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#1 Hunter Shinkaruk #9

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 05:27 PM

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Its something that is pretty obvious.

- He was played as a top-4 defenseman in Phoenix & Florida, got to penalty kill and play the power play
- He was paired with some good players as well in Michalek, Morris, McCabe & Seidenberg
- He is also pretty darn tough and fought a lot of tough players in his career
- He can rush the puck like no other up the ice and has great vision


There is just one thing missing from his game that we need: POWER PLAY

He now has developed a VERY GOOD defensive game. He just needs to have some offensive time back and then he'll definitely be worth his $4.2 million.

He needs to be used on the 2nd unit. He passes the puck so well on the power play and has a good slap shot and wrist shot to boot.

These videos aren't all power play goals, but they show that he has incredible offensive instincts.

Great rush:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ttn70jaBkAc

Amazing effort in front of the net:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VR7C89Vm34I

BIG slap shot:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZdGAXKZO7w

And of course, this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJOXeW3r4io



All in all, I hope we keep Ballard and use him more on the power play.

He would really help either unit!


Sedin Sedin Kesler
Edler/Ballard Garrison

Booth ???? Burrows
Ballard/Hamhuis Bieksa


EDIT: He averaged around 2 goals and 10 assists per 82 games on the power play before he came to Vancouver.

He also averaged over 1 shorthanded goal and 2 shorthanded per 82 games assists before he came here.

Good special teams guy to have (if used properly)!

Edited by Frédéric Chopin, 06 August 2012 - 06:11 PM.

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 05:30 PM

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 05:31 PM

Come on Apples, you can do it.

Edit: There we go!

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 05:33 PM

Sure, why not? early in the season (if there is a season) give it a try and see what works
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 05:38 PM

Well, we have Edler, Garrison, and Bieksa ahead of him on the Powerplay, but he could go ahead of Hamhuis...
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 05:38 PM

It's entirely true.

Ballard didn't suddenly go from being capable of playing 20+ minutes per game with regular PP time, to being unusable in the span of a summer.

A coach needs to give a player the opportunity to do what he has done throughout his career, to be successful. AV gave Ballard 10 minutes of PP time in an entire season... of course Rome got more...

Ballard is perfect for being used on the 3rd pair while getting PP time (and PK as he is a huge shot blocker). If he is actually given the real opportunity, we'll see ballard play the way he did everywhere else, BEFORE getting coached into a mess by AV...
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 05:41 PM

The coast to coast! WOW!!!
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 05:42 PM

LOL! he scored on his on net and slashed vokuon in the head. But i believe if he gets more mins & ppl time, 20 pts. i really like his defensive play tooooo.
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 05:47 PM

FIRE AV
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 05:47 PM

i've been trying to say for some time Ballard is capable of a lot more if given the chance, like on the PP. But unfortunately, with the coach we have, that wont be happening. Look for Ballard to be shipped out sometime this off-season.
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 05:52 PM

he is not and wont be worth $4.2 M, but he does provide solid defensive depth as a #5 dman.

i would give him a shot on the PP but we already have Garrison, Edler, Hamhuis, and Bieksa who have proven they can play on the blueline on the PP
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 05:55 PM

no....we will never get full value for ballard

some of you might remember when rome got pp time over ballard when rome was playing in his first game coming off a injury...that was the last straw, ever since that game ballard and the canucks relationship was all but over and both of them have been wasting their time ever since

cut your losses mg, send ballard to a team where he can salvage his career...you arent doing him any favors having him playing 12 minutes a night and its not helping the team either....you could get a player at a quarter of his salary to play the exact same minutes and get the same results
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 06:00 PM

dear keith ballard lovers.....you are insane!
keith ballard has a terrible point shot and can't hit the net. he is incapable of playing the power play.

keith ballard had the worst shooting percentage on the entire canucks roster last season:
2011-2012 - Regular Season - Vancouver Canucks - Skater - Summary - Points Player Team Pos GP G A P +/- PIM PP SH GW OT S S% TOI/G Sft/G FO%

