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Posted 11 August 2012 - 10:47 PM

But it's okay that everyone else is now paying the arm and leg for you rather than just holding politicians accountable and electing ones that can both manage a budget and a health care system? Yay Obama.

"As long as I get what I want, who cares who I'm screwing over."


How does his family becoming destitute paying his father's medical bills help the economy? Give your head a shake.
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Posted 12 August 2012 - 12:49 AM

How does his family becoming destitute paying his father's medical bills help the economy? Give your head a shake.

If you wish to go the effeminate, emotional route.. it helps by not burdening taxpayers further on overpriced mediocre-coverage private insurance courtesy of Obamacare.

If you wish to talk about the latest issue that's being debated on this topic about healthcare rather than the sleazy Jerry Springer stuff, read on.

The bills are the problem because private insurance is too highly priced in the US, due to it not being part of a free market.. instead it's part of excessive government involvement. Normally government involvement wouldn't be bad in a more accountable sense called universal healthcare, but we're talking about the US government and how poorly they handle almost anything.. since Obamacare also wants to subsidise private insurance, it's not about addressing ridiculous service costs to make healthcare and prescriptions more financially manageable, it's just going to pile on a mountain of debt due to the insurance industry getting favourable legislation as it cozy's up to Obama.
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Posted 12 August 2012 - 01:37 AM

If you wish to go the effeminate, emotional route.. it helps by not burdening taxpayers further on overpriced mediocre-coverage private insurance courtesy of Obamacare.

If you wish to talk about the latest issue that's being debated on this topic about healthcare rather than the sleazy Jerry Springer stuff, read on.

The bills are the problem because private insurance is too highly priced in the US, due to it not being part of a free market.. instead it's part of excessive government involvement. Normally government involvement wouldn't be bad in a more accountable sense called universal healthcare, but we're talking about the US government and how poorly they handle almost anything.. since Obamacare also wants to subsidise private insurance, it's not about addressing ridiculous service costs to make healthcare and prescriptions more financially manageable, it's just going to pile on a mountain of debt due to the insurance industry getting favourable legislation as it cozy's up to Obama.


Again you are wrong ,
Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

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Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act Posted Image Full title The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act Acronym PPACA Colloquial name(s) Affordable Care Act, Health Insurance Reform, Healthcare Reform, Obamacare Enacted by the 111th United States Congress Effective March 23, 2010
Most major provisions phased in by January 2014; remaining provisions phased in by 2020 Citations Public Law 111–148 Stat. 124 Stat. 119 through 124 Stat. 1025 (906 pages) Legislative history
  • Introduced in the House as the "Service Members Home Ownership Tax Act of 2009" (H.R. 3590) by Charles Rangel (DNY) on September 17, 2009
  • Committee consideration by: Ways and Means
  • Passed the House on October 8, 2009 (416–0)
  • Passed the Senate as the "Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act" on December 24, 2009 (60–39) with amendment
  • House agreed to Senate amendment on March 21, 2010 (219–212)
  • Signed into law by President Barack Obama on March 23, 2010
Major amendments Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010
Comprehensive 1099 Taxpayer Protection and Repayment of Exchange Subsidy Overpayments Act of 2011 United States Supreme Court cases National Federation of Independent Business v. Sebelius
The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA),[1] informally referred to as Obamacare,[2] is a United States federal statute signed into law by President Barack Obama on March 23, 2010. Together with the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act, it represents the most significant regulatory overhaul of the U.S. healthcare system since the passage of Medicare and Medicaid in 1965.[3]
PPACA is aimed primarily at decreasing the number of uninsured Americans and reducing the overall costs of health care. It provides a number of incentives, including subsidies, tax credits, and fees, to employers and uninsured individuals in order to increase insurance coverage.[4] Additional reforms are aimed at improving healthcare outcomes in the United States while updating and streamlining the delivery of health care. PPACA requires insurance companies to cover all applicants and offer the same rates regardless of pre-existing conditions or gender.[5][6] The Congressional Budget Office projected that PPACA will lower both future deficits[7] and Medicare spending.[8]
On June 28, 2012, the Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of much of PPACA in the case of National Federation of Independent Business v. Sebelius.[9][10]


THE CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE DISAGREE'S WITH YOU , THEY PROJECT THAT THE PPACA WILL ACTUALLY LOWER BOTH FUTURE DEFICITS , AND MEDICARE SPENDING .
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Posted 12 August 2012 - 04:38 AM

and the incessant drumbeat of negative advertising by Obama's...


