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Are the Vancouver Canucks' Stanley Cup Window Closing ?

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#91 D-Money

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 08:26 AM

At 29 and 30, the Sedins hit their peak. For two years they dominated. Last year, at 31, they took a step back. Logical reasoning says they'll be as-good-or-worse at 32. Maybe they'll have a slight improvement, but to say they'll regain their 2009-10/10-11 form is either ignorance or denial.

That said, the recent cups by LA and Boston showed that you don't need any DOMINANT forwards to win - you need stellar goaltending and depth. So our "cup window" over the next couple years will depend on 1) Cory Schneider playing lights-out, and 2) our younger players/prospects stepping up to give us a deeper, stronger bottom-9 forward group.
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Posted 13 August 2012 - 08:31 AM

Regardless of the source, the comments appear to be fair. We can't win without a few more tweaks and, even then, you need luck, everyone healthy, and the team firing on all cylinders. Our last month of the season we were pretty mediocre with PP, PK, and simply scoring. At present, we're not good enough to win it all.
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Posted 13 August 2012 - 08:44 AM

That said, the recent cups by LA and Boston showed that you don't need any DOMINANT forwards to win - you need stellar goaltending and depth. So our "cup window" over the next couple years will depend on 1) Cory Schneider playing lights-out, and 2) our younger players/prospects stepping up to give us a deeper, stronger bottom-9 forward group.


But really, our depth doesn't come close to theirs.

Give me even a guy like Jarret Stoll over a guy like David Booth, or Mason Raymond, or Chris Higgins, or Jannik Hansen, any day of the week. Stoll is a guy that's won at every level he's ever played at, knows what it takes to win, and is willing to sacrifice personal glory (in the way of not-too-impressive stats) to do so. Their forward group, really, demolishes ours. It's not even close.

Even on D, guys like Willie Mitchell, and Matt Greene, really are invaluable. Physical, steady, and hungry to win. Aaron Rome, IMO, was actually a bit like that, and his loss is going to hurt.

But this really isn't an LA/Vancouver debate. They're a better team than we are, as it stands today, and they're also younger. So it's not much of a debate.

Anyway, if the window really is now closed, which I do personally also believe, it makes you wonder if Gillis has any regrets for really doing nothing, after losing to Boston in the SCF, to improve the team. There were AMPLE signs in 2011-12 that this wasn't the same team as the 2010-11 one, and, really, nothing was addressed.
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Posted 13 August 2012 - 09:10 AM

building around a soft euro core has never been the way to win a cup.
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Posted 13 August 2012 - 11:10 AM

You People are hallucinating if you think team toughness isnt a major problem....Everyone just beats on the Sedins, and we dont have anyone that will step in
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Posted 13 August 2012 - 11:18 AM

Any more snipers? We don't have any snipers on this team. cody Hodgson was probably the closest this team had to a sniper.


Daniel Sedin?
Alex Burrows?
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Posted 13 August 2012 - 11:29 AM

Daniel Sedin?
Alex Burrows?


If you define a sniper as in, able to put the puck in the net when the goalie is not looking at you, then yes they are snipers.
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Posted 13 August 2012 - 11:49 AM

i personally think the window is realistically closed, not closing, even if it doesn't look that way. i view the canucks going into this coming season a lot like the team of 05-06. that team missed its chance in 2002-03 (like this one did losing in 2010-11), was upset the following year (again the same), and came into the 05-06 season as definite contenders, if not favourites to win. that team crapped the bed that year and missed the playoffs. i'm not sure the team will miss the playoffs this year (i'm not sure it's even possible with how terrible the division is), but i think it'll be another first round exit and time to blow things up after.


If you think our division is weak, you need to reconsider. Colorado and Edmonton will be improved because of their youth movement and Minnesota is clearly better. The only team with no improvements going into this season is Calgary. This division will put 3 teams into the post season this year.
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Posted 13 August 2012 - 12:02 PM

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 12:12 PM

We dont need any more snipers. We need someone who can pass


To Kesler.
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Posted 13 August 2012 - 12:14 PM

Honestly, people should just stop posting "articles" from Bleacher Report. Just a bunch of hack "writers" who don't know much more than the average poster on CDC.


