the room, and/or has good defensive abilities really need to start questioning your motives. Who are this team's role players in the playoffs--you know, the unsuspecting guys who are able to make a big difference when the games really count and the opposition is focusing every ounce of energy they have on shutting down this team's top 3-4 offensive and defensive players? Malhotra sure has never been one of those guys, with his total two career playoff points. In fact, aside from Jannik Hansen and maybe Chris Higgins, there really are no other players on this team who can (and have demonstrated the ability to) fulfill this obligation. Lapierre, Weise, Ebbet, Ballard, Tanev, Kassian, Raymond, and Booth are all utterly useless in the post-season, in terms of providing offensive production to take the pressure of the this team's top line and Kesler. Now after considering this information, take a look at just the 3rd line centers of some of the most recent Stanley Cup-winning teams: Jarret Stoll (averages between 20 and 25 goals a season), Jordan Stall (no need to say anything more), Dave Bolland (shut-down center, great agitator, and regular 15-20 goal scorer).

This team, its management, as well as its fans all need to start getting a little more heartless when it comes to making this team better. And before you begin attacking me by demanding that I provide a better alternative than our current roster, I need to point out that my argument is not that there are better options currently available (though, I do believe this to be true), but that the presence of "character" and "heart" need to take a backseat in some situations such as this one. Malhotra will be lucky if he breaks double-digits in total points this season, and with no one else surrounding the Canucks' star players who can chip in--especially when it really counts--leadership qualities need to be sacrificed in order to be replaced with the ability to actually make a tangible difference on the scoreboard.

P.s. I'm not attempting to defend the original idea of trying to bring in Dominic Moore in the least.

[Kesler's Nose]

He'll have a full off-season to train, I'm sure he has thought of this already..

Give him a chance to prove himself, if not he can decide what he wants to do afterwards.

Doing that would make us look horrible as an organization imo.

[Drybone]

I know. What are we supposed to do? Buy the guy out or put him on waivers ?

I think he can still contribute in a limited roll. Hes still awesome on faceoffs ! Lets see how he does !

[canucksnihilist]

Contrary to most dissenters... The thread does bring up a problem worth discussion.

Bolting off the ice after a face off won't work that well long term. Means that line doesn't have a chance to do much cause as soon as they get possession one player changes.

Especially in playoffs - u need a player who can win a FO and also play....

We will see - big problem might be confidence and afraid of physical play... Hard to get that edge back when u have that big Q in your head..

Hope for the best, he is under contract so see what he can do - last chance really - hopefully he can play a regular shift again...

[Bodee]

Contrary to most dissenters... The thread does bring up a problem worth discussion.

Bolting off the ice after a face off won't work that well long term. Means that line doesn't have a chance to do much cause as soon as they get possession one player changes.

Especially in playoffs - u need a player who can win a FO and also play....

We will see - big problem might be confidence and afraid of physical play... Hard to get that edge back when u have that big Q in your head..

Hope for the best, he is under contract so see what he can do - last chance really - hopefully he can play a regular shift again...

[Karlsson`s Flo]

Troll.

[Peaches]

Manny hasn't even began to hit his peak yet. Watch him rip into the opposition this season. Manny is KING!

[CHodgson9]

[jimmyking8888]

Is Malhotra useless? No. Is he worth 3 mil a year? Definitely No.

[oldnews]

^Malhotra's cap hit is not 3 - it is 2.5 - the NHL average.

58.5%

That was Manny's FO% last year - even after his eye injury. Puts him in a class with Toews and Bergeron.

Manny is not the Canucks' third line center. Comparing him to Jordan Stall and his 6 million cap hit is idiotic (or a host of other higher paid, different role, third line centers who get considerably more ice time in different circumstances). Malhotra was never brought here to score - he is obviously a faceoff specialist and shut down guy on the fourth line, playing with Lapierre on a two-center (if one guy is waived, the Canucks have a second center on the ice), defensive zone start specialist line. People who think his value is intangible would be surprised how many teams would like to have Malhotra playing that role in their lineup. His (and Lapierre's) plus/minus stats are relatively meaningless. The ability to win a face-off, clear the zone and prevent quality scoring chances for the other team's top line is seriously underestimated here (but I doubt it is lost on Schneider, Luongo or the blueliners), and having a fourth line that can perform that role gives the Canucks more options with how it uses it's third line - something that would be a whole lot more obvious if the second line is performing. Manny is not the next whipping boy.

[Mcfly]

I'm not going to cry if he leaves or anything, but I also wouldn't mind Manny for another season. The guys a leader. The eye thing was the worst thing that could happen to him, but he's shown enough resilience to warrant a fair shake at a cup with Van. He's played through some hell, people won't grasp.

I hate how players with career affecting injuries are thrown under the bus so easily.

Don't think that people really give enough credit to these guys. They have lives outside of the game, but it's hard for some fans to look past their ticket prices and false sense of entitlement.

I think the whole "WE WANT A CUP NO MATTER WHAT!" attitude has to go. It's bandwagon jibber jabber to my ears.

I'd rather win a cup with a team I respect, than with one I don't. It's about the journey, folks!

[ChuckNORRIS4Cup]

Everyone knows his time is done not only as a Canuck but in the NHL. His eye has effected his play to a point where he has become worse than a 4th line enforcer. Great guy, good personality and good teammate but a tragic situation.

Buy out his contract or send him down to the wolves where he can coach like Baumgarnter.

Then we sign DOMINICK MOORE. Perfect replacement suited for 3rd line.

If Malhotra comes back and plays because the Canucks feel sorry for him then I will be incensed.

I guarantee he'll be a liability and will only be used for faceoffs since thats the only thing he can do.

[Burnsey]

Fact: The square root of 9 is 3, 1 + 1 = 2, etc.

Opinion: Manny Malholtra Must Be Gone by the Beginning of the Season!

[Guest]

You say its a fact but say you should lay of the fiction

[thema]

Dominic Moore: brother was a prima donna (as basically described by former teammates) who appeared to have little regard for fellow players. Dominic will have played for 10 teams in 10 years and that says something to me. Sure, a good player but I just question the overall character and how it melds with this team. Just me and my biased thinking in relation to the past,

[CanuckCup1316]

I love what Manny brings when he is on his game. Its hard for people, who dont know much about the game, to understand how valuable it is to have a player who wins faceoffs as well as Manny. If that is all he can do well and not be a liability defensivly then he is golden. Anything more is a bonus. As far as his eye injury I think we should give him the oportunity to show if his off season training has improved his play. A good example is Mattius Ohlund. He seems to have had a pretty good career after his eye injury.

[Tearloch7]

As Deb wisely said, if Manny canna perform up to standard, he will retire, or become an assistant with the Wolves .. Manny is a classy man, and will "do the right thing" by the Canucks .. for those who want to throw him under the bus, remember, "what goes around comes around", and just hope you never get hurt so bad you canna do your job as well as you used to ..

[sthebest]

are you serious