Canuck Surfer Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 Uuuhm, Chicago made a signature move in their cup year against us; pasting Dustin Byfuglien in front of our net because we did not have a defender big enough to deal with him. They also had Ben Eager, Andrew Ladd and Troy Brower as sizeable depth players with Dave Bolland and Marian Hossa alternating shifts to stifle the Twins with big, fast defensive forwards... Make no mistake, the two years in a row we lost to Chicago, Quenneville pinned us with physical match ups we could not handle. Our issues remain the same, although we were significantly closer when Manny was effective for us and we also had man beast Torres trolling the lanes. This is also why we made the finals, but have lapsed back to a first round exit when those match up equalizers dissapeared? Gmmg is obviously trying to fill a top 6 hole that he thinks will put the nux over the hump in Doan. Obviously gmmg isnt content with going another year w. Top 6 tweeners like higgins, rAymond, kassian flanking Kesler and Booth. We know gmmg is a patient, calculated man so he for sure has a plan b if we dont get Doan. So what is it? Is there another player we can target available for trade that is in the same mold as Doan. Guys like Clowe, Simmonds or Hartnell. I doubt these 3 are available. When we lost to the Hawks and they won the cup Gillis saw how the nhl game was being called, it benifited trNsition fast skating teams. We made changes and traded for Ehrhoff, Higgins, Lappy etc. Now he has made comments about how the nhl is changing again and w. Bruins and Kings winning the last 2 cups u can bet gillis is going to make us a bigger more bruising team. Also i dont believe Arnott is our backup plan if we dont get Doan. If anything he is our safety plan for keslers injury. He doesnt answer what gmmg is looking for in a top 6 rols. Also for those who wants arnott in a nux jersey, this guy is a notorious AHOLE to rookies and young players. Arnott thinks they are trying to take over his job. He is the oppoIte of a mentor someone u wouldnt want around kass, schroeder or jensen. So whats our backup plan folks? I doubt the lu trade will attain us a top 6 forward unless we package him w. An edler or tanev. That just fills a hole by creating a hole. Who can we realistically trade for to solidify our top 6 come playoff time. Sedin Sedin Burr Kes Booth X ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 Very good summary of our team Burnsey, well done! Yes we are still close, we have not yet lost any key players and they are hopefully positioned to rebound? The Sedins, Lou and Kesler all had down years. Well, last year we did loose some key depth elements. Torres is gone and it's debatable whether Malhotra can be rendered as effective again. My summary is that I think we are a few players short of being a shoo in; Another dynamic big forward who can play with the Twins. Current dream is Doan, maybe Jensen will??? One not discussed enough is a puck rushing defender. Connauton? Upgrade two of ours for a Norris guy? A hulking, or at least highly competitive right side depth defender. Deadline? An Arnott like 3rd line centre. Emergence of Kassian, or a separate physical forward. Its very reasonable that we can get either a key forward, which seems to be the current plan, or a key defender. The depth guys should be no problem to source within our cap and tradeable resources (Lou, Raymond, perhaps Ballard and one of our mid prospects). And we are best served by working Jensen and Kassian in now? Arnott is not the back-up plan. He should be part of the plan itself. Although his production isn't like it used to be, and his age is starting to play a part in his game, he is still a valuable asset we could use on the 3rd line. Imagine a line with Higgins, Arnott and Hansen. That's a decent 3rd line. In terms of the back-up plan, i can only assume that the hole on the top 6 is the missing piece in the Luongo trade thus why Gillis hasn't pulled the trigger. He is waiting that little bit longer until we get not only a guy that can help the team now, but a guy that can become a key part of the team for the next 3-5+ years. PS. Lets not forget that this team hasn't exactly lost a lot of players this year. Sure, Salo will be missed but other than that no one has really left. We still have a team that when on their game can be a top 5 team in this league. Not to mention the fact that many players are looking for rebound years and/or a chance to prove themselves (Kassian falls into this category). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanCityScout Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 back up plan my back up plan is to cheer for da Tampa Bay Lightning baby!! some of my homies on da blue line Oh Yeah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dura_mater Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER My Custom Lineup FORWARDS Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Alexandre Burrows ($2.000m) Mason Raymond ($2.275m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / David Booth ($4.250m) Chris Higgins ($1.900m) / Maxim Lapierre ($1.000m) / Jannik Hansen ($1.350m) Aaron Volpatti ($0.600m) / Manny Malhotra ($2.500m) / Dale Weise ($0.615m) Andrew Ebbett ($0.600m) / DEFENSEMEN Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m) / Kevin Bieksa ($4.600m) Alexander Edler ($3.250m) / Jason