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1 Henrik Sedin VAN C 82 14 67 81 +23 52 8 0 6 0 113 12.4 19:05 24.8 50.1 2 Daniel Sedin VAN L 72 30 37 67 +14 40 10 0 6 2 229 13.1 18:48 25.0 31.6 3 Alexandre Burrows VAN L 80 28 24 52 +24 90 3 2 7 0 198 14.1 18:28 25.8 35.0 4 Ryan Kesler VAN C 77 22 27 49 +11 56 8 1 1 0 222 9.9 20:05 25.8 53.6 5 Alexander Edler VAN D 82 11 38 49 +0 34 5 1 0 0 228 4.8 23:51 28.9 0.0 6 Kevin Bieksa VAN D 78 8 36 44 +12 94 2 0 2 0 166 4.8 23:38 28.2 0.0 7 Chris Higgins VAN L 71 18 25 43 +11 16 1 1 4 2 165 10.9 16:18 23.5 40.0 8 Jannik Hansen VAN R 82 16 23 39 +18 34 0 1 1 0 137 11.7 14:53 22.3 41.4 9 Dan Hamhuis VAN D 82 4 33 37 +29 46 1 0 0 0 140 2.9 23:25 28.8 0.0 10 David Booth FLA, VAN L 62 16 14 30 -5 34 3 0 1 0 159 10.1 14:55 20.7 50.0 11 Sami Salo VAN D 69 9 16 25 +7 10 7 0 3 1 136 6.6 20:26 27.8 0.0 12 Mason Raymond VAN L 55 10 10 20 +4 18 1 1 2 0 125 8.0 15:35 22.2 28.0 13 Maxim Lapierre VAN C 82 9 10 19 -3 130 0 0 0 0 103 8.7 11:13 17.6 52.1 14 Manny Malhotra VAN C 78 7 11 18 -11 14 0 0 2 0 60 11.7 12:20 20.9 58.5 15 Samuel Pahlsson CBJ, VAN C 80 4 13 17 -2 34 0 1 1 0 93 4.3 14:46 21.4 52.6 16 Marc-Andre Gragnani BUF, VAN D 58 2 13 15 +6 26 1 0 0 0 47 4.3 16:08 21.0 100.0 17 Aaron Rome VAN D 43 4 6 10 -4 46 1 0 1 0 42 9.5 15:13 20.3 0.0 18 Zack Kassian BUF, VAN R 44 4 6 10 -2 51 0 0 0 0 54 7.4 11:17 15.0 47.8 19 Dale Weise VAN R 68 4 4 8 -1 81 0 0 0 0 48 8.3 8:09 13.2 0.0 20 Keith Ballard VAN D 47 1 6 7 +0 64 0 0 0 0 41 2.4 15:33 21.4 0.0 21 Andrew Ebbett VAN C 18 5 1 6 +2 6 1 0 2 2 27 18.5 9:35 14.6 53.6 22 Byron Bitz VAN R 10 1 3 4 +2 14 0 0 0 0 6 16.7 10:29 17.4 0.0 23 Andrew Alberts VAN D 44 2 1 3 +4 40 0 0 2 0 19 10.5 14:17 19.7 0.0 24 Christopher Tanev VAN D 25 0 2 2 +10 2 0 0 0 0 15 0.0 16:43 22.4 0.0 25 Mike Duco VAN R 6 0 2 2 +1 5 0 0 0 0 4 0.0 8:03 13.2 0.0 26 Aaron Volpatti VAN L 23 1 0 1 -2 37 0 0 0 0 17 5.9 8:58 13.6 100.0 27 Mark Mancari VAN R 6 0 0 0 +0 0 0 0 0 0 5 0.0 8:18 13.0 0.0 28 Bill Sweatt VAN L 2 0 0 0 +0 0 0 0 0 0 2 0.0 5:20 9.0 0.0 29 Victor Oreskovich VAN R 1 0 0 0 +0 7 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 6:17 9.0 0.0

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 06:11 PM

Ballard was a top 2 D-man on a bottom of the basement, Southern US team. He's a 3rd pairing D on an elite Canadian team. Ballard fan boys need to just get over it. He hasn't come close to outplaying our other D-men, while being on a bottom pairing against typically the other team's crap players and playing far fewer minutes to get fatigued.

