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#121 Mastaj

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 03:04 PM

Zaibatsu:

I think I can actually discern what you are advocating for - and that is both lower spending AND a universal healthcare system for the US. But.... your posts just come off as arrogant and insulting, which is probably why people can't take you seriously.

But onto the topic at hand:

While I agree that Obamacare is not truly universal healthcare - it is far closer than it was otherwise. Repealing this bill would not move the US any closer to a universal system. Why not leave this in place, until a new healthcare bill can be passed that is a truly universal system? (Will that happen in our lifetime? Probably not...). In my opinion, I don't think that Obamacare will increase government spending on healthcare, so why not allow the millions of uninsured Americans the chance to have at least some coverage? True, this does not address the issue which is the multi-payer insurance system of the US, but it pushes it closer to a system that we have here in Canada - or actually, a better comparable would be Germany.

Ryan's budget calls for drastic cuts to medicare - and you would have to agree, that is not the way to go either.
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Posted 13 August 2012 - 10:59 PM

Paul Ryan already benefited from the Social Security fund he now wants to gut



Rep. Paul Ryan, the GOP’s most outspoken advocate for cutting and privatizing Social Security, has already benefited from Social Security himself, in the form of survivor benefits he received after his father’s untimely death.

From the age of 16, when his 55-year-old father died of a heart attack, until he was 18, Ryan received Social Security payments, which, according to a lengthy profile in WI Magazine, he put away for college. The eventual budget czar attended Miami University in Ohio to earn a B.A. in economics and political science, and landed a congressional internship as a junior.

Ryan’s congressional ascent, all the way to the top spot on the Budget Committee, began with his Social Security-funded college education.


Ryan’s so-called Roadmap for America’s Future budget plan proposed machete-like cuts — most notably to social services like Medicare and Social Security. Paul’s idea was to invest portions of Social Security funds in Wall Street, essentially forcing future recipients to make unsecured investments with with money they’ll later need for retirement — and endangering survivor benefits like the ones he received.

“Ryan credits his father’s death and the care of his grandmother as giving him first-hand experience as to how social service programs work,” WI Magazine wrote, referencing his Alzheimer’s-stricken grandmother, also a beneficiary of the social programs Ryan now opposes, who moved in with Ryan and his mother after his father died.

Without the Social Security benefits he received, Ryan would have had more difficulty attending college, and wouldn’t have become “Wisconsin’s fiscal dreamboat,” as the profile dubs him, or, as Democrats nationwide have painted him, the Enemy Number 1 to seniors and social services.

Ryan’s “Roadmap” for Social Security would drive toward privatization of Social Security, and an “eventual modernization of the retirement age.”

Sen. Charles Schumer (D-NY) wagged his finger at Ryan in a statement in January: “Paul Ryan owes it to the national audience tonight to explain why he wants to privatize Social Security and Medicare.”

Ryan’s Social Security reforms didn’t make it into the final draft of the budget the House passed last week, but as the chairman of the Budget Committee, he’s in a position to push the House to adopt his plan at a later date.



The focus in the social entitlements cut conversation has been on seniors, but “survivor benefits,” like the payments that Ryan and his family received, and help for the disabled, account for about a third of Social Security payments.

Rep. Paul Ryan’s office did not respond to Raw Story’s requests for comment.


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Posted 13 August 2012 - 11:12 PM

^ That news report is just awesome. :lol:
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Posted 13 August 2012 - 11:14 PM

LOL....not surprising in the LEAST. :lol:
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Posted 14 August 2012 - 10:59 AM

It's not going to matter who gets elected. The US is going over the fiscal cliff and since it's the only way the democrats are ever going to get anything resembling a tax increase they are now in the driver's seat (right into the ditch, it's the US congress way!) in making sure that no new comprimise is ever enacted.

So Zaib cheer up big cuts to defense and a whole bunch of stuff that will make the already existing cuts look like the good old days to the entitled.
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Posted 14 August 2012 - 11:04 AM

It's not going to matter who gets elected. The US is going over the fiscal cliff and since it's the only way the democrats are ever going to get anything resembling a tax increase they are now in the driver's seat (right into the ditch, it's the US congress way!) in making sure that no new comprimise is ever enacted.

So Zaib cheer up big cuts to defense and a whole bunch of stuff that will make the already existing cuts look like the good old days to the entitled.


The Republicans hold a majority in the House of Representatives and they are also unabashed obstructionists in the Senate. Also, Obama's been ditch digging for the last 4 years. He'll need another 4 just to finish digging the U.S. out of Bush's 8 years of drunk driving .

