Sharpshooter Posted August 5, 2012 Author Share Posted August 5, 2012 Atheist: "Keep religion away from politics, please" Theist: "Sure, we won't force others into believing" Atheist: "How about your values? Keep them out of politics please" Theist: "So I can't believe in religion?" Atheist: "Yes you can, you can believe in it, just don't believe in them" Theist: "So, I don't have religious freedom?" Atheist: "You do, you can do whatever you want!" Theist: "And I choose to believe in right morals and right principles, found in MY belief!" Atheist: "Sorry, that isn't keeping religion out of politics you see" Theist: "Then what values and morals should I believe in?" Atheist: "Believe in what Atheists believe in" Theist: "And what exactly is that?What moral standard do all Atheists hold to?" Atheist: "We just make sure we're happy" Theist: "You're happy? So what makes you happy" Atheist: "Things that benefit us, helps us, contributes to us, etc etc." Theist: "So if something didn't make you happy, you wouldn't do it?" Atheist: "Exactly!" Theist: "So what makes you happy should apply for everyone?" Atheist: "No.. of course not. Not everyone is like me." Theist: "So we should make everyone happy to their own accord?" Atheist: "Yes!" Theist: "Is that the golden rule, to make sure you are happy?" Atheist: "Yes!" Theist: "What if one person's happiness is another person's sorrow?" Atheist: "Then too bad" Theist: "Then there's no consistency?" Atheist: "Not really, we go with the flow" Theist: "What if being happy requires the world to shift all its resources to you, making others poor and hungry? Is that okay?" Atheist: (INSERT YOUR ANSWER HERE) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dajusta Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Thanks for reaffirming my post. You are aware of what a strawman fallacy is, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dajusta Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Not sure if you are just being facetious or actually didn't read or understand the dialogue between an atheist and a theist. Tell me what you got. What did you understand, how does it not relate to the original post, and where is my logical fallacy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted August 5, 2012 Author Share Posted August 5, 2012 Yeah and since Clark uses the Bible to help her make decisions I'm sure thats why we've seen so many pro-slave, pro-genocide, pro-homophobia, pro-sexism, pro-rape, pro-polygamy, pro-murder, pro-bigotry, and pro-child abuse laws since she came into power. The Bible has a lot of good teachings in it despite all the things you listed. Things that very well could help an individual make the right decision, and would not have to have any extreme religious attachment like you seem to think it automatically does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaBestPlaceOnEarth Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 The Bible is also full of things like slavery, genocide, homophobia, sexism, rape, polygamy, murder, bigotry and child abuse...many which are either practiced by your God, or not disavowed by your God when they are practiced. Defend that when you defend the Bible for all its divine wisdom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VICanucksfan5551 Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Not sure if you are just being facetious or actually didn't read or understand the dialogue between an atheist and a theist. Tell me what you got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted August 5, 2012 Author Share Posted August 5, 2012 I knew you wouldn't answer the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaBestPlaceOnEarth Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 -what is the atheist belief structure that is used in governing society? -why isn't a religious person able to use his/her belief when making tough decisions? -how is a person that has no set belief structure able to tell someone else not to believe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dajusta Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Did the Bible help our courts make 'good' decisions when it same sex marriage? Abortions? Come to think of it, the Bible wasn't used to make decisions on those issues......now why do you think that is, hmm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jägermeister Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 When was the last time she had to make a decision on any of those subjects? They've all been decided secularly and legally before she ever arrived. Did the Bible help our courts make 'good' decisions when it same sex marriage? Abortions? Come to think of it, the Bible wasn't used to make decisions on those issues......now why do you think that is, hmm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Common sense Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Which question was that? I think there were like 10 in your nonsensical dialogue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted August 5, 2012 Author Share Posted August 5, 2012 The world is full of these things, and all kinds of objectionable behaviour and difficult circumstances. How would scripture offer wisdom if it failed to deal with and account for all the wickedness in the world? Not to mention the Bible was written more than two millenia ago, most of it, in a world very different from our own, but it's easy enough to take that into account and read it intelligently. There's no need to come to any piece of literature with such outsize hostility, reading anything is always an interaction between the reader and the text, if you come to the text with hate and disgust you're obviously gonna focus in on the worst stuff in the worst way. If you go to it looking for wisdom and guidance that is what you will find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Bob.Loblaw Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 The Bible is also full of things like slavery, genocide, homophobia, sexism, rape, polygamy, murder, bigotry and child abuse...many which are either practiced by your God, or not disavowed by your God when they are practiced. Defend that when you defend the Bible for all its divine wisdom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dajusta Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Which question was that? I think there were like 10 in your nonsensical dialogue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Common sense Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 The concern is that she may already have[...] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted August 5, 2012 Author Share Posted August 5, 2012 There are many atheistic belief structures. Marxism is probably the most well-known but there's also the secular humanist human-rights based one as well, and others. People say they are atheists but it is not possible to go through life with no set of beliefs at all, it's instinctive. If God is not your God, then humanity or the environment or yourself or the state or whatever else you base the system of thought which you use to interpret the world you experience will fill that void. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted August 5, 2012 Author Share Posted August 5, 2012 ........ What you are saying does not define Christy Clark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted August 5, 2012 Author Share Posted August 5, 2012 Do you know if it did? Did you know whether or not the Supreme Justices are educated with Christian beliefs or not? Have you the capability to unearth how exactly the Bible actually teaches and guides people? Does it have arms and legs that spring out and actually tell people what to do? Have you any understanding that Canadian history and foundation, not to mention the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, were all written by religious founders? Rejecting the notion of religious belief, especially in Canada, is such an ignorant thing to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jägermeister Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Tell me of a moral action performed or an ethical statement made by a Christian that I couldn't make because i'm a non-believer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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