So when the Dems do it it's 'negative advertising,' eh?
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Posted 12 August 2012 - 07:09 AM

Again you are wrong ,
Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

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Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act Posted Image Full title The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act Acronym PPACA Colloquial name(s) Affordable Care Act, Health Insurance Reform, Healthcare Reform, Obamacare Enacted by the 111th United States Congress Effective March 23, 2010
Most major provisions phased in by January 2014; remaining provisions phased in by 2020 Citations Public Law 111–148 Stat. 124 Stat. 119 through 124 Stat. 1025 (906 pages) Legislative history

  • Introduced in the House as the "Service Members Home Ownership Tax Act of 2009" (H.R. 3590) by Charles Rangel (DNY) on September 17, 2009
  • Committee consideration by: Ways and Means
  • Passed the House on October 8, 2009 (416–0)
  • Passed the Senate as the "Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act" on December 24, 2009 (60–39) with amendment
  • House agreed to Senate amendment on March 21, 2010 (219–212)
  • Signed into law by President Barack Obama on March 23, 2010
Major amendments Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010
Comprehensive 1099 Taxpayer Protection and Repayment of Exchange Subsidy Overpayments Act of 2011 United States Supreme Court cases National Federation of Independent Business v. Sebelius
The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA),[1] informally referred to as Obamacare,[2] is a United States federal statute signed into law by President Barack Obama on March 23, 2010. Together with the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act, it represents the most significant regulatory overhaul of the U.S. healthcare system since the passage of Medicare and Medicaid in 1965.[3]
PPACA is aimed primarily at decreasing the number of uninsured Americans and reducing the overall costs of health care. It provides a number of incentives, including subsidies, tax credits, and fees, to employers and uninsured individuals in order to increase insurance coverage.[4] Additional reforms are aimed at improving healthcare outcomes in the United States while updating and streamlining the delivery of health care. PPACA requires insurance companies to cover all applicants and offer the same rates regardless of pre-existing conditions or gender.[5][6] The Congressional Budget Office projected that PPACA will lower both future deficits[7] and Medicare spending.[8]
On June 28, 2012, the Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of much of PPACA in the case of National Federation of Independent Business v. Sebelius.[9][10]


THE CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE DISAGREE'S WITH YOU , THEY PROJECT THAT THE PPACA WILL ACTUALLY LOWER BOTH FUTURE DEFICITS , AND MEDICARE SPENDING .

http://www.cbo.gov/publication/21999

Under current law, CBO projects, budget deficits will drop markedly over the next few years—to $1.1 trillion in 2012, $704 billion in 2013, and $533 billion in 2014. Relative to the size of the economy, those deficits represent 7.0 percent of GDP in 2012, 4.3 percent in 2013, and 3.1 percent in 2014. From 2015 through 2021, the deficits in the baseline projections range from 2.9 percent to 3.4 percent of GDP.


$1.327 trillion (enacted)


(already 300 billion dollars off the revised 2013 estimates)

If you religiously want to believe CBO ESTIMATES THEN IT'S YOUR OWN NAIVETY.. oops sorry I got afflicted with your capslock bug.

Edited by zaibatsu, 12 August 2012 - 07:10 AM.

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 07:57 AM

So you run amok on this forum trashing Christians and religion, calling people morons, and report someone for "insensitive remarks"? Teapot meet kettle. :lol:

Oh, and for the trifecta, make sure to tell me about how you have nothing more to say to me. It's looking more and more like you have an inability to discuss simple topics with people without getting far too personal and far too emotional.

