nuck nit Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 How? Garrison is a huge upgrade over Salo and Rome put together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHL Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 If by "interesting", you mean "horse bleep", sure. You can't "drive up" somebody's value in the NHL. You're not an institution buying stock. Cody still had to go out and make all the plays that he did. Cody had to go out and win all the faceoffs. Etc. This is a stupid, spiteful premise to take. Gillis is essentially saying that Hodgson sucks, and that he was a creation of the Vancouver Canucks - OK, Mike, we'll see about that one. BTW, speaking of values, how sad is it that perennial top-10 goaltender Roberto Luongo can't even get back some mid-1st rounder from a team already loaded with youth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHL Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 He can? We have no 2nd line C until December, we have a cyclops for our 3rd line C, and we have serious questions regarding our scoring. There is a LOT of work to do. And, again, I'll remind you that we're currently the 2011-12 team, MINUS Rome, MINUS Salo, plus Garrison. That is a team that has gotten worse. Patience is not something that's going to work here, Gillis needs to act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHL Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 While I still believe Luongo can make a lot of teams better, I'm not so sure that he holds the magic that he once had in the League. Teams have found his weaknesses and constantly exploit them, and no longer fear facing him. If this is true, then maybe Gillis is expecting a bit too much for him in trade !! Its a game the GM's are playing..like chess. Who wins will be the guy with the best game plan. I think cap space is a huge consideration for the Canucks, if they want to add an expensive forward to the mix. Another valid reason to dump Lous salery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 You can argue Garrison's youth makes him more attractive but he is not as adept as Sami offensively and he is being paid the equivelant of two Salo's and two Rome's for this year over the Salo/Rome payment last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 Agreed but Gillis has been getting away with lowballing long term Canuck faithfuls like Sami for years now and Gillis might have begun to think a gift had become his right.Now that is ending. If I was Salo and saw what Ballard and Bieksa make I would not be waiting around to be lowballed yet again so Mike can save dough and blow it on another head injured forward like Booth for 4.5 million or whatever. At a certain point in time the honeymoon period ends and it appears the Gillis honeymoon has now ended. Mike has a two year window so he better get with it.Hockey in Vancouver will be very good but Gillis' reputation will not be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kylecanuck Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 It might not be from FL? Well, that is for Luongo to decide isn't it. Luongo's decision is not about Vancouver getting the best return, it's about where he wants to play, and guess what, it's pretty much down to FL which leaves MG with no bargaining power. Oh yes, MG is looking forward to starting next season with Luongo as the back up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 What the heck do those stats mean, anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 Sure. Why not be MINUS Luongo too and tank because we don't have goaltending. Oh yeah. The Canucks have Schneider the savior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 What fans do not consider is what was promised Luongo and how he was treated by management. That will decide what Luo decides to do and how he does it. The ball is in Luo's court.The guy has so much dough he can retire for a season like Thomas and just hang out at home in Florida and watch Panther and Lightening games.Bond with his daughter,eat spaghetti and enjoy life in the sun. Beats the rain and putting up with the nonsense he is about to endure coming back here.He already packed and left and he ain't coming back.That was stated months ago for those that haven't heard. Only the Gillis spin is sucked up and replayed by those that don't pay attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure1994Mclean Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 Hold out until the trade deadline, some sucker will be willing to overpay for his services. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry_Wilkins Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 Exactly.Now he has a p'd off franchise goaltender that has been thrown under the bus and he won't be dictated to. Gillis is under immense pressure and the Luongo risk is that he is a cancer in the room come September that WON'T END. He wants to go now as Mike has decreed it so.Now Mike is going to learn that it is not all Mike's World. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NucksBruins Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 Agreed but Gillis has been getting away with lowballing long term Canuck faithfuls like Sami for years now and Gillis might have begun to think a gift had become his right.Now that is ending. If I was Salo and saw what Ballard and Bieksa make I would not be waiting around to be lowballed yet again so Mike can save dough and blow it on another head injured forward like Booth for 4.5 million or whatever. At a certain point in time the honeymoon period ends and it appears the Gillis honeymoon has now ended. Mike has a two year window so he better get with it.Hockey in Vancouver will be very good but Gillis' reputation will not be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 As long as we're playing hypothetical amateur psychologists, there's also the possibility that Luongo "caves" first (granting that your fantasy plays out as you define it), and that he'll very quickly get frustrated with sitting ten in a row in November while hearing catcalls at the end of the bench from opposing teams' fans (plus some of the hometown fans). That limited destination list will then begin to expand like John Davidson's waistline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 Salo -Paid two million by Gillis.Now making double what Mikey dictated to pay him. Rome-Paid $750k by Gillis.Now making $1.5 million-another double over Mikey. Garrison-$5.5 million this year,$6.5 next year. $700k last year.Highest paid Canuck signs a six year ,no trade after one statistically fine season. You can argue Garrison's youth makes him more attractive but he is not as adept as Sami offensively and he is being paid the equivelant of two Salo's and two Rome's for this year over the Salo/Rome payment last year. Next year Garrison will make the equivelant of 2.25 Salo's and 2.25 Romes. Believe me,the guy is not worth 2.25 Salo's,alone.Never mind the six year deal and the fact you don't pay a Rome equivelant for another 2.25 years with your savings. It is a case of Mikey lowballing guys and guys are getting tired of his act.So,they are leaving and now Mikey has to pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tearloch7 Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 I think Sami is pretty adept all-around. He's going to be missed, you watch and see. One of the most well-rounded guys we've had in a long, long time. Would've been WAY smarter to just give him his 2 years, instead of heavily invest in a risky asset like Garrison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cIutch Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 I like that MG is playing hardball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 Mike has a two year window? Why? A lot of players on this team are in their prime or entering their prime years. If the Sedins retire or leave, the money is there to sign replacements. Why is there a panic that this team has to win NOW or it will never happen? Mike's formula and bargaining position was supported by lights out goal tending and the fact the vast majority of players took discounts to play here. Luongo is not the goaltender he was after his successive groin injuries and is now gone.Luongo in his prime here attracted players and kept players here with the odds of winning a cup that much greater. Additionally,the 'hometown discount' window appears to have a crack in it.Players as recent as Salo and Rome are taking better offers to play elsewhere. That is a division that is different as Salo was a long time ,venerated Canuck.For every Hamhuis and Garrison there are Weber's and Schultz's. Finally,Mike has a two year contract and the owners have stated a cup is their goal.Mike will have had six years with arguably the best Canucks team in franchise history to fulfill the task. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry_Wilkins Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 Luongo has already stated he will not come back to Vancouver.This was broadcast on NW months ago by the 'In Goal Magazine' writer that had a lengthy conversation with Luo just prior to leaving Vancouver. Will Lou come back to Vancouver to ride the pine? He has already stated he won't and does not have to.He can sit out as long as he wants to. Luo has stated what his intentions are.It is Gillis that has to create a return for an asset he has blown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 Barry ,I am just telling you what Luo stated ,according to the piece on NW. Believe it or not.Maybe he changes his mind but that was his position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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