Mr. Ambien Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Can you say "red herring?" Very good. Especially when Blue Dogs voted along party lines more than half the time, hence why they're still called Democrats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthecivil Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Can you say "red herring?" Very good. Especially when Blue Dogs voted along party lines more than half the time, hence why they're still called Democrats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Situation Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 According to this CBS report, Obama has increased the National Debt by 4.939 trillion in his three years and two months in office (that was in March). It took Bush 8 years to reach a simlar amount. http://www.cbsnews.c...han-under-bush/ Facts don't lie, despite the spin put on by Obama's supporter on this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddhas Hand Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 I really don't like Obama but Bush was the absolute worst. I seriously didn't think the Republicans would pick someone terrible like Romney but they just had to go there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Ambien Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 I really don't like Obama but Bush was the absolute worst. I seriously didn't think the Republicans would pick someone terrible like Romney but they just had to go there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tearloch7 Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 zaibatsu .. King of Denial .. stating that the 2009 budget was not already in place when Barry took office is a bald faced lie .. confirm before spewing .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Ambien Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 zaibatsu .. King of Denial .. stating that the 2009 budget was not already in place when Barry took office is a bald faced lie .. confirm before spewing .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Ambien Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 The main point and truth, is that Bush added more to the national debt because of his policies than Obama did because of his or even in reaction to the mess left him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Ambien Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 No, that's not the truth, that's something an Obama sycophant would say. A flat out lie. Obama has added in 4 years the same amount that Bush did in 8 years. That's not better than Bush, that's FAR worse. Your own source says Bush left with about $10 trillion in overall deficit, it's at $16 trillion now.. do the math. The fact that you guys are even attempting to suggest Bush's fiscal policy (which was the next worst I've ever seen) is worse than Obama's is downright laughable. The dishonesty you are perpetuating should be explicitly noted because this is consistent with the type of American politics that has helped frack it up so badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 Your sources are from 2009 and 2011, one of which uses weasel words blaming Bush for Obama's budget even through 2011. Obama's administration did not accrue 2.8 trillion dollars of debt in 2 fiscal years and 8 months between when Obama took office and the end of the fiscal year 2011. That's a flat out lie. The US deficit ceiling was raised to $16 trillion dollars as of January 2012 and a full fiscal year plus change still left in Obama's first four year term at that point. The graph showing Bush's deficit when leaving at $10 trillion overall (and about $6 trillion over 8 years) is almost right. Conservative estimates of the budget deficit (usdebtclock.org) shows $16 trillion which means with well over 5 months left of Obama's first term and the ceiling will need to be raised a second time. By said conservative margins it means Obama in 4 years will have outspent Bush's 8 years easy. By all means show me how this is false, all the evidence smacks you in the face. Awaiting your next spin effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Ambien Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 I don't have to argue about anything....if you feel the figures from the sources cited are inaccurate or flat out false, then present your evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 I already did, deficit is at $16 trillion, your source says Bush left at $10.. what's 16 - 10? Your source says Bush's 6 was in 8 years, Obama's 6 in 4 years.. Bush is far worse? Hah. What more evidence do I need to present? I already presented mine, then you presented yours, except yours just presented almost the exact same thing I did, then said Bush was worse than Obama, LOL. This is getting comical. I seriously doubt it's hit you yet as to how badly you are going to get flogged in this debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zamboni_14 Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 zaibatsu .. King of Denial .. stating that the 2009 budget was not already in place when Barry took office is a bald faced lie .. confirm before spewing .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 actually zaibatsu is correct. Normally the previous President signs the following year budget, but this was a case of "kick the can" where Obama actually signed the budget (in March I believe.) That's not to say it was ALL Obama's budget... many things were already agreed on, like that there was going to be about $400 billion deficit... Obama added to that (so there is a bit of a split that goes both ways.) I'm sure I'll get ripped apart by some for this... but I'm going off memory from an article that was posted last spring on Politifact.com (I only remember it because it was part of a debate a friend and I had... he was saying it was "all" Obama's spending.) The question that should be asked (and tied into the topic) is if Ryan is so "responsible" than why did he vote for all the bailouts, wars and cuts that were going to increase the debt (and/or deficit?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddhas Hand Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 No, that's not the truth, that's something an Obama sycophant would say. A flat out lie. Obama has added in 4 years the same amount that Bush did in 8 years. That's not better than Bush, that's FAR worse. Your own source says Bush left with about $10 trillion in overall deficit, it's at $16 trillion now.. do the math. The fact that you guys are even attempting to suggest Bush's fiscal policy (which was the next worst I've ever seen) is worse than Obama's is downright laughable. The dishonesty you are perpetuating should be explicitly noted because this is consistent with the type of American politics that has helped frack it up so badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zamboni_14 Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 No, he's wrong(on so many different levels), and you're wrong for thinking he's right and in that Obama didn't kick the can, put TARP and a bunch more crap onto his own plate from the fiscally inept Bush administration. His administration for the first time put other off the books spending on the books which reflected as his spending though it actually wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Ambien Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 The national debt under Bush went from $5,943,438,563,436 (stating on 12/31/2001) to $10,699,804,864,612 (on 12/31/2008) The national debt under Obama went from $12,311,349,677,512 on 12/31/2009 to $15,930, 043, 999 today. And of the money that Obama spent in deficit spending Bush's 2 wars, Medicare Part D, TAARP, and other bright ideas, had to be paid for.....or AT LEAST be put on the books, which Obama did, which Bush didn't. Comical? You betcha. It's hard for myself not to laugh constantly when arguing with the biggest clown on CDC. Source out where and why the spending was done between the two. You flog me? Not on your best day. The trouble is, it doesn't matter which debate you get into with me, you'll always be carrying a knife to the gun fight...and that's because your ideas and explanation and reasonings have about as much sense as any other tea-bagger's out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddhas Hand Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 No, that's not the truth, that's something an Obama sycophant would say. A flat out lie. Obama has added in 4 years the same amount that Bush did in 8 years. That's not better than Bush, that's FAR worse. Your own source says Bush left with about $10 trillion in overall deficit, it's at $16 trillion now.. do the math. The fact that you guys are even attempting to suggest Bush's fiscal policy (which was the next worst I've ever seen) is worse than Obama's is downright laughable. The dishonesty you are perpetuating should be explicitly noted because this is consistent with the type of American politics that has helped frack it up so badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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