I hope he steps it up this year and has a great season with Tanev, but he's not a top 4 on this team and he's a waste of money for what we get out of him.

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 06:15 PM

no....we will never get full value for ballard

some of you might remember when rome got pp time over ballard when rome was playing in his first game coming off a injury...that was the last straw, ever since that game ballard and the canucks relationship was all but over and both of them have been wasting their time ever since

cut your losses mg, send ballard to a team where he can salvage his career...you arent doing him any favors having him playing 12 minutes a night and its not helping the team either....you could get a player at a quarter of his salary to play the exact same minutes and get the same results

Rome got some powerplay time because after coming back from the injury he was scoring goals like never before (something like 3 goals in 4 games) I would say Rome earned his powerplay time. What has Ballard ever done to earn powerplay time? Yah he was good on other teams but that was on other teams. Ballard has 14 points in 112 games with the Canucks, he has not earned powerplay time. Now I don't mean to sound like I'm hating on the guy, I hope we keep him and he can prove me wrong but for right now if I was AV I would put Hamhuis on the powerplay (who had 37 points last as our top shutdown defenceman) over Ballard.
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 06:16 PM

Ballard was a top 2 D-man on a bottom of the basement, Southern US team. He's a 3rd pairing D on an elite Canadian team. Ballard fan boys need to just get over it. He hasn't come close to outplaying our other D-men, while being on a bottom pairing against typically the other team's crap players and playing far fewer minutes to get fatigued.

I hope he steps it up this year and has a great season with Tanev, but he's not a top 4 on this team and he's a waste of money for what we get out of him.

What does American and Canadian have to do with this?

Edited by ButterBean, 06 August 2012 - 06:28 PM.

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 06:17 PM

That coast to coast goal is impressive. I don't think I've ever seen Ballard skate that fast in a Canucks uni, or handle the puck that well.
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 06:19 PM

What does American and Canadian have to do with this?


The pressure of playing in a market such as Florida is completely different from the pressures of playing somewhere like Vancouver or Toronto. That's all I meant. Some players play well under pressure some crumble.
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 06:28 PM

I would agree with you that Ballard would be good on the powerplay but Edler, Garrison, Bieksa and Hamhuis (underrated offensively) are ahead of him on the depth chart in this area.

If the powerplay starts struggling, I would absolutely put him out there though.
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 06:34 PM

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It's entirely true.

Ballard didn't suddenly go from being capable of playing 20+ minutes per game with regular PP time, to being unusable in the span of a summer.

A coach needs to give a player the opportunity to do what he has done throughout his career, to be successful. AV gave Ballard 10 minutes of PP time in an entire season... of course Rome got more...

Ballard is perfect for being used on the 3rd pair while getting PP time (and PK as he is a huge shot blocker). If he is actually given the real opportunity, we'll see ballard play the way he did everywhere else, BEFORE getting coached into a mess by AV...


Ballard was given plenty of opportunities at PP, PK and 5 on 5, with almost every d-partner AV could put him with. He didn't live up to his billing in the first season here, but was better in the 2nd season. If he continues to play as he did in the playoffs, then the coaching staff won't have the reasons they did before to not play him in an expanded role. Until he's to show that, he'll be used in a limited defencive role. I wish him the best and hope he can justify getting PP time with his play, but it's up to him to earn it now,
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 06:47 PM

Ballard hasn't been used properly right from the get go, while other dman made mistakes over and over they never had their ice time cut in half. Ballard makes one mistake he rides the bench then the next game he is up in the press box. While his first season he was battling injuries and did come into camp over weight, he was in AV dog house every step of the season. I believe Ballard could be used in the top 4 pairing, after all Bieksa is one of the Dman that make countless mistakes.
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 06:51 PM

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It's entirely true.

Ballard didn't suddenly go from being capable of playing 20+ minutes per game with regular PP time, to being unusable in the span of a summer.

