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#1 carlweezer

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 11:44 AM

Gmmg is obviously trying to fill a top 6 hole that he thinks will put the nux over the hump in Doan. Obviously gmmg isnt content with going another year w. Top 6 tweeners like higgins, rAymond, kassian flanking Kesler and Booth.

We know gmmg is a patient, calculated man so he for sure has a plan b if we dont get Doan. So what is it? Is there another player we can target available for trade that is in the same mold as Doan. Guys like Clowe, Simmonds or Hartnell. I doubt these 3 are available. When we lost to the Hawks and they won the cup Gillis saw how the nhl game was being called, it benifited trNsition fast skating teams. We made changes and traded for Ehrhoff, Higgins, Lappy etc. Now he has made comments about how the nhl is changing again and w. Bruins and Kings winning the last 2 cups u can bet gillis is going to make us a bigger more bruising team.


Also i dont believe Arnott is our backup plan if we dont get Doan. If anything he is our safety plan for keslers injury. He doesnt answer what gmmg is looking for in a top 6 rols. Also for those who wants arnott in a nux jersey, this guy is a notorious AHOLE to rookies and young players. Arnott thinks they are trying to take over his job. He is the oppoIte of a mentor someone u wouldnt want around kass, schroeder or jensen.

So whats our backup plan folks? I doubt the lu trade will attain us a top 6 forward unless we package him w. An edler or tanev. That just fills a hole by creating a hole. Who can we realistically trade for to solidify our top 6 come playoff time. Sedin Sedin Burr Kes Booth X ????

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 11:48 AM

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I hate to say it but trading Schneids would still allow us to have an elite goalie and attain a top 6 impact player, something a Lu trade probably wont do

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 11:50 AM

The backup plan is out current roster and prospects.
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 11:54 AM

The backup plan is out current roster and prospects.


Current roster isnt good enough is obviously how gmmg feels otherwise we wouldnt be goin so hard after Doan. Our prospects are about 2 years away from making an impact, guys like jensen and kass
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 11:59 AM

First thought is that Luongo would be a cap dump if Doan signs. If Doan doesn't sign, then Luongo would be traded for an overpriced top-6. Who? Not sure.

But if Doan is truly not going to sign for anything less than $7mil per for 4yrs, then you can say goodbye to Doan.
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 12:02 PM

First thought is that Luongo would be a cap dump if Doan signs. If Doan doesn't sign, then Luongo would be traded for an overpriced top-6. Who? Not sure.

But if Doan is truly not going to sign for anything less than $7mil per for 4yrs, then you can say goodbye to Doan.


Keeping in mind the Doan mold that Gillis wants us to become, i dont see either florida or toronto having that player on their roster now so the lu trade probably isnt going to fetch that
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 12:03 PM

I hate to say it but trading Schneids would still allow us to have an elite goalie and attain a top 6 impact player, something a Lu trade probably wont do


Agreed.
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 12:07 PM

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I hate to say it but trading Schneids would still allow us to have an elite goalie and attain a top 6 impact player, something a Lu trade probably wont do

I think you make a very good point. Right now Luo's trade value is very low (for a goalie of his abilities) due to his contract (both length and NTC) and also getting benched in lieu of Schnieder against the Kings.

Schnieder, OTOH, is young and has a very good contract.

I don't want to get into the "elite or not" debate regarding Lou (for the record I think he's good but not elite) but I do think he's good enough to win the SC provided the team in front of him actually plays.
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 12:17 PM

our back up plan is to back up the back up plan making it a double back up plan
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 12:18 PM

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CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup

