Drakrami Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 not a bad idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peaches Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 One does not simply trade honey badger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Raiun Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 Raymond isn't a serviceable 3rd liner at all. He is just not big or aggressive enough to be a solid checker. He's a top six kind of guy, and at this rate he's looking like he might be AHL material, because he just can't hold his own against the bigger guys in the league. Maybe he'll prove me wrong during this upcoming season, but... In any case, yeah. Hansen is more expendable than most of the players on our team, and has some value right now, but why would we get rid of him? He's great in his role, he puts up some points, throws some huge hits, kills penalties.. he's great. Unless the return is similarly great, I wouldn't want to trade him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 Again, thats the point of this. Whats better for this organization, or from asset management in general: - Trading Hansen for a premium - Trading Raymond for a discount Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPRYP Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 Raymond, the door is open, don't let it hit ya on the way out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPRYP Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 Mason Raymond appears to skate with his skate guards on... Night in night out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krazysl Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 I am with the op on his thought process. Canucks pump 3rd liners out of their system, hanson is good 3rd 4th liner but like the op said raymond is a replacment. I would likme to see hanson traded, IMO he has peaked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krazysl Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 Raymond isn't a serviceable 3rd liner at all. He is just not big or aggressive enough to be a solid checker. He's a top six kind of guy, and at this rate he's looking like he might be AHL material, because he just can't hold his own against the bigger guys in the league. Maybe he'll prove me wrong during this upcoming season, but... In any case, yeah. Hansen is more expendable than most of the players on our team, and has some value right now, but why would we get rid of him? He's great in his role, he puts up some points, throws some huge hits, kills penalties.. he's great. Unless the return is similarly great, I wouldn't want to trade him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 Who exactly is going to give us a player capable of improving our Top 6 for Hansen? Or a centre that can either impact secondary scoring (Hodgson/Arnott) or alternately take on shut down duties (Bolland / Malhotra)... We all love Hansen because he brings the work ethic and character. But guys like Malhotra, Higgins, also Bernier, Torres and Taylor Pyatt have resurrected their careers as 3rd and 4th liners after failing as top 6 prospects. And they also offer underlying potential to score from the talent which saw them as top prospects, plus size and now desperation or motivation to earn any role they can grasp. There will always be these type of guys available to take on Hansens role, so your half right suggesting he is expendable. It still does not mean you will extract a more premium talent in a trade for Hansen. A more realistic concept might be a deadline deal when the younger signed asset versus a better talent is more valued. Yes, Honey Badger is awesome and we all love him But would he not be arguably our best trading chip after Luongo? Think of it this way - Productive, excellent checking 3rd liner - 26 year old, coming off of a career high in points - Signed cheap for 2 more seasons Now your probably thinking to yourself, those are all great reasons to keep him Wouldn't that mean his value is at an all time high? At this point and time, Hansen is easily replaceable. - Despite his haters, Raymond is a very serviceable 3rd liner - Kassian could see increased role on 3rd line - Jensen could be a long-term solution - Even guys like Rodin/Mallet could knock on the door sooner rather than later. Now I am not saying we should trade Hansen for the sake of trading Hansen However, perhaps he could be leveraged into returning a premium in an area of weakness on our roster. - Help in the top 6 - 3rd line center of similar value - Packaged with Luongo for an increased return in Luongo trade Instead of the typical "trade Raymond for nothing" thought process on CDC, why not consider moving Hansen for a premium, since we have players who could step in and replace him (and provide similar results) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester13 Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 Raymond is a serviceable replacement as a 3rd line winger. We have plenty of 2nd/3rd line wingers. We lack top-6 talent, and a 3rd line center. If you can leverage Hansen into an overpayment, and take the downgrade on the 3rd line wing, your still coming out on top. Never said he wasn't. Hansen > Raymond, but it would reflect exponentially in his trade value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodee Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 Raymond isn't a serviceable 3rd liner at all. He is just not big or aggressive enough to be a solid checker. He's a top six kind of guy, and at this rate he's looking like he might be AHL material, because he just can't hold his own against the bigger guys in the league. Maybe he'll prove me wrong during this upcoming season, but... In any case, yeah. Hansen is more expendable than most of the players on our team, and has some value right now, but why would we get rid of him? He's great in his role, he puts up some points, throws some huge hits, kills penalties.. he's great. Unless the return is similarly great, I wouldn't want to trade him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 I would rather trade Higgins than Hansen, to me Hansen is someone we need to keep if we want playoff success (not to say that Higgins isn't, but I think Hansen is more rare & brings more stuff that Higgins doesn't) We should focus on this Doan situation and hopefully get him, then focus on Luongo and wrapping it up as long as we get a decent return, then finally work on other moves if we still have big needs that we can't fill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter.S-Kerouac Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 You cant trade the honey badger hes one of the most passionate players on the team. And is a major playoff performer. Hes as good as Burr in my opinion possibly better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Dane 36 Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 NOOOO I HAVE HIS JERSEY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kesler is the king Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 I'd rather trade Raymond or Higgins than Hansen. Right now the sky's the limit for Hansen, who improves every single year and is on the cusp of a 20 goal season. Meanwhile there's not much chance Raymond will improve on his 50 point season a while ago, and Higgins hit his prime a long time ago despite still producing at a 20-goal pace. Hansen was the best defensive forward on our team last season as well. He managed a +18 despite playing on the 3rd line which rarely scores and is usually the most victimized line (playing with the 3rd pairing, playing more time than the 4th line). Only Burrows and the twins bested him in the +/- department and they're racking up goals. Hansen is NOT expendable. You can't just trade your best defensive forward, solid PKer and future top-6 forward because we have no one to replace him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hungerofthewolf Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 He is a great role player who is often the most aggresive player on the ice. He can roll up and down the line up when the team needs him too and he can be relied on to make game changing plays. Remember his breakaway goals in the playoffs during their cup run? I do! Like it or not, we are not rebuilding. We are looking to win now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kryten Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 In no way shape or form is Hansen an expendable asset. Expendable means we have someone who is capable of not only replacing him, but doing his job better. Not a single player you mentioned is even close to being a successful replacement. Mallet, Kassian, and Jensen obviously aren't experienced enough and Raymond isn't in the same league as Hansen (not to mention he plays a different wing). IMO Hansen's value is defined by the fact that he is a worker and a post-season performer. ***Playoff performers are NOT expendable players, especially on a team that while capable, has not yet won the Stanley Cup*** You don't trade a player like Hansen when you are looking to win, you trade for a player like Hansen when you are looking to win. If we were a rebuild team, the proposal would make more sense, but at the moment the prospect of considering Hansen a tradeable asset is bloody loony-tunes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsasaki Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 I doubt you would get proper return for Hansen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockey Fever Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 He really plays hard in the big playoff games, i still remember his play against Chicago a few years ago , lots of heart. You keep guys like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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