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#1 babych

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 10:52 AM

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Just read an article regarding Gillis and the Luongo situation. Don't know if it needs it own thread but it's been a slow couple of weeks.


http://sports.yahoo....59038--nhl.html

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There is little doubt that Vancouver Canucks GM Mike Gillis would very much prefer to move Roberto Luongo for obvious reasons.

Luongo simply cannot any longer be seen as a viable option after he was repeatedly sat in favor of Cory Schneider in the playoffs last season, and has been routinely disquieted by trade rumors. He's expensive. He's signed long-term. He might not be as good as the Schneider. Everyone on earth expects that he will be traded before the season starts.

But the longer this summer rolls on, the stranger the scenario seems to be. Back in June, there were several teams mentioned in connection with Luongo's services, but that number has slowly been whittled away to just one: Florida. And yet there seems to be less movement now than there was even into July. We're now past 100 days of this saga.

Earlier in the week, we were told that Gillis has a very specific directive for Florida: Give us Nick Bjugstad. Florida has repeatedly denied that request, and so we wait.

The interesting thing is that Gillis has repeatedly said he was more than willing to enter next season with both Luongo and Schneider remaining as his goaltending tandem. The idea was probably first bandied about on the Canucks' getaway day, and earned a few guffaws from those who couldn't possibly imagine such a scenario because, y'know, come on. They had to trade him because… well, they just had to do it, right?

But now it's early August, and it's getting harder and harder to disbelieve him. Uncomfortable for pretty much everyone involved? Sure. But he's not in the position that Scott Howson was with Rick Nash.

"We're listening," Gillis told NHL.com. "We have been listening to teams that are interested in acquiring him. If we get what we think the value is there we'll trade him. I don't have a timetable. In fact, in hockey things can change in five minutes with one phone call. It's unrealistic to put a timetable on it."

Gillis can sit back and wait for the Panthers to come to him on this. With or without Luongo, his team can still end the regular season No. 1 in the Western Conference as they have the last two seasons. His team isn't the one with the need, but is Florida ready to enter another season with Jose Theodore and Scott Clemmensen between the pipes, especially given how teams in their division have improved in this offseason? Can they count on another freakishly bad Washington team scraping along all year?

Dale Tallon may love what Bjugstad brings to his organization, but does he love it more than a significantly improved chance to make the playoffs for the second consecutive season? That's what Gillis is counting on, and he's no dummy. This is the guy who artificially drove up Cody Hodgson's trade value with favorable zone starts for weeks in an effort to work a more advantageous deal for himself.

Everyone is aware that the Canucks don't especially want Luongo on the roster, and if a team really does, then they're going to have to come to heel and acquiesce to Gillis' demands. As with most Canucks trades, he's running this beautifully. It's likely that no one involved would actually be happy to have Luongo back at Canucks training camp next month, but at the same time, it also wouldn't be the worst thing in the world for that team either.

-end article.

One thing i found interesting was the part about Hodson and how MG drove up his trade value.
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 10:55 AM

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I like that MG is playing hardball.
Lu's a great goaltender, and if we are going to trade him, we should try to get something great in return.
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 10:57 AM

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 11:09 AM

MG's strategy is a good one but lui has to be gone by training camp.... all there is to it.
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 11:11 AM

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I love it. MG knows what he has in Lou and isn't being pressured into a deal that doesn't benefit us. Good on him. All those who want the deal done now need to relax and let him do his job. In the end, I think it's gonna be worth the wait.
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 11:13 AM

Trade Luongo for some draft picks.

At this point all he is is a salary dump.
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 11:14 AM

He'll be traded during the regular season when some, yet to be determined starting goalie gets injured. He'll be very valuable then and should net a decent return. Until then...........
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 11:14 AM

MG's strategy is a good one but lui has to be gone by training camp.... all there is to it.


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Posted 06 August 2012 - 11:16 AM

MG's strategy is a good one but lui has to be gone by training camp.... all there is to it.


Yeah, I think things will work out better if this is the case. This being said, if Gillis sees he's close to getting something more than what he can get right now, I'm okay with him waiting an extra week or two.

