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Pastor tries to commit suicide after being convicted as a pedophile

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I guess I could go find where the old bastard is buried and dance on his grave first...

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while I obviously don't condone continuing the cycle of abuse and there is no excuse for this kind of weakness........does anyone here consider that he, himself, is probably a survivor of hard core sexual abuse?

He should go to jail, no doubt, and pay his penance, but he does deserve some consideration that he probably went through some pretty horrble experiences of his own.

By the time you hit adulthood and in this day and age of awareness and information, no excuse. There is plenty of help available and he should have sought some out if that was the case. He had enough of a presence of mind to know that he wanted to end things before they got unbearable (with the pill gulp), should have used that same reasoning to seek out help.

I'd be more inclined to agree with you if his acts didn't appear to be premeditated (with the lure of false promises) - but it shows that he thought about this rather than just acted on impulse. So, no - should have used that thought process to determine that this was wrong and reached out for some help instead. Too easy to hide behind "reasons" these days - time to get back to the focus being on the victim, not the perpetrator. And, in cases where victims grow up, it becomes a matter of accountability. In the case where there is a child victim and an adult - my empathy steers toward the child who may not be equipped to handle and take charge of the situation. Adults generally should be able to identify problems and then take the necessary steps to address them. Sounds cold and I know it's difficult - but there is too much information out there regarding the "cycle of abuse" to deny and ignore it.

And, after reading all the comments, I commend those with the strength/courage to reveal that they, themselves, have been victim to this horrible cycle of abuse and to work through it. With that, I still find it hard to let adults off the hook for calculated abuse of others. Empathy is a tough one if the person suffering chooses to deal with their pain through inflicting it on others. I understand why/how it happens (and worked in the field for a time), but everyone also has the responsibility as an adult to at least try to address things that are creating turmoil for them.

Years ago it was different and things were swept under rugs and kept in closets - today it is completely acceptable (as demonstrated here) to free yourself by sharing your experience and, in that, receiving the necessary help. Those who don't really get little empathy from me.

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Since there is no apparent "cure" for the "disease", what should Societies "options" be with people who sexually abuse children? .. all my "cures" are fatal ones ..

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Since there is no apparent "cure" for the "disease", what should Societies "options" be with people who sexually abuse children? .. all my "cures" are fatal ones ..

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By the time you hit adulthood and in this day and age of awareness and information, no excuse. There is plenty of help available and he should have sought some out if that was the case. He had enough of a presence of mind to know that he wanted to end things before they got unbearable (with the pill gulp), should have used that same reasoning to seek out help.

I'd be more inclined to agree with you if his acts didn't appear to be premeditated (with the lure of false promises) - but it shows that he thought about this rather than just acted on impulse. So, no - should have used that thought process to determine that this was wrong and reached out for some help instead. Too easy to hide behind "reasons" these days - time to get back to the focus being on the victim, not the perpetrator. And, in cases where victims grow up, it becomes a matter of accountability. In the case where there is a child victim and an adult - my empathy steers toward the child who may not be equipped to handle and take charge of the situation. Adults generally should be able to identify problems and then take the necessary steps to address them. Sounds cold and I know it's difficult - but there is too much information out there regarding the "cycle of abuse" to deny and ignore it.

And, after reading all the comments, I commend those with the strength/courage to reveal that they, themselves, have been victim to this horrible cycle of abuse and to work through it. With that, I still find it hard to let adults off the hook for calculated abuse of others. Empathy is a tough one if the person suffering chooses to deal with their pain through inflicting it on others. I understand why/how it happens (and worked in the field for a time), but everyone also has the responsibility as an adult to at least try to address things that are creating turmoil for them.

Years ago it was different and things were swept under rugs and kept in closets - today it is completely acceptable (as demonstrated here) to free yourself by sharing your experience and, in that, receiving the necessary help. Those who don't really get little empathy from me.

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I dont agree with this at all. Protecting kids should be the priority, so the guy belongs in prison. Too bad? Poor soul? Whatever.

Theres no excuse for giving a pedo another opportunity to continue his ways. Not only will he be given another chance to destroy a kids life, but you are perpetuating the problem needlessly because the victim may do the same when he becomes an adult.

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Not a surprise, pastors preach from the pulpit about morality, ignoring human nature in sexuality, nature doesn't give a damn about morality or their ignoramus religious credo.. unsurprisingly they make heinous choices as a result. There aren't many in the world who can function with such rules and why should they unless they are simply asexual. Hopefully one day people will stop listening to pastors and start listening to their body which knows more about what they want and need than a pastor does.

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Whatever happened to the "Christian" faction on these boards?? .. surely mercy and forgiveness should at least be postulated .. no?

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What do you mean by that? Obviously mercy and forgiveness are taught, but that doesn't that someone who is Christian should think he shouldn't go to jail.... In fact they may want him going to jail more than others because he is not a very good example for other Christians.

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What do you mean by that? Obviously mercy and forgiveness are taught, but that doesn't that someone who is Christian should think he shouldn't go to jail.... In fact they may want him going to jail more than others because he is not a very good example for other Christians.

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I don't think it says anything in the bible about pedophilia.. worshiping false idols, yes.. he must have forgotten to put that one in.

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By the time you hit adulthood and in this day and age of awareness and information, no excuse. There is plenty of help available and he should have sought some out if that was the case. He had enough of a presence of mind to know that he wanted to end things before they got unbearable (with the pill gulp), should have used that same reasoning to seek out help.

I'd be more inclined to agree with you if his acts didn't appear to be premeditated (with the lure of false promises) - but it shows that he thought about this rather than just acted on impulse. So, no - should have used that thought process to determine that this was wrong and reached out for some help instead. Too easy to hide behind "reasons" these days - time to get back to the focus being on the victim, not the perpetrator. And, in cases where victims grow up, it becomes a matter of accountability. In the case where there is a child victim and an adult - my empathy steers toward the child who may not be equipped to handle and take charge of the situation. Adults generally should be able to identify problems and then take the necessary steps to address them. Sounds cold and I know it's difficult - but there is too much information out there regarding the "cycle of abuse" to deny and ignore it.

And, after reading all the comments, I commend those with the strength/courage to reveal that they, themselves, have been victim to this horrible cycle of abuse and to work through it. With that, I still find it hard to let adults off the hook for calculated abuse of others. Empathy is a tough one if the person suffering chooses to deal with their pain through inflicting it on others. I understand why/how it happens (and worked in the field for a time), but everyone also has the responsibility as an adult to at least try to address things that are creating turmoil for them.

Years ago it was different and things were swept under rugs and kept in closets - today it is completely acceptable (as demonstrated here) to free yourself by sharing your experience and, in that, receiving the necessary help. Those who don't really get little empathy from me.

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^ great post.

I know most of you guys are atheist and I respect you guys for what you are. I am however Catholic and it's definetly sad and disgusting to hear that these Priests and Pastors do such horrid things. I am truly ashamed to hear this. And I applaud those who have the courage to come forward with your expierences.

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Well yes I am speaking as a Christian, I don't know if that is something different than the 'Christian' you were referring to. I may have misunderstood what you were saying. It seemed like you were saying that Christians would come to defend him, I was just saying that I don't think so. I certainly think he should go to jail for a very long time.

But maybe that wasn't what you were saying

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