Killings in Burma

[Super19]

Myanmar Conflict: Rohingya Muslims Persecuted In Myanmar And Bangladesh

BANGKOK — They have been called ogres and animals, terrorists and much worse – when their existence is even acknowledged.

Asia's more than 1 million ethnic Rohingya Muslims are considered by rights groups to be among the most persecuted people on Earth. Most live in an anachronistic purgatory without passports, unable to travel freely or call any place home.

In Myanmar, shaken this week by a bloody spasm of violence involving Rohingyas in which dozens of civilians died, they are almost universally despised. The military junta whose half-century of rule ended only last year treated them as foreigners – fueling a profound resentment now reflected in waves of vitriol being posted online.

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/14/myanmar-conflict-rohingya-muslims_n_1595976.html

[لني]

As someone who has been reading a lot about Islam recently, I can attest to that. Generally you can pick out the bigots from people giving honest critiques pretty easily, as the bigoted opinions tend to have an agenda against Muslim immigration and try to portray Muslims as plotting to take over the world, or some bull like that. Of course, there are plenty of Muslims online who dish the bigotry right back.

[لني]

^ That AJ artice doesn't seem to be making the case that the persecution is a religious one.

It actually seems to be a much more measured one that the initial offering of tripe in the OP.

Why aren't they out protesting the treatment of the muslim women in Pakistan? Or in Saudi Arabia? Or the way the non-religious are treated in Indonesia??

[VICanucksfan5551]

Some muslims are definitely planning on plotting to re establish what many muslims believe to be their rightful (ignoring the fact than many if not all lands were taken "by the sword") lands. The caliphate.

[لني]

From what I've seen, that's a fringe opinion, and hardly the coordinated effort some right wing groups make it out to be.

[VICanucksfan5551]

It not a coordinated effort as much as right wing white-power groups are not coordinated. But no one denies they are not some sort of a threat.

In fact if im not mistaken the muslim brotherhood had that as one of their "goals".

The idea of the ummah is a strong one. That somehow someone in indonesia has as much in common "brotherhood" as someone from pakistan or algeria.

Would be like saying a christian in philipines has much in common "brotherhood" as an italian.

[Sharpshooter]

From what I've seen, that's a fringe opinion, and hardly the coordinated effort some right wing groups make it out to be.

[Super19]

I think white power groups are probably a good analogy. They're also a group with a dangerous ideology and a potential to cause harm, but hardly representative of the population of a whole.

I find the idea of a united ummah to be a myth as well. There's a wide spectrum of belief and culture across the Muslim world, just as there is for every other major religion.

[VICanucksfan5551]

I'm a far left liberal and even I can't deny that islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, and that the birthrate of muslims in Europe versus non-muslims is higher. I don't have any evidence that there's coordination underway, however. All we can go by are the immigration and birth-rate numbers.

[VICanucksfan5551]

Or rather, your perception of it is wrong. We love one another for the sake of Allah - that's the brotherhood. Not our cultures and not our personalities. Hajj would be a great example, and there is a sea of beautiful accounts relating to the 'brotherhood' evident.

[Sharpshooter]

Or rather, your perception of it is wrong. We love one another for the sake of Allah - that's the brotherhood. Not our cultures and not our personalities. Hajj would be a great example, and there is a sea of beautiful accounts relating to the 'brotherhood' evident.

[Super19]

That's the idea, but there's a ton of sectarian violence, both historical and modern day, which doesn't exactly speak to widespread love of one another for the sake of Allah. Not that infighting is unique to Islam, but it's far from immune to it.

[لني]

I think white power groups are probably a good analogy. They're also a group with a dangerous ideology and a potential to cause harm, but hardly representative of the population of a whole.

I find the idea of a united ummah to be a myth as well. There's a wide spectrum of belief and culture across the Muslim world, just as there is for every other major religion.

[لني]

Or rather, your perception of it is wrong. We love one another for the sake of Allah - that's the brotherhood. Not our cultures and not our personalities. Hajj would be a great example, and there is a sea of beautiful accounts relating to the 'brotherhood' evident.

[Sharpshooter]

High birth rates driving an increase in population in third world countries is hardly a positive for the Muslim world, or anything to be worried about as far as "world domination" goes. Countries in poor economic shape usually tend to have high birth rates, regardless of religion. As the Muslim world continues to modernize, that number will continue to drop.

[Super19]

Oh yeah, Sunnis totally love their Shia brothers....and it's totally a reciprocal 'love'.

[VICanucksfan5551]

The birth rate between non-muslims and muslims was in Europe. Hardly a 'poor economic zone'.

Also, the muslim population in the U.S. is more than doubling as well, and will continue to increase rapidly.

[Sharpshooter]

U mad I say my salaams and shake hands and love my 'shia' (Muslim) friend for the sake of Allah?

[Sharpshooter]

The graph plotted population growth rate, not birth rate, no? Immigration from countries with high birth rates is a big factor in that.

[Super19]

Why would I be mad??

I know others who will kill your Shia friend for Allah. That's the point.