Any reasonable mod might suggest you avoid these discussions if you can't discuss them without crying like a baby because someone debated you on the subject of healthcare and didn't let you use daddy to win an argument.



Ok, "Rush", first of all, Running down an institution and a brain-washing method is not a personal attack...it is an attack on the thought processes, the belief systems, the philosophy being employed to explain away everything by way of a fairy-tale book and a supernatural invisible sky-man...what you said to me, and in reference to my father...was the very definition of a "personal" attack. You're a toxic human being, and it's very fitting that you had to cowardly hide behind a keyboard to make the comments you did. You should pull your lower lip up over your head, swallow, and put yourself out of other people's misery.
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Posted 12 August 2012 - 08:07 AM

Ok, "Rush", first of all, Running down an institution and a brain-washing method is not a personal attack...it is an attack on the thought processes, the belief systems, the philosophy being employed to explain away everything by way of a fairy-tale book and a supernatural invisible sky-man...what you said to me, and in reference to my father...was the very definition of a "personal" attack. You're a toxic human being, and it's very fitting that you had to cowardly hide behind a keyboard to make the comments you did. You should pull your lower lip up over your head, swallow, and put yourself out of other people's misery.

Yes and I bet calling me "Rush" is just attacking a thought process right? Teapot and kettle are getting well acquainted.

This is what you overreacted to:

It's solved problems how? Because you and your father can now afford excessively costly care on taxpayers shoulder so government can continue putting off an ever increasing major problem for the next generation to figure out of how to fix a broken economy and insane deficit? I don't see a solution, I see exacerbation of a problem.

In the US my medication costs me $150 a month even with insurance ($350 without), here in Ontario without prescription insurance it costs me $21 a month, with prescription insurance only a $4 dispensing fee from the pharmacy.

There's a very obvious mess to clean up first before trusting that government to blow more taxpayer money for their big pharma friends. Not until the government figures out how to balance a budget would I trust it with the enormous task of a manageable healthcare system that includes more government spending.

But it's okay that everyone else is now paying the arm and leg for you rather than just holding politicians accountable and electing ones that can both manage a budget and a health care system? Yay Obama.

"As long as I get what I want, who cares who I'm screwing over."


Oh boy that's such a terrible thing to say about your father. :lol:

If you can't handle discussion and debate just because the discussion by some very partial degree includes your father (who is not a wedge for this debate by the way, you think mentioning him in a debate allows you to shut someone up from continuing to defend their point) I don't know why you bother discussing at all. OTOH, the fact that you keep crying about reporting people, insulting forum posters, and continuously declaring you're done responding to people or done with the topic pretty aptly describes your dramatics.

Edited by zaibatsu, 12 August 2012 - 08:09 AM.

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 08:12 AM

Yes and I bet calling me "Rush" is just attacking a thought process right? Teapot and kettle are getting well acquainted.

This is what you overreacted to:



Oh boy that's such a terrible thing to say about your father. :lol:

If you can't handle discussion and debate just because the discussion by some very partial degree includes your father (who is not a wedge for this debate by the way, you think mentioning him in a debate allows you to shut someone up from continuing to defend their point) I don't know why you bother discussing at all. OTOH, the fact that you keep crying about reporting people, insulting forum posters, and continuously declaring you're done responding to people or done with the topic pretty aptly describes your dramatics.


You're so goddamned lucky you're not making those comments within earshot of me....just keep being the cowardly prick you are...
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Posted 12 August 2012 - 08:15 AM

You're so goddamned lucky you're not making those comments within earshot of me....just keep being the cowardly prick you are...

Save your rage and hilarious threats for the mental institution. Do you have anything resembling this topic to contribute toward? Your dramatics are starting to bore me.

Thread title:
Romney announces VP pick

Edited by zaibatsu, 12 August 2012 - 08:16 AM.

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 08:21 AM

Save your rage and hilarious threats for the mental institution. Do you have anything resembling this topic to contribute toward? Your dramatics are starting to bore me.