Garrison ($4.600m) Keith Ballard ($4.200m) / Chris Tanev ($0.900m) Andrew Alberts ($1.225m) / GOALTENDERS Cory Schneider ($4.000m) Roberto Luongo ($5.333m) ------ CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter) (these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion) SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $66,898,333; BONUSES: $0 CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $3,301,667 as it is right now, on august 8th this is a 2nd round team at best.... if we dont get doan, then i have no idea what mg is planning because that puts a lot of pressure on him to fill needs on this team in the pending luongo trade it pains me....to put raymond in the line up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucktican Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 just had to lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoasting Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 haha at what point did i say MG is an idiot? maybe work on your reading comprehension.. I was referring to the fans who say Luongo is the worst goalie this team has ever had, cost us the cup etc. and other idiotic comments. They will do the same to Schneider if he doesn't deliver a cup too just watch. This city is a goalie graveyard for a reason, Schneider was smart for only signing for 3 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehamburglar Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 Schnieder will bring a better return. Luongo's already good enough for cup finals, so get Schnieds to bring us a good top end roster player, and prospect, then let Lack back us up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonshinefe Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 Schnieder will bring a better return. Luongo's already good enough for cup finals, so get Schnieds to bring us a good top end roster player, and prospect, then let Lack back us up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Mind Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 I hate to say it but trading Schneids would still allow us to have an elite goalie and attain a top 6 impact player, something a Lu trade probably wont do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklehead44 Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 Three way trade Philly Theodore Campbell 2nd round pick Vancouver To Vancouver Hartnell Jovanovski To Florida Luongo Meszaros Ballard Vancouver gives up: Luongo, Ballard and a 2nd round pick Receives: Hartnell, Jovanovski Florida gives up: Campbell, Jovanovski and Theodore Receives: Luongo, Meszaros and Ballard Philly gives up: Hartnell and Meszaros Receives: Campbell, Theodore & 2nd round pick Vancouver gets their power forward for Luongo. Unfortunately at a high price. Philly gets the big time defenseman they were looking for and solidifies goaltending. Florida gets Luongo, plus a few solid defenseman. Way out in left field. I don't think we are getting Hartnell... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watermelons Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 We don't realistically have to do anything but stay in contention until the trade deadline in february. I feel even luongo would fetch more in return around then for playoff bubble teams who are looking to shore up their goaltending situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TowelPower12 Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 Three way trade Philly Theodore Campbell 2nd round pick Vancouver To Vancouver Hartnell Jovanovski To Florida Luongo Meszaros Ballard Vancouver gives up: Luongo, Ballard and a 2nd round pick Receives: Hartnell, Jovanovski Florida gives up: Campbell, Jovanovski and Theodore Receives: Luongo, Meszaros and Ballard Philly gives up: Hartnell and Meszaros Receives: Campbell, Theodore & 2nd round pick Vancouver gets their power forward for Luongo. Unfortunately at a high price. Philly gets the big time defenseman they were looking for and solidifies goaltending. Florida gets Luongo, plus a few solid defenseman. Way out in left field. I don't think we are getting Hartnell... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonshinefe Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 Philly is never trading Hartnell, may be able to pry simmonds or voracek away from them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 Honestly, our forwards are not a big problem. The bigger worry is our defensive depth, and here's why: Last season we had 5 forwards scoring at a 20-goal pace. That is pretty good depth. We also had Hansen and Raymond scoring at a 15-goal pace on our 3rd line. Now let's look at next season and what we can expect. Daniel (30G) - Henrik (15G) - Burrows (25G) Booth (25G) - Kesler (25G) - Higgins (20G) Raymond (15G) - Lapierre (10G) - Hansen (15G) Kassian (10G) - Malhotra (5G) - Weise (5G) Those are very realistic numbers, if anything Raymond and Hansen could breakout with 20 goal seasons but on the whole those are very attainable numbers. The fact is, we have good offensive depth - especially with Hansen and Raymond on our 3rd line and a guy like Kassian who could break out as a top-6 forward any season now. Don't forget about Jensen who is a dark-horse to make the team after being our best player last pre-season. Meanwhile, look at our defensive depth: Edler - Garrison Hamhuis - Bieksa Ballard - Tanev Alberts - Joslin Connautan