Special Ed Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 So if a child does harm to someone as a result of their underdeveloped mental abilities, should they also be subjected to the same harm they caused another because they could potentially still pose a risk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 "With DNA testing nowdays a" All dna testing does is prove someone's dna is at the crime scene. This can be planted by anyone that has used my washroom and pulls hair off of my hair brush and saves it for just that reason. also eye witnesses are not as reliable as most think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Ed Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Humans and dogs are not the same, not by any government standard. I understand how the lines can be blurred in situations of euthanasia and animal rights, but by no means is there ever a sound argument that is backed by viewing humans are similar to animals. What Sharpshooter (I think) is getting at, is exactly this difference. Just because there may be a recurrent risk of the mentally incapable man in question, we shouldn't have the right to treat them like a recurrent violent animal. I believe the best example was comparing this man to a child who is also incapable of knowing right or wrong. Mind you, that I say this in the light that the perpetrator is 100% telling the truth about his condition. If it was all a scheme to avoid capital punsihment, then that is another case. I for one am still against capital punishment, so my response will be as such to rehabilitate or have life without parole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Really? A child? In the most likely senario a child is unable to actually harm someone to begin with. What age group are you referring to here because that sounds a little rediculous to me. And what harm would the child actually be capable of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Humans and dogs are not the same, not by any government standard. I understand how the lines can be blurred in situations of euthanasia and animal rights, but by no means is there ever a sound argument that is backed by viewing humans are similar to animals. What Sharpshooter (I think) is getting at, is exactly this difference. Just because there may be a recurrent risk of the mentally incapable man in question, we shouldn't have the right to treat them like a recurrent violent animal. I believe the best example was comparing this man to a child who is also incapable of knowing right or wrong. Mind you, that I say this in the light that the perpetrator is 100% telling the truth about his condition. If it was all a scheme to avoid capital punsihment, then that is another case. I for one am still against capital punishment, so my response will be as such to rehabilitate or have life without parole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Ed Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Yep a child....you know, with the same mental and intellectual qualities that this person who was executed had the equivalency of, or dogs. A child can pull the trigger of a gun just as easily as an adult killing their parent or sibling. There are ample news reports as evidence of such events. So, should we kill them in turn too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Ed Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Please don't help him.....let's see if our resident 'lawyer' can put his 'formidable' critical thought and analysis prowess to some use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddhas Hand Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Eugenics: Compulsory Sterilization in 50 American States American eugenicsrefers inter alia tocompulsory sterilization laws adopted by over 30 states that led to more than 60,000 sterilizations of disabled individuals. Many of these individuals were sterilized because of a disability: they were mentally disabled or ill, or belonged tosocially disadvantaged groups living on the margins of society. American eugenic laws and practices implemented in the first decades of the twentieth century influenced the much larger National Socialist compulsory sterilization program, which between 1934 and 1945 led to approximately 350,000 compulsory sterilizations and was a stepping stone to the Holocaust. Even after the details of the Nazi sterilization program (as well as its role as a precursor to the "Euthanasia" murders) became more widely known after World War II (and which the New York Times had reported on extensively and in great detail even before its implementation in 1934), sterilizations in some American states did not stop. Some states continued to sterilize residents into the 1970s. While Germany has taken important steps to commemorate the horrors of its past, including compulsory sterilization (however belatedly), the United States arguably has not when it comes to eugenics. For some states, there still is a paucity of reliable studies that show how and where sterilizations occurred. Hospitals, asylums, and other places where sterilizations were performed have so far typically chosen not to document that aspect of their history. Moreover, until now there has never been a website providing an easily accessible overview of American eugenics for all American states. This site provides such an overview. For each state for which information is available (see below), there is a short account of the number of victims(based on a variety of data sources), the known period during which sterilizations occurred, the temporal pattern of sterilizations and rate of sterilization, thepassage of law(s), groups indentified in the law, theprescribedprocess of the law, precipitating factorsand processes that led up a state’s sterilization program, the groups targeted and victimized,other restrictions placed on those identified in the law or with disabilities in general, major proponents of state eugenic sterilization, “feeder institutions” and institutions where sterilizations were performed, andoppositionto sterilization. A short bibliographyis also provided. While this research project was initially intended to give