Thread title:
Romney announces VP pick


And your downright pretentiousness is really starting to piss me off. If anyone belongs in a mental institution, it's you, under "delusions of grandeur".
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Posted 12 August 2012 - 08:27 AM

Edit: Never mind, even though watching this kid overreact and rage at me is funny, I did point out we should actually discuss the topic so until I get a worthwhile topic-related response or find a topic-related post to respond to I'll bow out.

Edited by zaibatsu, 12 August 2012 - 08:36 AM.

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 08:42 AM

It is not funny .. it just confirms you act like a trolling cretin .. I would not be surprised if many folks here just refuse to respond to any of your posts .. if you act this way in person, it would explain why you have few friends .. "no man is an island" ..
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Posted 12 August 2012 - 08:48 AM

Ok, on topic...I pay my taxes just like anyone else in this country, I'm in the lower middle class, and this entire ticket, Romney/Ryan...is absolutely poisonous for anyone who isn't a millionaire. Seeing as how I actually LIVE in the US, I don't see, quite frankly, how anyone who DOESN'T has any frame of reference to even be in this conversation, much less insulting anyone's intelligence about it. And before you start up on things like "It will affect us indirectly" yes, you may have a point...but it will affect ME and other US citizens directly, so I'd say our voices are far more important on this issue.
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Posted 12 August 2012 - 09:09 AM

Ok, on topic...I pay my taxes just like anyone else in this country, I'm in the lower middle class, and this entire ticket, Romney/Ryan...is absolutely poisonous for anyone who isn't a millionaire. Seeing as how I actually LIVE in the US, I don't see, quite frankly, how anyone who DOESN'T has any frame of reference to even be in this conversation, much less insulting anyone's intelligence about it. And before you start up on things like "It will affect us indirectly" yes, you may have a point...but it will affect ME and other US citizens directly, so I'd say our voices are far more important on this issue.

Given I've lived over two decades in the US, am a dual citizen, only moving back to Canada last year, I'm pretty sure I'm well qualified to have an opinion on the subject, even though you wish to impose humorous conditions upon having an opinion so as there is nobody to disagree with you.

Of numerous issues, healthcare was the number one reason we moved back to Canada, anything short of universal is a joke, does not tabulate the actual costs of healthcare and the burden it provides not only upon the working class but taxpayers in general, and perpetuates private healthcare in the US which is far more costly and a worldwide joke. Obamacare is not universal healthcare, not even close. Obamacare is a subsidy to private insurance companies and a heavy cost to taxpayers without a "realized" (in monetary terms) offset, and is another corporatist piece of legislation. It's like socialising auto insurance in Ontario with the current state of anticompetitiveness and price gouging. The sooner Democrats begin to realize Obama is as much a spend thrift war mongering corporatist as much as Bush and Romney were/are (never), the better off they'll be in perhaps finding some other candidate to vote for ( :lol:).

Right now the US cannot afford the expenditures, the expenditures come first, which are realised before these supposed projected revenues the CBO is terrible at projecting come in, so if the revenues don't come in, surprise surprise, another trillion down the crapshoot. Before a single penny more is spent on health care the US needs a system that identifies and reduces the costs of providing healthcare and prescriptions rather than keeping it the way it is now, except mandatory private insurance, and just tossing the egregious bill to taxpayers and businesses. That's not a solution at all. That's making the problem way worse. I feel very sorry for people who still live in the US who are going to be levied with such an astronomical debt and valueless dollar due to voting for and allowing these politicians to get away with what they're doing. Even if Ryan's vision is short sighted to some degree, the best thing the US can do to salvage it's economic future is get it's deficits under control and offset them, tossing Obamacare onto the pile of debt already ridiculous amounts is a terrible idea.

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 09:11 AM

You don't live here now, you don't pay taxes, your opinion is useless.
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Posted 12 August 2012 - 09:15 AM

You don't live here now, you don't pay taxes, your opinion is useless.

