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#1 Schnieds

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 10:50 PM

http://fans.panthers...e/page__st__120

This is how most Panther fans feel about getting Luongo back. They don't want him back, they don't feel he's good anymore and they hate his contract every more. While you don't have to agree with everything they're saying, what they're saying is mostly true. You guys have to lower your expectations for the return on Luongo. Sorry if I posted this in the wrong section. I know how lots of you love pointing that out.
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#2 Smashian Kassian

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 10:54 PM

Yeah I know.

That page isn't that bad, if you flip about two pages back then start reading it's worse.
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Posted 29 July 2012 - 10:54 PM

http://fans.panthers...e/page__st__120

This is how most Panther fans feel about getting Luongo back. They don't want him back, they don't feel he's good anymore and they hate his contract every more. While you don't have to agree with everything they're saying, what they're saying is mostly true. You guys have to lower your expectations for the return on Luongo. Sorry if I posted this in the wrong section. I know how lots of you love pointing that out.


More like all 3 of the active fans on that board.
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Posted 29 July 2012 - 10:55 PM

http://fans.panthers...e/page__st__120

This is how most Panther fans feel about getting Luongo back. They don't want him back, they don't feel he's good anymore and they hate his contract every more. While you don't have to agree with everything they're saying, what they're saying is mostly true. You guys have to lower your expectations for the return on Luongo. Sorry if I posted this in the wrong section. I know how lots of you love pointing that out.


ahah that made me laugh most of the proposal/ players we want are reasonable like Weiss, Versteeg etc I don't know how many Panther fans actually watch hockey but Luongo is a elite goalie and top 10 in the league, just with him they could easily make the playoffs ...
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Posted 29 July 2012 - 10:56 PM

More like all 3 of the active fans on that board.


that must be a record for them
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Posted 29 July 2012 - 10:56 PM

It's obvious that most fans don't want Luongo, and want to get him for a really cheap price. I don't know why most of us think that Luongo would get you Weiss, Gudbranson, etc
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Posted 29 July 2012 - 11:01 PM

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 11:01 PM

ahah that made me laugh most of the proposal/ players we want are reasonable like Weiss, Versteeg etc I don't know how many Panther fans actually watch hockey but Luongo is a elite goalie and top 10 in the league, just with him they could easily make the playoffs ...


Just like we did last year? And lasted longer than the Canucks?

For the record, I would love Luongo on the Panthers.

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 11:02 PM

Our price is high for Luongo, not because we feel he is that valuable, but because we want the best for the team. The reason you guys don't want Luongo is because you don't want to give up anything significant. But in all reality, Luongo is still a fantastic goalie and is definitely underrated around the league. He is definitely not as bad as people make him out to be. His contract may not be the best, but the way contracts are going now-a-days, with players on the free agency market getting grossly overpaid, I don't think it is as bad as it's made out to be.

I don't think Luo will get a star player like Weiss or a NHL ready prospect with potential for a future Norris trophy in Gudbranson, but I do think we should get a reasonable return for him. Maybe Matthias and a 2nd or 3rd round pick would be a fair return.

At least, that's my take on this whole situation.

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 11:04 PM

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Just like we did last year? And lasted longer than the Canucks?


Let's be honest here, with a non bias.

Okay you did make it to the playoffs and even "futhur" if you insist.

But you lost Garrison who was on your top pair, your mediorce goaltenders are a year older and are close to end of there careers, I could see you making the playoffs again but I don't think it is a sure thing, I dont think you will win the division, so maybe you finish in 6th, 7th or 8th. but alot of teams in the east that didn't make the playoffs last year have improved, so you guys will probably have a tough time.

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 11:06 PM

ahah that made me laugh most of the proposal/ players we want are reasonable like Weiss, Versteeg etc I don't know how many Panther fans actually watch hockey but Luongo is a elite goalie and top 10 in the league, just with him they could easily make the playoffs ...

He WAS an elite goalie and top 10 in the league. Anyone who thinks that the return for Luongo is going to be huge is kidding themselves. Luongo's contract is probably the third worst contract in terms of goalies in the NHL. Every team that has goalie needs has better options. Florida should just wait for Markstrom to develop, Toronto should go after someone on a shorter contract ala Niklas Backstrom and Chicago can't afford another long-term contract on their team. Luongo isn't going anywhere unless if the Canucks are willing to severely underpay to get rid of him.
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Posted 29 July 2012 - 11:07 PM

To tell you the truth, I think most of them are actually right. I think Gillis is asking way too much for him. Florida made the playoffs last year with Theodore and they have Markstrom in development. It would be more wise for them to get the RW they need in Bobby Ryan than getting Luongo right now. If Florida feels they need improvement in net, they can easily wait out a year and sign a UFA goalie next season like Backstrom. It's not like they're going to be that much worse off than last year. Florida pretty much has all the leverage in this trade. They're in no rush to get Luongo.