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 11:17 AM

Bjugstad would look mighty fine in Kesler's place to start the year.
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 11:17 AM

If he drove up Hodgson's value, then you have to be a big believer in Zack Kassian.

Tallon sat on Booth at the start of last season. No reason not to expect Gillis to sit on Luongo at the start of this season.

But there's way too much talk of Bjugstad, imo. That of course isn't the only option Gillis is considering.
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 11:18 AM

I've learned two troubling things:

--Luango may be unwilling to be traded anywhere but Florida. So the waiting game is as much for him as it is for other teams to up their offers. He either blinks and expands his list of destinations or reports to camp as a 2nd stringer.

--Leafs, the one team with the biggest need and thus most motivated to trade for Lu, have absolutely nothing MG wants.

Also, Bjugstad must be hell of a prospect.
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 11:20 AM

Bjugstad will be playing in college this season.

Given that Weiss is ufa next summer, you can see why Tallon would be hesitant on trading Bjugstad.

Wouldn't be shocked if Weiss is in fact traded by the deadline. A Florida standings correction is fairly possible. Esp. with no Luongo.
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 11:21 AM

Keep him until you get fair value. We're not Florida's farm team, it's the other way around.
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 11:22 AM

Meanwhile, Lindback isn't a proven starter. TB is still very much in the picture, even if Yzerman won't admit it.
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 11:36 AM

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Meanwhile, Lindback isn't a proven starter. TB is still very much in the picture, even if Yzerman won't admit it.


And it's not just Tampa. Holtby, Reimer, Theodore/Clemmenson, Brodeur (old), Bobrovsky/Mason, Anderson, Whoever NYI goalie is, Crawford, are all slated to be their team's starters this year. Look at that damn list, at least a few of them are going to flop. A bunch of those teams (Chicago, Tampa, Toronto, Washington, New Jersey) have tons of pressure to make the playoffs, "riding it out" for a year with a bad goalie and getting a nice draft pick isn't an option. What happens when several of these teams all realize they need a proven starter a few weeks into the season? They come running to Gillis, because he holds the keys to the only available starter in the league. BIDDING WAR.It's just simple supply and demand, currently the supply is 1 and the demand is 0; if he waits until the season starts the supply will still be 1, but the demand will likely be 3 or 4.

Gillis knows what he's doing here, and when it pays off, he's going to get some big time credit.

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 11:36 AM

Keep him until you get fair value. We're not Florida's farm team, it's the other way around.


Exactly- nothing else needs to be said
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 11:43 AM

One thing i found interesting was the part about Hodson and how MG drove up his trade value.


If by "interesting", you mean "horse bleep", sure.

You can't "drive up" somebody's value in the NHL. You're not an institution buying stock. Cody still had to go out and make all the plays that he did. Cody had to go out and win all the faceoffs. Etc. This is a stupid, spiteful premise to take. Gillis is essentially saying that Hodgson sucks, and that he was a creation of the Vancouver Canucks - OK, Mike, we'll see about that one.

BTW, speaking of values, how sad is it that perennial top-10 goaltender Roberto Luongo can't even get back some mid-1st rounder from a team already loaded with youth?
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 11:50 AM

Keep him until you get fair value. We're not Florida's farm team, it's the other way around.

Very true, we seem to have quite the appetite for their overpriced veterans.
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 11:53 AM

Still speaking of values, you bring none to any discussion. Yeah, yeah, Gillis sucks. Yawn.

Luongo's on the table and a lot of teams are interested. However, Gillis can indeed afford to be patient. Nothing wrong with that.
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 11:54 AM

And it's not just Tampa. Holtby, Reimer, Theodore/Clemmenson, Brodeur (old), Bobrovsky/Mason, Anderson, Whoever NYI goalie is, Crawford, are all slated to be their team's starters this year. Look at that damn list, at least a few of them are going to flop. A bunch of those teams (Chicago, Tampa, Toronto, Washington, New Jersey) have tons of pressure to make the playoffs, "riding it out" for a year with a bad goalie and getting a nice draft pick isn't an option. What happens when several of these teams all realize they need a proven starter a few weeks into the season? They come running to Gillis, because he holds the keys to the only available starter in the league. BIDDING WAR.It's just simple supply and demand, currently the supply is 1 and the demand is 0; if he waits until the season starts the supply will still be 1, but the demand will likely be 3 or 4.