A coach needs to give a player the opportunity to do what he has done throughout his career, to be successful. AV gave Ballard 10 minutes of PP time in an entire season... of course Rome got more...

Ballard is perfect for being used on the 3rd pair while getting PP time (and PK as he is a huge shot blocker). If he is actually given the real opportunity, we'll see ballard play the way he did everywhere else, BEFORE getting coached into a mess by AV...


If you haven't noticed, AV tends to do certain things to players who come from other teams/rookies and haven't played in his system.

1. He tears them down, kind of a purging of the bad habits they may have learned on weaker teams, didn't play in more disciplined two way systems (see Ballard, Booth etc). Guys like Lappy and Higgins fit right in because they were defensively responsible players. See CoHo and Kassian. This can impact their short term confidence because they over think, they stop playing the offensive game they are used to, and don't feel like they are contributing.

2. He then forces them to earn their ice by playing within the system.

3. As they show they can play both ways, accept the team concept he gives them more ice. Then the confidence starts coming back and their offensive game thrives as if you play well in your own end, you get more chances. He did this with Kesler, with Burrows, Naslund (didn't work, too late to change his game) etc.

I think we are starting to see that with Ballard, that his defensive game is coming around and he will see more ice as he continues to play within the team concept. Booth we shall see what happens this year.

But this is simply good coaching, its called getting / training players to buy into the system, and this is why we have won back to back president's trophies.

AV is not a problem he is a terrific coach and knows what he is doing.

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 06:53 PM

i would rather have him on the pp than bieksa. all bieksa does is take a wrist shot lol
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 07:05 PM

Maybe on another team but I just don't see him playing like he's worth 4.2 for us.
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 07:07 PM

i would rather have him on the pp than bieksa. all bieksa does is take a wrist shot lol

The defenceman shoots the puck on the powerplay? We can't be having that.
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 07:13 PM

i would rather have him on the pp than bieksa. all bieksa does is take a wrist shot lol

Yes. Because we all know shooting on the powerplay is a bad thing.
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dear keith ballard lovers.....you are insane!
keith ballard has a terrible point shot and can't hit the net. he is incapable of playing the power play.