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 11:07 AM

Zaibatsu:

I think I can actually discern what you are advocating for - and that is both lower spending AND a universal healthcare system for the US. But.... your posts just come off as arrogant and insulting, which is probably why people can't take you seriously.

But onto the topic at hand:

While I agree that Obamacare is not truly universal healthcare - it is far closer than it was otherwise. Repealing this bill would not move the US any closer to a universal system. Why not leave this in place, until a new healthcare bill can be passed that is a truly universal system? (Will that happen in our lifetime? Probably not...). In my opinion, I don't think that Obamacare will increase government spending on healthcare, so why not allow the millions of uninsured Americans the chance to have at least some coverage? True, this does not address the issue which is the multi-payer insurance system of the US, but it pushes it closer to a system that we have here in Canada - or actually, a better comparable would be Germany.

Ryan's budget calls for drastic cuts to medicare - and you would have to agree, that is not the way to go either.


The issue is that the US has to cut it's spending on healthcare, not expand them. It needs to cut it's spending on everything. It also needs some serious tax reform.

For all those people that think it's heartless to deny someone's dad their cheap meds just wait and see how they feel after the fiscal cliff gets enacted and 1 MILLION jobs are lost due to defence cuts and a MILLION more are lost from other cuts. Just the decrease in government spending alone are GUARANTEED to put the entire economy into recession.

If people think Obama inherited a hangover they ain't seen nothing yet!

Oh, and even all this isn't even close to stopping the US slide to bankruptcy. There's going to be a LOT bigger problems than dad not having his dementia meds. Much worse.

That's the result of the short term "me first damn the rest of them" thinking that has plagued the US.
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Posted 14 August 2012 - 11:16 AM

The Republicans hold a majority in the House of Representatives and they are also unabashed obstructionists in the Senate. Also, Obama's been ditch digging for the last 4 years. He'll need another 4 just to finish digging the U.S. out of Bush's 8 years of drunk driving .

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Ya and the democrats hold enough seats in the Senate to kill any comprimise bills (not that there was much danger of one). So over the cliff they are going.

I by certainly lay the majority of the blame the Republicans and their Americans for Tax Reform pledges that eliminated chances of comprimise FYI.

Next cartoon you can change it to "you can find it in the ditch, upside down, on fire, with two dead bodies in the trunk" since that's about how the US is going to be post fiscal cliff.
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Posted 14 August 2012 - 11:22 AM

Both parties are completely full of crap, but as Sharp said Obama's been diligently ditch digging the last four years, and I'm willing to give him four more to wipe out Alfred E Neumann's mess. That said, I really wish the two major third parties, Libertarian and Green (which I'm a member of) were relevant enough to affect a significant difference in this election.
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Posted 14 August 2012 - 11:31 AM

The guy seems a lot smarter than Romney.
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Posted 14 August 2012 - 11:34 AM

The guy seems a lot smarter than Romney.



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Posted 14 August 2012 - 11:40 AM

According to this CBS report, Obama has increased the National Debt by 4.939 trillion in his three years and two months in office (that was in March). It took Bush 8 years to reach a simlar amount.

http://www.cbsnews.c...han-under-bush/

Facts don't lie, despite the spin put on by Obama's supporter on this thread.

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 11:50 AM

According to this CBS report, Obama has increased the National Debt by 4.939 trillion in his three years and two months in office (that was in March). It took Bush 8 years to reach a simlar amount.

http://www.cbsnews.c...han-under-bush/

Facts don't lie, despite the spin put on by Obama's supporter on this thread.


Look, if you're going to call out "the supporter" why not have a set of balls and be more specific...I didn't say anything about being fully supportive of Obama, I just got done saying I think both parties are full of crap. The guy is unquestionably the most intelligent human being to hold the office of the President. I've got news for you though, if you're even familiar with how decisions get made in the US government...it's a system of checks and balances. Obama has very little power...it's the Congress that has to, by 2/3 vote, approve any expenditures...Obama (or any other president) can suggest things, but he cannot hold a gun to congress and say "I want this done or else."
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Posted 14 August 2012 - 11:54 AM

Ya and the democrats hold enough seats in the Senate to kill any comprimise bills (not that there was much danger of one). So over the cliff they are going.

I by certainly lay the majority of the blame the Republicans and their Americans for Tax Reform pledges that eliminated chances of comprimise FYI.

Next cartoon you can change it to "you can find it in the ditch, upside down, on fire, with two dead bodies in the trunk" since that's about how the US is going to be post fiscal cliff.


Not at all. In fact many of the very bills the Republicans introduced that the Democrats have agreed to, are the very same bills that when it came time to vote on, they voted against. Republicans have done whatever they can to obstruct the recovery of the economy after putting it into the ditch in the first place.