As for the Canucks going into the reason with both goalies, yes it's good for us but seriously I'd rather have him gone and use that cap space to sign Doan.
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Posted 29 July 2012 - 11:09 PM

Just like we did last year? And lasted longer than the Canucks?

For the record, I would love Luongo on the Panthers.


This is embarrassing. I wish we played the Devils in the first round, and you guys played the Kings.

Congratulations on making the playoffs for the first time in like eleven years though.
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Posted 29 July 2012 - 11:11 PM

Let's be honest here, with a non bias.

Okay you did make it to the playoffs and even "futhur" if you insist.

But you lost Garrison who was on your top pair, your goaltenders are a year older, I could see you making the playoffs again but I don't think it is a sure thing, I dont think you will win the division, so maybe you finish in 6th, 7th or 8th. but alot of teams in the east that didn't make the playoffs last year have improved, so you guys will probably have a tough time.


Yes but I doubt most Panther fans and thier management team care much about making the playoffs next year. They know they realistically have 0 shot at winning the cup. They're building this team to win in 3 or 4 years. Let the Gudbransons, Huberdeaus, Bjudstads, Howdens, Shores, Markstroms develop. They don't need a 33 year old goalie
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Posted 29 July 2012 - 11:11 PM

I didnt know the GM of the panthers was all of 3 fans on the panthers message board.

Do you really think that the fans opinions is the same as what the actual panthers organizations opinion is? Hell no.
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Posted 29 July 2012 - 11:11 PM

Let's be honest here, with a non bias.

Okay you did make it to the playoffs and even "futhur" if you insist.

But you lost Garrison who was on your top pair, your goaltenders are a year older, I could see you making the playoffs again but I don't think it is a sure thing, I dont think you will win the division, so maybe you finish in 6th, 7th or 8th. but alot of teams in the east that didn't make the playoffs last year have improved, so you guys will probably have a tough time.


Losing Garrison isn't going to affect them too much I'd say. They have quite of bit in depth in D. If you're using that same argument about the goaltender, you can pretty much say the same thing about us.
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Posted 29 July 2012 - 11:14 PM

Yes but I doubt most Panther fans and thier management team care much about making the playoffs next year. They know they realistically have 0 shot at winning the cup. They're building this team to win in 3 or 4 years. Let the Gudbransons, Huberdeaus, Bjudstads, Howdens, Shores, Markstroms develop. They don't need a 33 year old goalie

Exactly. By the time the Panthers are ready to contend, Luongo will be 36 or 37. They should just wait for Markstrom to develop. Luongo to Florida doesn't make sense for the Panthers at all.

Dale Tallon is IMO the best GM in the NHL. He built Chicago from nothing into a contender, and now he's building Florida from nothing into a contender. He likely will not make the mistake of picking up Luongo's contract.

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 11:15 PM

Shrug....many Canucks fans on CDC want to trade Ballard, Raymond and a 1st round for just about any player in the league....doesn't mean that it is going to happen. We want to get Bobby Ryan, but only want to give up Ballard, Raymond and a 1st? Anaheim can just decline and wait for a better offer....

Similarly, just because Panthers fans don't want Luongo back doesn't mean that Dale Tallon wouldn't want Luongo on his team. Panthers fans and Leafs fans don't like the contract? So what, the owners are the ones that are paying....

I'm not trying to say that Luongo will get us a huge return, but Gillis is really in no rush to trade Luongo. I honestly don't think he will panic and trade Luongo for a bad return...
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Posted 29 July 2012 - 11:16 PM

Who cares what the fans say.
The GM makes the decisions, since after all, he knows a tad bit more about hockey than the fans do.
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Posted 29 July 2012 - 11:22 PM

He WAS an elite goalie and top 10 in the league. Anyone who thinks that the return for Luongo is going to be huge is kidding themselves. Luongo's contract is probably the third worst contract in terms of goalies in the NHL. Every team that has goalie needs has better options. Florida should just wait for Markstrom to develop, Toronto should go after someone on a shorter contract ala Niklas Backstrom and Chicago can't afford another long-term contract on their team. Luongo isn't going anywhere unless if the Canucks are willing to severely underpay to get rid of him.


Let me get this straight your saying he's not a elite goalie or a top 10 goalie in this league wow give your head a shake, last 7 years he has had 30 or more wins, and could easily get the Leafs into the playoffs and there's a reason why MG wants a hockey trade cause he knows that Luongo is one of the best goalies around...
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Posted 29 July 2012 - 11:25 PM

Yes but I doubt most Panther fans and thier management team care much about making the playoffs next year. They know they realistically have 0 shot at winning the cup. They're building this team to win in 3 or 4 years. Let the Gudbransons, Huberdeaus, Bjudstads, Howdens, Shores, Markstroms develop. They don't need a 33 year old goalie


My arguement wasn't really against that. I was just saying that they probably wouldn't make it, and Luongo could help from another standpoint either.