Gillis knows what he's doing here, and when it pays off, he's going to get some big time credit.

Exactly, same as he did with Hodgson. Who would have thought he could get a player like Kassian for Hodgson? Who wasted a 10th overall pick on him anyways?
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 11:54 AM

While I still believe Luongo can make a lot of teams better, I'm not so sure that he holds the magic that he once had in the League. Teams have found his weaknesses and constantly exploit them, and no longer fear facing him. If this is true, then maybe Gillis is expecting a bit too much for him in trade !! Its a game the GM's are playing..like chess. Who wins will be the guy with the best game plan.
I think cap space is a huge consideration for the Canucks, if they want to add an expensive forward to the mix. Another valid reason to dump Lous salery.
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 12:01 PM

its hard to criticize when we dont know what fla is countering with...we know van wants bjugstad or gudbranson but what is fla or any other teams counter offer....?

until we get a report on what teams are offering, noone can rightfully criticize this whole situation

but luongo isnt worth bjugstad, gudbranson, gardiner or any other young quality prospect
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 12:01 PM

However, Gillis can indeed afford to be patient. Nothing wrong with that.


He can?

We have no 2nd line C until December, we have a cyclops for our 3rd line C, and we have serious questions regarding our scoring.

There is a LOT of work to do. And, again, I'll remind you that we're currently the 2011-12 team, MINUS Rome, MINUS Salo, plus Garrison. That is a team that has gotten worse. Patience is not something that's going to work here, Gillis needs to act.
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 12:06 PM

great article..... Im sure offers are on the way. GM's are like used car salesman.


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Posted 06 August 2012 - 12:11 PM

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He can?

We have no 2nd line C until December, we have a cyclops for our 3rd line C, and we have serious questions regarding our scoring.

There is a LOT of work to do. And, again, I'll remind you that we're currently the 2011-12 team, MINUS Rome, MINUS Salo, plus Garrison. That is a team that has gotten worse. Patience is not something that's going to work here, Gillis needs to act.

Sure. The Kings scraped their way into the playoffs and became cup champs. So let's burn rubber in August, right?

Typical 'what have you done for me this week' nonsense.
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 12:11 PM

This will define MG for years to come. And it was Gillis that partly is to blame for putting himself in this situation ie. long drawn out contract.
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 12:21 PM

Sure. The Kings scraped their way into the playoffs and became cup champs. So let's burn rubber in August, right?

Typical 'what have you done for me this week' nonsense.


Yeah, let's use one 8th seed winning the Cup as a justification for lethargy on a veteran team that should be focused on winning now.

A low probability event happening is still low probability. But I'm glad to see that you're finally conceding the fact that we're currently worse than what we were last year, which is what I've been saying for a long time.
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 12:24 PM

This will define MG for years to come. And it was Gillis that partly is to blame for putting himself in this situation ie. long drawn out contract.


Partly? More like ENTIRELY!

He signals unflappable confidence in Luongo by giving him a 12-year deal, but then doesn't even trade the 1st round hotshot who's making noise in the AHL and is ready for make a jump to the pros. Said hotshot plays very good in the NHL, which is expected. As is always the case, the local fans want the new guy, who's younger, cheaper, and they haven't experienced deep pain with (yet).

Fans get their wish, and now Luongo, who's still a very good goalie, is being run out of town, and Florida is currently hanging up when all that we're asking for is a mid-level 1st round pick. Pretty sad, and a cautionary tale of how NOT to handle a star goalie.

And, clearly, Gillis is to blame.
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 12:27 PM

MG's strategy is a good one but lui has to be gone by training camp.... all there is to it.


One of our goalies will be gone by the trade deadline (Luongo).

No need to rush things. Just wait for another team to falter and/or have Lou P.O.'d that he has splinters in his bum.
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