short accounts for each state, it quickly moved beyond this goal. For those states for which detailed monograph-length studies are availabe, it merely summarizes existing scholarship, but for other states for which such information is not readily available, it establishes the core parameters within which a state's eugenic sterilizations were carried out. As part of this research the current state of the facilities where sterilizations occurred or that served as feeder institutions is addressed. This research brought into relief one particular piece of information that might not be known even to the specialists in the field. In Nazi Germany, during the peak years of sterilization between 1934 and 1939, approximately 75-80 sterilizations occurred per year per 100,000 residents. In Delaware, during the peak period of sterilizations (late 1920s to late 1930s), the rate was 18, about one fourth to one fifth of Germany's during its peak period, or half of Bavaria’s in 1936.[1] While the difference in the sterilization rate for a totalitarian regime with a federal sterilization law soon to commit mass murder on a historically unprecedented scale and a democratically governed state in a democratic nation remains significant,[2]it is much smaller than one might perhaps expect. Contributions to this project were made by sophomore honors students at the University of Vermont as part of an Honors College course on Disability as Deviance. These students wrote up the primary accounts, which were then edited and amended by Lutz Kaelber, Associate Professor of Sociology, University of Vermont, who is solely responsible for its contents and any errors or omissions. Research that went into this project was supported in parts by grants of the College of Arts and Science’s Dean’s Office and the Center for Teaching and Learning, and by funds of the University of Vermont's Honors College. Update 2011: A new group of studentsin the Honors College at the University of Vermont, together with students in a senior-level sociology course, took on the project of revising and updating all existing states' webpages. This project was commenced in the fall of 2010 and concluded in the spring of 2011. The literature under consideration was expanded to include many undergraduate, master's, and doctoral theses at various institutions, as well as the most recent available scholarly literature and journalistic reports. Web-based information was also updated. Note: Not addressed here is the controversial topic of sterilizations of Native Americansin the 1970s, which by some accounts led to sterilization rates of more than 25% among wome of child-bearing age. A student in my Independent Study course, wrote a paper on this topic (here). Alabama Alaska Arizona Arkansas California Colorado Connecticut Delaware Florida Georgia Hawaii Idaho Illinois Indiana Iowa Kansas Kentucky Louisiana Maine Maryland Massachusetts Michigan Minnesota Mississippi Missouri Montana Nebraska Nevada New Hampshire New Jersey New Mexico New York North Carolina North Dakota Ohio Oklahoma Oregon Pennsylvania Rhode Island South Carolina South Dakota Tennessee Texas Utah Vermont Virginia Washington West Virginia Wisconsin Wyoming shoot them , sterilise them , land of the free home of the redkneck . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vancanfan Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 So our system of punishment and rehabilitation should be built around vengeance and making the victim's family feel better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddhas Hand Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 You keep trying to bring my occupation into this as mockery. I'm sure that if you had the guts to mention yours I could have a few laughs as well. But then again so many insults over the Internet would undoubtably be silenced in person. I love having real conversations in person where people are too afraid to say what's really on their mind. Best to keep it behind the keyboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 If you're going to mention it may as well provide your 'ample' new reports as evidence. In comparison to this case of course. I'm curious to see the similarities you speak of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddhas Hand Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Use the Google. It's all there. If you're a lawyer then I'm the Pope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Kill somebody, you forfeit your right to live. Just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Ed Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Use the Google. It's all there. If you're a lawyer then I'm the Pope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Yawn. Keep dodging. I'm mobile now and have a bit of work to do. I'm not going to bother getting into a children vrs mentally challenged adults with you. Since you seem more intent on playing kids games here. Keep up the predictable keyboard insults though. You will earn that sticker soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slaytanic Wehrmacht Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 How can you tell when a lawyer is lying? When his lips are moving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 How can you tell when a lawyer is lying? When his lips are moving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Evil Twin Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Yawn. Keep dodging. I'm mobile now and have a bit of work to do. I'm not going to bother getting into a children vrs mentally challenged adults with you. Since you seem more intent on playing kids games here. Keep up the predictable keyboard insults though. You will earn that sticker soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Evil Twin Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 How can you tell when a lawyer is lying? When his lips are moving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slaytanic Wehrmacht Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Hey, I actually intend to be a lawyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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