The continued push to extend the Bush tax cuts are more of the same from the Republicans.
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Posted 14 August 2012 - 12:01 PM

According to this CBS report, Obama has increased the National Debt by 4.939 trillion in his three years and two months in office (that was in March). It took Bush 8 years to reach a simlar amount.

http://www.cbsnews.c...han-under-bush/

Facts don't lie, despite the spin put on by Obama's supporter on this thread.


It wouldn't matter who was in power if you have a congress that refuses to cut entitlements OR raise taxes.
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Posted 14 August 2012 - 12:03 PM

Not at all. In fact many of the very bills the Republicans introduced that the Democrats have agreed to, are the very same bills that when it came time to vote on, they voted against. Republicans have done whatever they can to obstruct the recovery of the economy after putting it into the ditch in the first place.

The continued push to extend the Bush tax cuts are more of the same from the Republicans.


???

There's also plenty of democrats that are signed onto the Americans for Tax Reform pledge and no shortage of Republicans with their own pet entitlements they fight to keep.

It's pretty silly to be partisan when it's more a case of corrupt and even more corrupt.
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Posted 14 August 2012 - 12:04 PM

According to this CBS report, Obama has increased the National Debt by 4.939 trillion in his three years and two months in office (that was in March). It took Bush 8 years to reach a simlar amount.

http://www.cbsnews.c...han-under-bush/

Facts don't lie, despite the spin put on by Obama's supporter on this thread.


Almost 2 trillion of that was inherited dept from the Bush legacy, and with the Re-thugs doing everything they can to block ANY job-creation bills, they have kept the US economy stuck in the mire .. add in the fact that the Re-thugs block any effort to increase revenues, and you have an "Empire" teetering on falling into an abyss .. both sides are controlled by the mufti-national interests that dictate American domestic policy ..

You want to fix the troubles in the US of A?? .. start with a guillotine .. and start with the top .1 of 1% .. now THAT would have a trickle-down effect!! .. anything else is posturing, a joke and similar to sticking one finger in the dyke and the other up yer nether region ..

If only the American's who believe they are "Exceptional" and "God's Chosen" could realize the rest of the world laughs behind their back at how screwed up their country is .. 1st in dollars spent on health care per capita and 17th in results? .. and that is fudged IMO ..
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Posted 14 August 2012 - 12:07 PM

Almost 2 trillion of that was inherited dept from the Bush legacy, and with the Re-thugs doing everything they can to block ANY job-creation bills, they have kept the US economy stuck in the mire .. add in the fact that the Re-thugs block any effort to increase revenues, and you have an "Empire" teetering on falling into an abyss .. both sides are controlled by the mufti-national interests that dictate American domestic policy ..

You want to fix the troubles in the US of A?? .. start with a guillotine .. and start with the top .1 of 1% .. now THAT would have a trickle-down effect!! .. anything else is posturing, a joke and similar to sticking one finger in the dyke and the other up yer nether region ..

If only the American's who believe they are "Exceptional" and "God's Chosen" could realize the rest of the world laughs behind their back at how screwed up their country is .. 1st in dollars spent on health care per capita and 17th in results? .. and that is fudged IMO ..


LMAO...I just spit Grape AMP all over the monitor...guillotine...LOVE it...start executing a few of these pricks who make enough money as it is already...that'll surely make people take notice of the plight of "normal" Americans...i.e. those who aren't in the millionaire tax bracket...;)
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Posted 14 August 2012 - 12:10 PM

LMAO...I just spit Grape AMP all over the monitor...guillotine...LOVE it...start executing a few of these pricks who make enough money as it is already...that'll surely make people take notice of the plight of "normal" Americans...i.e. those who aren't in the millionaire tax bracket... ;)


Makes you wonder how those on right make accusations of it all being just part of simple class warfare!

Are you sure you couldn't get a little more extreme?
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Posted 14 August 2012 - 12:15 PM

Makes you wonder how those on right make accusations of it all being just part of simple class warfare!

Are you sure you couldn't get a little more extreme?


Oh...you have NO idea....;) I'd love to turn Tesla's Death Ray on the "1%".
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Posted 14 August 2012 - 12:25 PM

Almost 2 trillion of that was inherited dept from the Bush legacy, and with the Re-thugs doing everything they can to block ANY job-creation bills, they have kept the US economy stuck in the mire .. add in the fact that the Re-thugs block any effort to increase revenues, and you have an "Empire" teetering on falling into an abyss .. both sides are controlled by the mufti-national interests that dictate American domestic policy ..

