King of the ES Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 And BTW, if we make that trade, Shane Doan ain't signing here. Who's the second line center? Guillaume Desbiens? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanucks1 Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 Ok so the newest rumor is that Florida either wants elder or hansen +Luongo+ Schroeder in the Luongo trade. I say if Florida wants Edler a start young defensemen then MG should demand that Huberdeau be in the trade rather than Bjustad because if we give up an allstar we should get one in return. What do you guys think? give up Edler or not? and if we do should MG demand Huberdeau or stick with Bjustad and just try to get other aspects of the trade upgraded? cause as it stands right now Florida wants Luongo,Schroeder,Edler/Hansen For Bjustad,Matthias Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 Winnipeg would not do that, and Florida would die of laughter. Alex Edler is not presently worth very much. He's a UFA next year, which means that teams like Florida, who would likely have a slim-to-none chance at extending him, would not be interested. Otherwise, they just have Jay Bouwmeester again, and they'll lose him for nothing. I can't see any scenario where Florida gives up Huberdeau, so you may as well put that dream to rest. Bjugstad is a possibility, but honestly, what's the point? Is he really that much more highly touted than Schroeder? Jordan Schroeder was a potential top-10 pick in 2009. He dropped like a stone, somehow all the way to us. Though his AHL career to-date has been far from encouraging, Tony Gallagher had some interesting commentary recently, and he's quite bullish on him. He seems to think that Schroeder will be a better NHL player than AHL player, a la Cody Hodgson, because ultimately he's playing with some pretty weak talent on the Wolves. In general, I hate seeing guys putting up lousy numbers in the minors, but this might be a fair point. I do recall being very excited that Schroeder fell to us, as was practically everyone. The fact that he's 5'4", and Bjugstad is 6'11", is really not relevant at all, IMO. People need to get off of this silly idea that taller (not BIGGER) is better. It's not. But at the end of the day, here's what we end up with, in terms of ROSTER players for next year: IN -Doan -Arnott -Kane OUT -Kesler -Luongo -Edler -Hansen -Ballard -Raymond For the immediate future, the next 2 - 3 years, we're pretty clearly worse off for doing this, so what's the point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHansenFan Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 I would have to change my name.... maybe MRaymondFan21? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 - Edler being a UFA next summer might decrease his value slightly, but then it'd do that for Weber's trade value as well before he signed the offer sheet. Apparently Nashville didn't seem to think so and if Florida really did ask for him in return, they seem to disagree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanGnome Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 Winnipeg would not do that, and Florida would die of laughter. Alex Edler is not presently worth very much. He's a UFA next year, which means that teams like Florida, who would likely have a slim-to-none chance at extending him, would not be interested. Otherwise, they just have Jay Bouwmeester again, and they'll lose him for nothing. I can't see any scenario where Florida gives up Huberdeau, so you may as well put that dream to rest. Bjugstad is a possibility, but honestly, what's the point? Is he really that much more highly touted than Schroeder? Jordan Schroeder was a potential top-10 pick in 2009. He dropped like a stone, somehow all the way to us. Though his AHL career to-date has been far from encouraging, Tony Gallagher had some interesting commentary recently, and he's quite bullish on him. He seems to think that Schroeder will be a better NHL player than AHL player, a la Cody Hodgson, because ultimately he's playing with some pretty weak talent on the Wolves. In general, I hate seeing guys putting up lousy numbers in the minors, but this might be a fair point. I do recall being very excited that Schroeder fell to us, as was practically everyone. The fact that he's 5'4", and Bjugstad is 6'11", is really not relevant at all, IMO. People need to get off of this silly idea that taller (not BIGGER) is better. It's not. But at the end of the day, here's what we end up with, in terms of ROSTER players for next year: IN -Doan -Arnott -Kane OUT -Kesler -Luongo -Edler -Hansen -Ballard -Raymond For the immediate future, the next 2 - 3 years, we're pretty clearly worse off for doing this, so what's the point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
komodo1970 Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 The only way we should give up Edler or Hansen is if Florida overpays for them. We are trying to win now, so trading key pieces for players that can't help us now is a bad idea. Come to think of it, I just flat out wouldn't trade them at all. There's nothing FLA can offer to help us now if they take one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Mind Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 I don't think there is any way a deal with Florida should include either. Edler and Hansen are two important parts of our success and trading them would be counter productive to us winning now. The strength of a Florida deal relies a lot on futures. This being the case, it would be important for us to keep our star players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHL Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Ok so the newest rumor is that Florida either wants elder or hansen +Luongo+ Schroeder in the Luongo trade. I say if Florida wants Edler a start young defensemen then MG should demand that Huberdeau be in the trade rather than Bjustad because if we give up an allstar we should get one in return. What do you guys think? give up Edler or not? and if we do should MG demand Huberdeau or stick with Bjustad and just try to get other aspects of the trade upgraded? cause as it stands right now Florida wants Luongo,Schroeder,Edler/Hansen For Bjustad,Matthias Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 I don't understand what you're trying to say here, RE: Weber. You're suggesting that Nashville should've tried to trade Weber? Read again, it doesn't make sense. And yes, it DOES quite significantly decrease his value. Florida can't be exposing themselves to guys and situations like this. You do see that they're effectively trading two top-5 draft picks and a mid 1st rounder, right? They'd need something more certain. Alex Edler extending in Florida would NOT be a certainty. That'd be a foolish risk for Tallon to take. Wouldn't happen. What exactly has Bjugstad accomplished, besides a 20-goal season in the NCAA? Schroeder is the Michael Phelps of USA Jr. Nationals. You're comment above is based on nothing more than his height/weight. When you value a guy with size over a guy with skill, when the guy with skill has accomplished a lot and the guy with size has accomplished nothing, on the basis of "tools", you end up with Hugh Jessiman instead of Zach Parise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Burrows 14 Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 If we add edler we should definetely demand huberdeau in return plus versteeg and either gudbranson or jovo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honeydews Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 I really hope this is Fake. Cause I dont want to see Hansen and Edler gone yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Hansen and Edler are not expendable I'm sorry. Get rid of Edler and that leaves Bieksa as our only puck mover. Move Hansen and we have no 3rd line checking forward. I'd rather keep 2 goalies at 9M than have 1 good goalie but lose one of our intangeables. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mack Attack Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 Hansen and Edler are not expendable I'm sorry. Get rid of Edler and that leaves Bieksa as our only puck mover. Move Hansen and we have no 3rd line checking forward. I'd rather keep 2 goalies at 9M than have 1 good goalie but lose one of our intangeables. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number1Pick Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 right when i saw @insider_legit i lost all interest. imo, Bjugstad > Huberdeau sorry boys plays in all situations, good hockey IQ, the size, being a power forward and a two way forward who does well in his own zone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHodgson9 Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 Bjugstad > Huberdeau sorry boys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 right when i saw @insider_legit i lost all interest. imo, Bjugstad <<<<<<<< Huberdeau sorry boys plays in all situations, good hockey IQ, the size, being a power forward and a two way forward who does well in his own zone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aqua59 Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 no deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaNuCkSLoUiE23 Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 If Edler leaves, there's a major gap in the top 4. MG isn't that stupid. If Edler leaves, we'll NEED to get Gudbranson in return. That's most likely not gonna happen, so I don't see Edler being involved in the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAILED-BY-THE-HAMMER Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 very risky like most fans i like hansen and edler so im optimistic of losing either so gudbranson or huberdeau would have to becoming back to lose one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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