keith ballard had the worst shooting percentage on the entire canucks roster last season:
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1 Henrik Sedin VAN C 82 14 67 81 +23 52 8 0 6 0 113 12.4 19:05 24.8 50.1 2 Daniel Sedin VAN L 72 30 37 67 +14 40 10 0 6 2 229 13.1 18:48 25.0 31.6 3 Alexandre Burrows VAN L 80 28 24 52 +24 90 3 2 7 0 198 14.1 18:28 25.8 35.0 4 Ryan Kesler VAN C 77 22 27 49 +11 56 8 1 1 0 222 9.9 20:05 25.8 53.6 5 Alexander Edler VAN D 82 11 38 49 +0 34 5 1 0 0 228 4.8 23:51 28.9 0.0 6 Kevin Bieksa VAN D 78 8 36 44 +12 94 2 0 2 0 166 4.8 23:38 28.2 0.0 7 Chris Higgins VAN L 71 18 25 43 +11 16 1 1 4 2 165 10.9 16:18 23.5 40.0 8 Jannik Hansen VAN R 82 16 23 39 +18 34 0 1 1 0 137 11.7 14:53 22.3 41.4 9 Dan Hamhuis VAN D 82 4 33 37 +29 46 1 0 0 0 140 2.9 23:25 28.8 0.0 10 David Booth FLA, VAN L 62 16 14 30 -5 34 3 0 1 0 159 10.1 14:55 20.7 50.0 11 Sami Salo VAN D 69 9 16 25 +7 10 7 0 3 1 136 6.6 20:26 27.8 0.0 12 Mason Raymond VAN L 55 10 10 20 +4 18 1 1 2 0 125 8.0 15:35 22.2 28.0 13 Maxim Lapierre VAN C 82 9 10 19 -3 130 0 0 0 0 103 8.7 11:13 17.6 52.1 14 Manny Malhotra VAN C 78 7 11 18 -11 14 0 0 2 0 60 11.7 12:20 20.9 58.5 15 Samuel Pahlsson CBJ, VAN C 80 4 13 17 -2 34 0 1 1 0 93 4.3 14:46 21.4 52.6 16 Marc-Andre Gragnani BUF, VAN D 58 2 13 15 +6 26 1 0 0 0 47 4.3 16:08 21.0 100.0 17 Aaron Rome VAN D 43 4 6 10 -4 46 1 0 1 0 42 9.5 15:13 20.3 0.0 18 Zack Kassian BUF, VAN R 44 4 6 10 -2 51 0 0 0 0 54 7.4 11:17 15.0 47.8 19 Dale Weise VAN R 68 4 4 8 -1 81 0 0 0 0 48 8.3 8:09 13.2 0.0 20 Keith Ballard VAN D 47 1 6 7 +0 64 0 0 0 0 41 2.4 15:33 21.4 0.0 21 Andrew Ebbett VAN C 18 5 1 6 +2 6 1 0 2 2 27 18.5 9:35 14.6 53.6 22 Byron Bitz VAN R 10 1 3 4 +2 14 0 0 0 0 6 16.7 10:29 17.4 0.0 23 Andrew Alberts VAN D 44 2 1 3 +4 40 0 0 2 0 19 10.5 14:17 19.7 0.0 24 Christopher Tanev VAN D 25 0 2 2 +10 2 0 0 0 0 15 0.0 16:43 22.4 0.0 25 Mike Duco VAN R 6 0 2 2 +1 5 0 0 0 0 4 0.0 8:03 13.2 0.0 26 Aaron Volpatti VAN L 23 1 0 1 -2 37 0 0 0 0 17 5.9 8:58 13.6 100.0 27 Mark Mancari VAN R 6 0 0 0 +0 0 0 0 0 0 5 0.0 8:18 13.0 0.0 28 Bill Sweatt VAN L 2 0 0 0 +0 0 0 0 0 0 2 0.0 5:20 9.0 0.0 29 Victor Oreskovich VAN R 1 0 0 0 +0 7 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 6:17 9.0 0.0


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Posted 06 August 2012 - 08:09 PM

Rome got some powerplay time because after coming back from the injury he was scoring goals like never before (something like 3 goals in 4 games) I would say Rome earned his powerplay time. What has Ballard ever done to earn powerplay time? Yah he was good on other teams but that was on other teams. Ballard has 14 points in 112 games with the Canucks, he has not earned powerplay time. Now I don't mean to sound like I'm hating on the guy, I hope we keep him and he can prove me wrong but for right now if I was AV I would put Hamhuis on the powerplay (who had 37 points last as our top shutdown defenceman) over Ballard.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_mV5fIlX-k

boom....it was his first game of the year

rome has always been favoured over ballard....no matter what

he plays his first game of the year AND HE GETS POWERPLAY TIME?!?!?! WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT PICTURE??!?!?!?

i mean come on, he has absolutely no history of offensive power and he gets powerplay time over a guy who has gotten roughly 30 points in his previous 5 nhl seasons with different clubs....it sounded like a great oppurtunity to GIVE HIM A CHANCE....ballard, right from the get go was never given consistent pp time to get in a groove

Edited by billabong, 06 August 2012 - 08:15 PM.

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 08:10 PM

It's entirely true.

Ballard didn't suddenly go from being capable of playing 20+ minutes per game with regular PP time, to being unusable in the span of a summer.

A coach needs to give a player the opportunity to do what he has done throughout his career, to be successful. AV gave Ballard 10 minutes of PP time in an entire season... of course Rome got more...

Ballard is perfect for being used on the 3rd pair while getting PP time (and PK as he is a huge shot blocker). If he is actually given the real opportunity, we'll see ballard play the way he did everywhere else, BEFORE getting coached into a mess by AV...


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Posted 06 August 2012 - 08:11 PM

Ballard is not worth $4.2m, end of story. He has been paid that for the last two seasons and by my math probably owes the Aqualini's about $6m just for sucking in his own end.
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