FORWARDS
Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Alexandre Burrows ($2.000m)
Mason Raymond ($2.275m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / David Booth ($4.250m)
Chris Higgins ($1.900m) / Maxim Lapierre ($1.000m) / Jannik Hansen ($1.350m)
Aaron Volpatti ($0.600m) / Manny Malhotra ($2.500m) / Dale Weise ($0.615m)
Andrew Ebbett ($0.600m) /
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Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m) / Kevin Bieksa ($4.600m)
Alexander Edler ($3.250m) / Jason Garrison ($4.600m)
Keith Ballard ($4.200m) / Chris Tanev ($0.900m)
Andrew Alberts ($1.225m) /
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Cory Schneider ($4.000m)
Roberto Luongo ($5.333m)
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SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $66,898,333; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $3,301,667

as it is right now, on august 8th this is a 2nd round team at best....

if we dont get doan, then i have no idea what mg is planning because that puts a lot of pressure on him to fill needs on this team in the pending luongo trade

it pains me....to put raymond in the line up
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 12:20 PM

I think MG will kill himself if he can't sign doan. 90% sure. you heard it here first!

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 12:21 PM

I hate to say it but trading Schneids would still allow us to have an elite goalie and attain a top 6 impact player, something a Lu trade probably wont do


Perhaps, but I would ONLY want to see Schneids traded if the return is an impact player that can play NOW.
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 12:23 PM

1.) Plan 1: Doan signs. Arnott signs as potentially covering 2C until Kesler is fit, and then he would be moved to 3C. Malhotra, Lapierre to cover center positions and/or wings as needed. Gillis trades Luongo (more than likely) and gets back a number of players/prospects who will likely be ready for next year, unless there's a prospect d-man who can fill in on the bottom-6 right now.

2.) Plan 2: Doan doesn't sign, Arnott signs. As above except, Gillis will go after a roster player, top-6 guy as the center piece in the assumed Luongo deal.

3.) Plan 3: Doan signs, Arnott doesn't. Malhotra and Lapierre, with Schroeder, will look after center duties until Kesler returns. Gillis will look for a center prospect as the center piece of the assumed Luongo deal.

4.) Doan doesn't sign. Arnott doesn't sign. Gillis will look for a top-6 right winger as the center piece of the assumed Luongo deal.

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 12:37 PM

1.) Plan 1: Doan signs. Arnott signs as potentially covering 2C until Kesler is fit, and then he would be moved to 3C. Malhotra, Lapierre to cover center positions and/or wings as needed. Gillis trades Luongo (more than likely) and gets back a number of players/prospects who will likely be ready for next year, unless there's a prospect d-man who can fill in on the bottom-6 right now.

2.) Plan 2: Doan doesn't sign, Arnott signs. As above except, Gillis will go after a roster player, top-6 guy as the center piece in the assumed Luongo deal.

3.) Plan 3: Doan signs, Arnott doesn't. Malhotra and Lapierre, with Schroeder, will look after center duties until Kesler returns. Gillis will look for a center prospect as the center piece of the assumed Luongo deal.

4.) Doan doesn't sign. Arnott doesn't sign. Gillis will look for a top-6 right winger as the center piece of the assumed Luongo deal.

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OK, if none of that happens then:

The backup plan is out current roster and prospects.


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Posted 08 August 2012 - 12:39 PM

You think it would take Luongo and Edler to get a Top 6 forward, and yet earlier you imply that Raymond is a Top 6 forward (or close to it, a "tweener"). Can you imagine trading Luongo and Edler for that?
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 12:40 PM

first of all, we need to trade luongo before anything can happen to get some cap space for a guy like doan. We currently have $2.4 million in cap space and trading only luongo, we'd have $7.7 million in space & i just read an article that Doan is looking towards us, NYR, and Phili for 4 years @ $7 million each year. If we don't sign him, Kristian Huselius is also on the market... Yeah, he was injured but he has put up points that are great for a second line guy (very similar to Doan). He's not as big as him Doan though.