Getting him also helps there future because there going to be going through a transition period where they are going to be replacing Veteran's with Rookies, and there team won't be as good, and the fear would be that they would begin to accept losing like they did with there last group of players.

Booth talked about this in an interview, that there the team almost accepted losing, and then alot of the guys went elsewhere and helped out to important teams (Wideman, Horton, Ballard, Booth, Frolik and so on), and they can't afford to have that happen.

So if they get Luongo he will help them remain competitive and the transition will be smoother for those younger players and it will help them through there development, that's the main reason why I think they want Lu.
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Posted 29 July 2012 - 11:26 PM

Losing Garrison isn't going to affect them too much I'd say. They have quite of bit in depth in D. If you're using that same argument about the goaltender, you can pretty much say the same thing about us.


Well Garrison was on there top pair with Campbell, that's like saying us losing Bieksa wouldn't affect us very much. And Kuba can't replace quite what he brought.

And I'm not sure what you ment by the goaltender thing but I doubt you could make the same arguement.

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 11:27 PM

http://fans.panthers...e/page__st__120

This is how most Panther fans feel about getting Luongo back. They don't want him back, they don't feel he's good anymore and they hate his contract every more. While you don't have to agree with everything they're saying, what they're saying is mostly true. You guys have to lower your expectations for the return on Luongo. Sorry if I posted this in the wrong section. I know how lots of you love pointing that out.


No we don't. We are quite capable of hanging onto him until teams are begging us to trade him to them because their goalies are failing. :)
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Posted 29 July 2012 - 11:30 PM

My arguement wasn't really against that. I was just saying that they probably wouldn't make it, and Luongo could help from another standpoint either.

Getting him also helps there future because there going to be going through a transition period where they are going to be replacing Veteran's with Rookies, and there team won't be as good, and the fear would be that they would begin to accept losing like they did with there last group of players.

Booth talked about this in an interview, that there the team almost accepted losing, and then alot of the guys went elsewhere and helped out to important teams (Wideman, Horton, Ballard, Booth, Frolik and so on), and they can't afford to have that happen.

So if they get Luongo he will help them remain competitive and the transition will be smoother for those younger players and it will help them through there development, that's the main reason why I think they want Lu.


I actually don't know why Florida would want Luongo for the next 10 years now. Right now it makes sense to have him but if Markstrom keeps developing the way he has, then it'll be another Luongo/Schneider kinda situation there if Luo does in fact go to Florida
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Posted 29 July 2012 - 11:31 PM

Meh...been there, argued that.

Most of those Panthers users are very nice people, so please be respectful if you do venture down there. They treated us first-class when a boatload of us CDC'ers took over their boards last year.
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Posted 29 July 2012 - 11:32 PM

I actually don't know why Florida would want Luongo for the next 10 years now. Right now it makes sense to have him but if Markstrom keeps developing the way he has, then it'll be another Luongo/Schneider kinda situation there if Luo does in fact go to Florida


It will be more of Thomas/Rask

Markstrom isn't ready, and if they were smart they would season him a little longer (similar to what was done with Rask and Schneider)

Markstrom won't be starter ready when he comes in, so by the time he is ready to be the starter Luongo will probably reitre, plus as I said with the "accepting losing thing" having Luongo there to help that team remain competitive would help there young players and then Markstrom wouldn't be rushed in because of there need for goaltending.

Edit: and Luongo won't play another 10 years anyways, more like 5-7.

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 11:33 PM

Meh...been there, argued that.

Most of those Panthers users are very nice people, so please be respectful if you do venture down there. They treated us first-class when a boatload of us CDC'ers took over their boards last year.


Yeah I agree, they actually are really respectful, one of the nicer fan bases to talk too, even if you argue they are still respectful.

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 11:39 PM

Let me get this straight your saying he's not a elite goalie or a top 10 goalie in this league wow give your head a shake, last 7 years he has had 30 or more wins, and could easily get the Leafs into the playoffs and there's a reason why MG wants a hockey trade cause he knows that Luongo is one of the best goalies around...

Like I said he WAS an elite goalie. His past performances have been solid. His performance this season and in the playoffs in general isn't top ten worthy IMO.

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 11:42 PM

Who cares what a few fans say? Everyone has their opinion, and none of them change what a GM will do.
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Posted 29 July 2012 - 11:44 PM

It will be more of Thomas/Rask

Markstrom isn't ready, and if they were smart they would season him a little longer (similar to what was done with Rask and Schneider)

Markstrom won't be starter ready when he comes in, so by the time he is ready to be the starter Luongo will probably reitre, plus as I said with the "accepting losing thing" having Luongo there to help that team remain competitive would help there young players and then Markstrom wouldn't be rushed in because of there need for goaltending.

Edit: and Luongo won't play another 10 years anyways, more like 5-7.


But you're not certain if he'll play or not. You can't make that assumption. Like i said before they can just go with Theodore until he falters or they can sign a goalie in the upcoming years if needed which is a better option then getting Luongo for the next 10 years.
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