You want to fix the troubles in the US of A?? .. start with a guillotine .. and start with the top .1 of 1% .. now THAT would have a trickle-down effect!! .. anything else is posturing, a joke and similar to sticking one finger in the dyke and the other up yer nether region ..

If only the American's who believe they are "Exceptional" and "God's Chosen" could realize the rest of the world laughs behind their back at how screwed up their country is .. 1st in dollars spent on health care per capita and 17th in results? .. and that is fudged IMO ..


The problem with your theory is that there are not enough super rich in the US to solve the US debt problems. There are only 236,833 people who made over $1 million. The number is too small for higher rates to make much difference to the budget. Only $73 Billion in new revenue would be raised with a 10% surcharge. The extra revenue would be only 2% of the federal budget.

http://www.cnn.com/2....buffett.wrong/

Taxing the rich may make you feel better but will do little to solve the financial mess in the US and other countries.

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 12:33 PM

Doing "little" is better than doing nothing, and is certainly better than eliminating programs that so many want to be cut for the sake of the budget...like NASA, for instance. We're already so far behind the rest of the world as far as science is concerned that it is absolutely disgraceful...and the goddamned right wing looney tunes want to cut out NASA and the space exploration venture altogether? I've abided these nutbars insisting that "creationism" be introduced as an (laughably ridiculous) alternative to evolution...but if they actually eliminate NASA...I'm going to be doing more than just posting sardonic replies on an internet message board.

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 12:38 PM

It wouldn't matter who was in power if you have a congress that refuses to cut entitlements OR raise taxes.


???

There's also plenty of democrats that are signed onto the Americans for Tax Reform pledge and no shortage of Republicans with their own pet entitlements they fight to keep.

It's pretty silly to be partisan when it's more a case of corrupt and even more corrupt.


Actually it matters very much who's in power. One party wants to extend the Bush Tax Cuts for the top income earners in the U.S., and the other wants to bring the tax level back to the rates before they were implemented.

To think that it doesn't matter who was in power is approaching the heights of stupidity,

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 12:43 PM

The problem with your theory is that there are not enough super rich in the US to solve the US debt problems. There are only 236,833 people who made over $1 million. The number is too small for higher rates to make much difference to the budget. Only $73 Billion in new revenue would be raised with a 10% surcharge. The extra revenue would be only 2% of the federal budget.

http://www.cnn.com/2....buffett.wrong/

Taxing the rich may make you feel better but will do little to solve the financial mess in the US and other countries.


Raise the taxes on everyone (elimiante Bush tax cuts) and then do all the Republican spending cuts.

Follow that up by "defaulting" on as much debt as possible to cut out the interest payments while (added bonus!) devalue the hell out of the dollar.

Then do some massive tax reform (by say having a lower corporate tax rate but with ZERO loopholes, and I mean zero) that combined with the low dollar might actually restart some actual manufacturing in the states.

Turn off the foreign wars if the middle east wants to blow itself up let it.

That would hurt like hell but in that situation they would at least have a chance of inflating their way out of the problems eventually and could in fact return to prosperity.

Of course, the odds of that are slim to none.
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Posted 14 August 2012 - 12:44 PM

Ron Paul 2012
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Posted 14 August 2012 - 12:50 PM

Ron Paul 2012


No thanks.

We don't need the U.S. to go back to pre-Civil Rights days.
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Posted 14 August 2012 - 12:53 PM

Actually it matters very much who's in power. One party wants to extend the Bush Tax Cuts for the top income earners in the U.S., and the other wants to bring the tax level back to the rates before they were implemented.

To think that it doesn't matter who was in power is approaching the heights of stupidity,


There's plently of democrats that support the Bush tax cuts and some are signed onto the Americans for tax reform.

They also had more than enough of a majority at the beginning of Obama's term to push through tax increases if they really wanted to.

Saying that it's only the Republicans that fight to avoid tax increases is about as naive as saying it's only the democracts fighting to keep entitlements.

It's not stupidity it's called being reality.

Now, if you say wanted to blame everying on the highly influently lobby group Americans for Tax Reform who will tax anyone who proposes raising taxes to task BIGTIME with attack ads and what not (they will in fact do that as a default for not signing on to their pledge) then you might be onto something.
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Posted 14 August 2012 - 12:54 PM

No thanks.

We don't need the U.S. to go back to pre-Civil Rights days.