Actually having a home I still own, I pay taxes. Going to the US every month and buying crap there, I pay taxes.

Are you done with the futile ad hominem? I doubt you can even grasp you haven't the foggiest idea of what you're talking about. :lol:

Edit: Oh, because I also maintain residency in the US I also still vote. My opinion useless? Only in your fantasy world.

What a surprise though, topic deviates once again due to Slaytanic's temper tantrum of someone daring to disagree with him.

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 10:06 AM

Here's the deal: there's a delicate balance between presenting your political stance and, in that, also managing to keep a sensitivity when others disclose personal information in making theirs. To continue to hammer a point across with little regard for that painful disclosure is rather cold and heartless. If it includes insults and prodding, it becomes something more and will warrant a time out.

Time for everyone to move past fighting and focus on the topic without any further insults....
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Posted 12 August 2012 - 10:52 AM

once again we will be handed a "which do you hate less" type of ticket. Ryan will be painted by the Dems as "just another Republican that wants to do exactly what Bush wanted... which is what got us into this mess." Which means the right will then throw out "see, all he does is blame other people.. he's still blaming Bush for this mess."
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Posted 12 August 2012 - 11:43 AM

The GOP does it again. It's the male version of Sarah Palin
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Posted 12 August 2012 - 01:23 PM

While introducing his new running mate, Romney said here is the "next president" of the United States. I think he is predicting the future in four years, 2016. Ryan may well be the president in four years.

Face it, presidents are not elected on policy. Its funny everyone on these thread argue right vs left, when its often comes down to the likeability of the president and Obama comes way ahead of Romney in every poll. Obama policies may suck but he will win in November simply because he is popular. Romney is stiff like a robot.

In the age of 24 media, it is image that counts. Who cares if Obama is a empty suit who did little while in office. All you need to do is look good and sound good.

That certainly applied to Ronald Reagan. He accomplish little in office, but managed to act and look as a president. Of course since he was an actor in earlier life you never knew when he was just acting. But he was know as the "great communicator". Just like Obama who is a great orator.
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Posted 12 August 2012 - 01:27 PM

The GOP does it again. It's the male version of Sarah Palin


A big difference. Ryan is a seven term Congressman while Palin was a 2 year Govenor. Palin was extremely unqualified to be VP because of her inexperience.

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 02:30 PM

It is appalling at how much bigotry and sheer ignorance is expressed on these forums. One guy likening the Holy Bible to some fairy tale, even though freedom of religion is protected under our constitution. Another guy is comparing the newest GOP VP nominee to the one from 4 years ago as if it's some kind of carbon copy. Really? What experience did Obama have by the way, to be qualified for president? We never hear about these things. Personally I am delighted of this selection. I can not wait for the Ryan Biden debate later in the year.
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Posted 12 August 2012 - 02:59 PM

http://www.cbo.gov/publication/21999
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(already 300 billion dollars off the revised 2013 estimates)

If you religiously want to believe CBO ESTIMATES THEN IT'S YOUR OWN NAIVETY.. oops sorry I got afflicted with your capslock bug.


The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) is a federal agency within the legislative branch of the United States government that provides economic data to Congress.[1] The CBO was created as a nonpartisan agency by the Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act of 1974.
The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) is a federal agency within the legislative branch of the United States government that provides economic data to Congress.[1] The CBO was created as a nonpartisan agency by the Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act of 1974.

i will certainly believe what a non partisan agency tells me , rather than listen to the rambling's of a person who has already shown that he does not know WTF is really going on , and seems to have little or no empathy at all for those less fortunate than himself
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Posted 12 August 2012 - 03:03 PM

The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) is a federal agency within the legislative branch of the United States government that provides economic data to Congress.[1] The CBO was created as a nonpartisan agency by the Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act of 1974.
The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) is a federal agency within the legislative branch of the United States government that provides economic data to Congress.[1] The CBO was created as a nonpartisan agency by the Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act of 1974.

i will certainly believe what a non partisan agency tells me , rather than listen to the rambling's of a person who has already shown that he does not know WTF is really going on , and seems to have little or no empathy at all for those less fortunate than himself

And I bet you believe textbooks on the ideals of government and how it should be run, rather than reality and how things are run. The fact that you give very little original opinion rather than copy/pasting Wikipedia illustrates that quite well. Some of us can formulate our own opinion independent of your two friends copy and paste.

