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Who should get credit for the Canucks current success Burke/Nonis or MG?

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I was thinking about this after I posted. A Managers job is to get the best results out of the employees and situation you're in. Burke and Nonis did not get the same type of production out of the available assets that Gillis has.

IMO Gillis maximizes his available assets.

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Currently, only Hansen, Schneider, Edler, Raymond and Kesler were secured by Nonis.

None by Burke.

All the rest were UFA signee's including the Sedins, Burrows, Malhotra, Hamhuis, Bieksa and Lou or trades such as Booth, Erhoff before him...

Who do you think was responsible? Its certainly MG's team, any other conclusion is a joke!

And success? We lost in the first round! MG is also responsible for partly dismantling the team that all 3 helped guide on the way up. Letting key size for match ups loose in Torres, sending it to the minors in Bitz or gift wrapping our best prospects to other teams in trades that have yet to pan out in Hodgson and Grabner...

Burke and/or Nonis are responsible for the following players on the team:

Sedin

Sedin

Luongo

Schneider

Kesler

Burrows

Bieksa

So basically your top two lines, both of your goalies and a key defenseman...................I'd say MG loses this race. What do you think?

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Currently, only Hansen, Schneider, Edler, Raymond and Kesler were secured by Nonis.

None by Burke.

All the rest were UFA signee's including the Sedins, Burrows, Malhotra, Hamhuis, Bieksa and Lou or trades such as Booth, Erhoff before him...

Who do you think was responsible? Its certainly MG's team, any other conclusion is a joke!

And success? We lost in the first round! MG is also responsible for partly dismantling the team that all 3 helped guide on the way up. Letting key size for match ups loose in Torres, sending it to the minors in Bitz or gift wrapping our best prospects to other teams in trades that have yet to pan out in Hodgson and Grabner...

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Wasn't this asked in a thread not too long ago?

All of them deserve some "credit". All of them desereve some "blame".

What matters at the moment is that team ownership respects the work being done by the current management. Even if we were to come to a concensus that Burke was the best GM ever, and Nonis was the guy carrying the torch lit by Burke that would light the way to the Cup, our opinions don't really count for squat... unless you're planning on changing your allegiances to another team and no longer having anything to do with the Canucks.

I suppose it comes down to, what has Burke or Nonis done for this team, lately?

regards,

G.

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Burke/Nonis. Gillis is a no-talent bum.

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Burke and/or Nonis are responsible for the following players on the team:

Sedin

Sedin

Luongo

Schneider

Kesler

Burrows

Bieksa

So basically your top two lines, both of your goalies and a key defenseman...................I'd say MG loses this race. What do you think?

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Currently, only Hansen, Schneider, Edler, Raymond and Kesler were secured by Nonis.

None by Burke.

All the rest were UFA signee's including the Sedins, Burrows, Malhotra, Hamhuis, Bieksa and Lou or trades such as Booth, Erhoff before him...

Who do you think was responsible? Its certainly MG's team, any other conclusion is a joke!

And success? We lost in the first round! MG is also responsible for partly dismantling the team that all 3 helped guide on the way up. Letting key size for match ups loose in Torres, sending it to the minors in Bitz or gift wrapping our best prospects to other teams in trades that have yet to pan out in Hodgson and Grabner...

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Simple.

When the Canucks dominate the regular season, that's because of Burke and Nonis patiently and astutely stockpiling our core.

But when the Canucks fail in the playoffs, that's because Gillis has failed to deliver the bold moves required to get this core over the top.

That sound about right?

This topic isn't completey exhausted yet?

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Burke and Nonis deserves credit for drafting and putting together the core of this team.

Gillis deserves credit for retaining these players to reasonable contracts.

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I think if it wasn't for MG the Sedins may have left Vancouver after their last contract. He convinced them and flew out to see them.

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Shared.

As much as Burke and Nonis are responsible for establishing the foundation of great players we do have currently, Gillis ultimately had to re-sign them at discounts, which he did, along with several other important additions.

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All deserve credit. Burke/Nonis brought in most of our core players. On the other hand there's no way the team would be as good as it is today if Gillis hadn't managed to resign them to reasonable contracts and bring in more depth to our team.

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this.... burke drafted the twins, Nonis traded for luongo (who up untill now was the backbone of our team), and Gillis added key contributors like Higgy.

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Luongo is still the backbone of this team and MG is about to break it because of AV.

So Gillis is the front runner if:

He convinces Luongo to compete for the number one job, which he would easily regain at the slightest fall from Schneider, who ought to garner support for his demise at least as fast as Luongo has, by fans and media alike, in which case the Canucks keep Luongo.

Dangle both Luongo and Schneider on the market as the season progresses and at the trade deadline of the upcoming season, trade the best for the buck commodity that offers the highest return and first an foremost, the least risk to the franchise fas you all know, I am not convicted of Schneider and I am secure with Luongo, the "backbone" of the franchise.

Time is of essence. The get rich quick fan will sell time for a quick Cup and will trade fast in a high risk, one year wonder.

If Mike Gillis is theCup is only the result of a long process. Moreover, most individuals fail

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I wonder when that will be. Schneider hasn't exactly had a bad game before. He arguably has had a few, but some view otherwise.

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MIke Gillis.  Stupid question.   Our Franchise failed under Brian Burke, and Dave Noniis.  Keep in mind Dave Nonis had the same core of players and he missed the playoffs twice.

It's funny how you guys had to mention Brian Burke.  YOu guys made it sound like he magically got the Sedins, but keep in mind, the reason why we were able to draft one of them was because our team sucked garbage.

Mike gillis.  Not taking any credit away from Brian Burke or DAve Nonis, but honest I think Mike Gillis, is a superior gm over all of them.  Very impressive.

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Everybody on this team is Gillis. Every player on the team was inked to a contract by Gillis. Which makes the team all his. Every new GM inherits assets. Who he chooses to keep and who he lets go is what makes the team his.

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Actually Burke did work some magic to have back to back 1st round picks inorder to get both Sedins. We weren't just given 2 picks 'cause we sucked. Burke/Nonis are Responsible for the Sedins, Kesler, Burrows, Hansen, Edler, Bieksa, Luongo AND Schneider. (also don't the forget about Vigneault) That's about 99% of the core. The only guy Gillis has brought in of any major significance is Hamhuis (we'll see about Garrison).Gillis meanwhile has made so many mistakes that get overlooked by the fans on CDC somehow.He has often brought in guys in the twilights of their careers and paid them Big bucks and those guys have ended up doing nothing. Guys like Sundin, Demitra (RIP), Sturm. He has made some dumb trades like Ballard for Grabner and Howden (forget Bernier). He traded a 3rd round pick for a pylon in Alberts. None of his draft picks have made an impact with the big club. He mismanaged the Hodgson situation (1st with his injury and then by throwing the kid under the bus after the trade)Gillis at best is an average GM who is overrated by CDC. The guy was a dirty agent who no GM wants to deal with (except Dale Talon)Burke/Nonis still have their finger prints all over this team. I think Nonis just wasn't given enough of a chance to prove himself. The guys gets no credit for the Luongo trade. People forget that Lu was the backbone of this team and Nonis signed him to an excellent 4 year deal, not some 12 year dumb deal like Gillis

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