I wonder if Gillis is being too patient that the panthers will just give up because they're not getting what they want... I really hope he does something good because (and i really really don't wanna admit it) i feel like the roster is very s l o w l y breaking apart. If everyone on our forwards plays their A game (booth, higgy, raymond being 20+, burrows, messy, daniel being 30+, & hansen, lappy, and malhotra being 10+) and the d-men continue being great, then yeah, our team is gonna be awesome and i would stand corrected.
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 12:41 PM

Mason Raymond


...sad thing, it's actually true..
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 12:43 PM

Yeah, #4. :)

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 12:47 PM

I hate to say it but trading Schneids would still allow us to have an elite goalie and attain a top 6 impact player, something a Lu trade probably wont do


This

As much as some of the idiots want Luongo gone that's not the only option, you trade whatever player will get you the best return. If Schneider ends up being that player then you pull the trigger
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 12:59 PM

I dont think MG is prepared to go another year with Raymond in our top 6.

fool me once shame on u fool me twice.......ill break ur back myself.
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 01:01 PM

Trade Luongo to the Capitals for Johansson and Ward.

If Doan doesn't sign here this team is still solid, it would just mean one of our rookies would have to step up. Arnott might be the back up plan but I'm not over the moon with him anyway. If Raymond's on this team in November I'll poo my pants.

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 01:02 PM

1.) Plan 1: Doan signs. Arnott signs as potentially covering 2C until Kesler is fit, and then he would be moved to 3C. Malhotra, Lapierre to cover center positions and/or wings as needed. Gillis trades Luongo (more than likely) and gets back a number of players/prospects Bjugstad, Bergenheim... who will likely be ready for next year, unless there's a prospect d-man Ellerby who can fill in on the bottom-6 right now.

2.) Plan 2: Doan doesn't sign, Arnott signs. As above except, Gillis will go after a roster player, top-6 guy Versteeg as the center piece in the assumed Luongo deal.

3.) Plan 3: Doan signs, Arnott doesn't. Malhotra and Lapierre, with Schroeder, will look after center duties until Kesler returns. Gillis will look for a center prospect Bjugstad as the center piece of the assumed Luongo deal.

4.) Doan doesn't sign. Arnott doesn't sign. Gillis will look for a top-6 right winger Versteeg as the center piece of the assumed Luongo deal.

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Very well said, I've changed the "anonymous" players to actual players.
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 01:09 PM

we have a backup plan?
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 01:12 PM

Very well said, I've changed the "anonymous" players to actual players.


Versteeg doesnt really fit the big body and grit type type MG is looking for. Bjugstad does for sure.. to me Versteeg is like the Sedins, skilled, shifty but can be pushed around.
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 01:14 PM

I hate to say it but trading Schneids would still allow us to have an elite goalie and attain a top 6 impact player, something a Lu trade probably wont do


DING DING DING DING DING!

This is what I've been saying for years, but it's too late now, Luongo's asked for a trade, he's gone. And you're right that we won't be getting nearly the return that we could've got for Schneider.
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 01:15 PM

Versteeg doesnt really fit the big body and grit type type MG is looking for. Bjugstad does for sure.. to me Versteeg is like the Sedins, skilled, shifty but can be pushed around.

There have been rumours that MG wants Versteeg if he doesn't get Doan though.
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 01:18 PM

Versteeg doesnt really fit the big body and grit type type MG is looking for. Bjugstad does for sure.. to me Versteeg is like the Sedins, skilled, shifty but can be pushed around.


The Canucks don't like Kris Versteeg, per Tony Gallagher. He also just signed an extension with Florida. He won't be moved here.
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 01:30 PM

Our back-up plan is to steal the Stanley Cup from the HHOF.
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 01:31 PM

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There are plenty of threads around discussing similar things, but there's the Doan option, return in a Luongo deal option, prospect like Kassian/Jensen option, finding another player via trade or UFA option, etc.
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 01:33 PM

Luongo+Edler/Tanev for a top 6 forward? I don't think so. I'm not the biggest Luongo fan but he's still a legit #1 goalie that would certainly fetch a top 6 forward in my mind.
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