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 03:13 PM

Edit: Never mind, even though watching this kid overreact and rage at me is funny, I did point out we should actually discuss the topic so until I get a worthwhile topic-related response or find a topic-related post to respond to I'll bow out.


and watching this selfish, ignorant self obsessed kid makes me realise why the world is getting to be a really crappy place for so many people .
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Posted 12 August 2012 - 03:19 PM

and watching this selfish, ignorant self obsessed kid makes me realise why the world is getting to be a really crappy place for so many people .

Are you two studying at the same drama queen school? Pros at overreacting that's for sure.
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Posted 12 August 2012 - 03:20 PM

And I bet you believe textbooks on the ideals of government and how it should be run, rather than reality and how things are run. The fact that you give very little original opinion rather than copy/pasting Wikipedia illustrates that quite well. Some of us can formulate our own opinion independent of your two friends copy and paste.


what i believe is that we should look after the most vulnerable members in our societies , and i put my money where my mouth is .
i do this because i empathise with others less fortunate than myself , i actually give a f#ck about someone else apart from myself .
you delude yourself into thinking you have an opinion because then you do not have to face the fact that you are a selfish greedy person who thinks only of himself .
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"These are the things to keep in mind. These are not just academic exercises. We're not analyzing the media on Mars or in the eighteenth century or something like that. We're dealing with real human beings who are suffering and dying and being tortured and starving because of policies that we are involved in, we as citizens of democratic societies are directly involved in and are responsible for, and what the media are doing is ensuring that we do not act on our responsibilities, and that the interests of power are served, not the needs of the suffering people, and not even the needs of the American people who would be horrified if they realized the blood that's dripping from their hands because of the way they are allowing themselves to be deluded and manipulated by the system."
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Posted 12 August 2012 - 03:24 PM

what i believe is that we should look after the most vulnerable members in our societies , and i put my money where my mouth is .
i do this because i empathise with others less fortunate than myself , i actually give a f#ck about someone else apart from myself .
you delude yourself into thinking you have an opinion because then you do not have to face the fact that you are a selfish greedy person who thinks only of himself .

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Which facet of getting a budget under control and saving a country's economy from imminent collapse, which would severely impact their vulnerable members, never mind everyone else, is selfish? It's nice you have all the touchy feely stuff down but reality doesn't care about that.

If you want me to play into your posting style, how about -- men are going to be unheard of as most of the men nowadays have turned into females.

It's clear Obama and Biden don't care about the future of the US, neither does Romney, but Romney's VP choice has somewhat the right mindset, so if Romney croaks, someone who would actually do something about the economy is now in charge. That seems the most plausible choice as the populace at large is too afraid of voting 3rd party or for someone who would do something (Ron Paul) more than sound bytes of "change" while being the third term of George Bush.

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 03:31 PM

:lol:

Which facet of getting a budget under control and saving a country's economy from imminent collapse, which would severely impact their vulnerable members, never mind everyone else, selfish? It's nice you have all the touchy feely stuff down but reality doesn't care about that.

you mock people who actually care and want to help others , while at the same time you try to validate your selfish atitude , you are the prime example of why the U.S is a stupid , selfish greedy society and people like myself and another poster in this thread have to come along and and help someone in another country when their own system fails them .
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Posted 12 August 2012 - 03:34 PM

you mock people who actually care and want to help others , while at the same time you try to validate your selfish atitude , you are the prime example of why the U.S is a stupid , selfish greedy society and people like myself and another poster in this thread have to come along and and help someone in another country when their own system fails them .

And how is vying for universal healthcare "selfish"? I'd love to read your explanation.

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