Now that may be one of the best top-4's in the league, especially with all 4 of them coming off career-years, but our depth is laughable. That's a good 3rd pairing, but one that is not built for the playoffs and is simply not physical enough to contend with the bigger forwards in the league. The best way to measure depth is to see what our lineup would look like with injuries, and who can step up to fill certain roles. In our forward group, we can sustain 2 injuries to our top-6 and have Hansen and Raymond simply jump in and fill those rolls almost flawlessly. We don't skip much of a beat there. Heck, we even have Kassian who could play in our top-6 if need be. Then look at our defence. If we have one injury to our top-4 defence, we suddenly have Ballard playing an uncomfortable 20 minutes a game. 2 injuries to our top-4 and we've got Alberts and Joslin playing 15 minutes while Tanev has to play well over 20 minutes. Basically 3 injuries at any one time on defence and we're finished. Let's also not forget that the Canucks had 3 injuries at one time several instances over their 2011 campaign, but due to their great defensive depth (essentially carrying 6 top-4 defencemen in Bieksa, Hamhuis, Edler, Ehrhoff, Salo and Ballard) they never skipped a beat. Now, we lose 2 defencemen to injury and we suddenly have one of the worst defences in the NHL which will struggle. We need defensive depth more than offensive depth right now, but more importantly we need quality on the blueline. Signing a guy like Coliacovo, Jurcina or Vandemeer would help this team a lot more than Doan. That gives us a defenceman who can comfortable play 20 minutes and fill in a top-4 role, something Alberts and Joslin simply can't do, and will be required to do if we want to go deep in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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King of the ES Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 Luongo+Edler/Tanev for a top 6 forward? I don't think so. I'm not the biggest Luongo fan but he's still a legit #1 goalie that would certainly fetch a top 6 forward in my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 Luongo also has a contract; he's welcome to play backup or compete for a top job like anyone else. Or sit out and we save his salary. Not getting paid would quickly adjust his attitude towards his trade list. And as for Florida, Toronto..., Vultures get hungry just like every beast! The birds will start circling and then fight to get their prize. Just imagine what you would have to pay for Peka Rinne in a trade? He's yet to accomplish anything close to Lou and makes more money. Lou is still a pretty good prize. And I bet Philly would gladly trade Bryzgalov for Lou! "Your mind" is not an accurate representation of the market. Luongo can pick and choose where he wants to go. In light of this, there's a limited number of buyers to sell to. In light of THIS, the price drops. Top-6 forward is a nice dream, but it's not reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Googs Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 Seriously, I look at what everyone is saying here and I don't understand... We do not need a center. We do not need a forward... if anything we could use a guy like Doan of a banger that can skate and score a bit. What we really need a defenseman. We need a stud. A shut down with speed and toughness. Eddler's value is high. In the beg games and through out the year he drives me crazy by making mistakes at the worst possible time. However his body of work is good and we could really trade him for something now. I say forget all this talk. Trade Luongo for Shawn Mathias and Keaton Ellerby and a draft exchange and have it done with. Then Trade Eddler, Ballard, Schroeder to Winnipeg for Byfugglin and Cormier. Then we have a tough and fast team with some size on the back end. It is not rocket science. Get er done MG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke8628 Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 why are there people thinking Luongo is going to catch a top 6 forward by himself? His talent is only a small part of what is coming into play here folks. If Luongo could've fetched a top 6 forward that easily, don't you think the deal would've been made? Every other GM KNOWS that MG has no leverage, because the entire league KNOWS Vancouver is trying to deal Luongo. The fact that you people think Vancouver can fetch a 25-30 goal scorer with upside for an overpriced goalie is laughable. Nothing against Luongo, he's a great goalie. But in this situation his talent is a rather small part of the overall picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 why are there people thinking Luongo is going to catch a top 6 forward by himself? His talent is only a small part of what is coming into play here folks. If Luongo could've fetched a top 6 forward that easily, don't you think the deal would've been made? Every other GM KNOWS that MG has no leverage, because the entire league KNOWS Vancouver is trying to deal Luongo. The fact that you people think Vancouver can fetch a 25-30 goal scorer with upside for an overpriced goalie is laughable. Nothing against Luongo, he's a great goalie. But in this situation his talent is a rather small part of the overall picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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