Thank you.
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Posted 14 August 2012 - 01:00 PM

The problem with your theory is that there are not enough super rich in the US to solve the US debt problems. There are only 236,833 people who made over $1 million. The number is too small for higher rates to make much difference to the budget. Only $73 Billion in new revenue would be raised with a 10% surcharge. The extra revenue would be only 2% of the federal budget.

http://www.cnn.com/2....buffett.wrong/

Taxing the rich may make you feel better but will do little to solve the financial mess in the US and other countries.


I never suggested "taxing" the super rich .. if the USA does not take immediate steps to cure its ills, it will result in revolution, and the first ones that will be attacked will be the super-rich .. ala the French Revolution .. mind you most of them will be safely ensconced on the Riviera, living of their ill-gotten gains .. I give the USA 10 years .. then, like Rome and Britain, they will spiral down into another "Empire in the Muck" .. Capitalism run amok, like any "ISM" run amok, does not work in the long term .. just ask Karl Marx and The Marx Brothers .. B)
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#150 Tearloch7

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 01:08 PM

There's plently of democrats that support the Bush tax cuts and some are signed onto the Americans for tax reform.

They also had more than enough of a majority at the beginning of Obama's term to push through tax increases if they really wanted to.

Saying that it's only the Republicans that fight to avoid tax increases is about as naive as saying it's only the democracts fighting to keep entitlements.

It's not stupidity it's called being reality.

Now, if you say wanted to blame everying on the highly influently lobby group Americans for Tax Reform who will tax anyone who proposes raising taxes to task BIGTIME with attack ads and what not (they will in fact do that as a default for not signing on to their pledge) then you might be onto something.


Sorry but the "Blue Dog Dem's" were there to block any attempt at pushing thru an agenda that would raise revenue .. when your votes from 55 to 60 include a dying Ted Kennedy and the following group of Right-leaning folks, there was not a chance in hell that Obama was getting to forward his agenda:

Mark Begich (D-AK) 202-224-3004 – fax 202-224-2354
email(http://begich.senate...ct/contact.cfm_)
Blanche Lincoln (D-AR) 202-224-4843 – fax 202-228-1371
email(http://lincoln.senat...ntact/email.cfm)
Mark L. Pryor (D-AR) 202-224-2353 – fax 202-228-0908
Email(http://pryor.senate.gov/contact/)
Joseph Lieberman (I-CT) 202-224-4041 – fax 202-224-9750
Email (http://lieberman.senate.gov/contact/)
Thomas Carper (D-DE) 202-224-2441, fax 202-228-2190
Email (http://carper.senate.gov/contact/)
Bill Nelson (D-FL) 202-224-5274
Email (http://billnelson.se...ntact/index.cfm)
Johnny Isakson (R-GA) 202-224-3643, fax 202-0228-0724
Email (http://isakson.senate.gov/contact.cfm)
Evan Bayh (D-IN) 202-224-5623, fax 202-228-1377
Email (http://bayh.senate.gov/contact/email/)
Mary Landrieu (D-LA) 202-224-5824, fax 202-224-9735
Email (http://landrieu.sena...ntact/index.cfm)

Susan Collins (R-ME) 202-224-2523, fax 202-224-2693
Email(http://collins.senat...n=ContactSenato
rCollins.EmailIssue)
Olympia Snowe (R-ME) 800-432-1599, fax 202-224-1946
(http://snowe.senate....actSenatorSnowe)
Max Baucus (D-MT) 202-224-2651, fax 202-224-9412
Email (http://baucus.senate....cfm?subj=issue)
John Tester (D-MT) 202-224-2644, fax 202-224-8594
Email (http://tester.senate...ntact/index.cfm)
Kent Conrad (D-ND) 202-224-2043, fax 202-224-7776
Email(http://conrad.senate...act/webform.cfm)
Ben Nelson (D-NE) 202-224-6551, fax 202-228-0012
Email (http://bennelson.sen.../contact-me.cfm)
Ron Wyden (D-OR) 202-224-5244, fax 202-228-2717
Email (http://wyden.senate.gov/contact/)

Herb Kohl (D-WI) 202-224-5653, fax 202-224-9787
Email (http://kohl.senate.gov/contact.cfm)
Robert Byrd (D-WV) 202-224-3954, fax 202-228-0002
Email (http://byrd.senate.gov/contacts/)
Mark Warner (D-VA) 202- 224-2023, fax 202-224-6295
Email (http://warner.senate...x.cfm?p=Contact)

Tim Johnson (D-SD) 202-224-5842
Email (http://johnson.senate.gov/contact/)

Feel free to contact any of the above to confirm their relative positions on the matter ..

EDIT: Robert Byrd will require a seance or Ouija board to contact ..

Edited by Tearloch7, 14 August 2012 - 01:17 PM.

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