Calling them articles is being far too generous. It's more like CDC wannabe writers.
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Posted 13 August 2012 - 12:22 PM

The guys I wanted MG to get but didn't were: Prust, Parros, and Carkner = Toughness problem solved. But MG didn't upgrade the toughness so don't be surprised if D. Sedin head is used a speed bag again.
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Posted 13 August 2012 - 12:23 PM

On face value;

Hank > Kopitar, Burrows = Williams, Danny is better than Brown.
Kess (healthy) is = or > Richards but was not healthy and is not healthy, Carter > Booth and Penner > Higgins (certainly in the play off). You could call match ups as draw or a win for us on talent?

But there is an awfully BIG but? Physically Kopitar/Brown/Williams > Hank/Danny/Burrows and Penner/Richards/Carter is also > Kesler/Booth/Higgins. For the record line 3 and 4 also can trump the speed and size of our line 3 and 4. If you are catching the point, the speed and size of L.A. creates match up problems for us as we are constructed. And thats when everyone is healthy.

MG has identified the need to get bigger, and I can only presume introducing "younger" as is also the pitch will help address young legs / vigour (see Adam Henrique and what he offers) extending our window. C'mon MG, lets get that done!


Yeah well Burrows and Kesler aren't slouches and Higgins, and Booth aren't either, but your right they are better physically but we have more talent, and that's what it take talent right or else goons would be playing top 6, but as we have witnessed you do need an element of toughness with your top guys.

I think the Sedin's are just as tough as Kopitar during the game (alot of people won't understand that) it's just after the whistles when they get pushed around, they can take anything in between the whistles and they have proved that. Kopitar is bigger but the Sedins can handle any defensemen in the league and still produce at a high level, Kopitar can too but it's more to do with his size, which the Sedin's don't have so I think for all the punishment they take and they keep coming for more, they are just as "game tough" if you understand that. And that's what matters the most, if we can back them up more after the whistles they will be able to handle everything else and produce.

Carter isn't all that tough, he's just big and skilled but he is tougher than average, probably about a Booth or Higgins (imo), Kesler and Richards are equal in toughness, Burrows could compare to Williams or whoever in both skill and toughness (but I think he is grittier and maybe tougher).

I think our defense is tougher than theres, Bieksa and Hamhuis equal out to maybe.. Scuderi and Mitchell? Doughty = Edler (in toughness) Neither are really all that tough but they can play gritty and hit hard. Ballard is tougher than Martinez imo, Tanev = Voynov maybe Voynov is tougher cause he's more experianced, Alberts = to or > than whoever else is left.


We don't have anyone to match against Penner or King other than maybe Kassian moving forward if he can show the toughness he has but I don't think they are alot tougher than us, they are tougher but not by a ton imo.


Like you said MG is making moves to improve our team in those areas and I think there will be more moves made this month than last, and I don't even think we have seen the best out of some of our current players like Booth and others so I'm excited with our team moving forward.

Edited by Smashian Kassian, 13 August 2012 - 12:26 PM.

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 12:45 PM

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In the first round of the 2010 playoffs, the Canucks had a tough time with the Los Angeles Kings. Despite the 3-vs-6 matchup, the Canucks fell behind 2-1 in their series before rallying to take the series in six games.
In 2012, the Canucks might have been just as good, but the Kings were a lot better. This time, the matchup was 1-vs-8, but that didn't stop Los Angeles from dominating the series in five games before rolling all the way to the Stanley Cup.
The Kings aren't the only Western Conference rival making big changes. Minnesotaserved noticed that they're a force to be reckoned with when they signed Zach Pariseand Ryan Suter to their $98 million free-agent contracts this summer. Other teams have also been working to improve without dominating the headlines quite so dramatically.
When the new season starts, we'll start to see who has made the most effective adjustments. If the Canucks aren't also getting better, then they're sliding backwards.



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Posted 13 August 2012 - 12:50 PM

1 vs 8? do you even watch hockey Carol...


Vancouver (1st seed) vs LA (8th seed).
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Posted 13 August 2012 - 12:51 PM

1 vs 8? do you even watch hockey Carol...


It says in 2010? Do you even read?
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Posted 13 August 2012 - 01:04 PM

It says in 2010? Do you even read?


Oh, burn.
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Posted 13 August 2012 - 01:06 PM

I think ours is good, Penner really didn't do much until the playoffs, so who knows how good he will be, Gagne was injured for the season so who know's how good he will be.

I think our top 3 is better than there top 3.

Sedins + Kesler > Kopitar + Carter + Richards

Burrows is probably equal to Williams, maybe better.

Brown is better than Booth, but then we also have Higgins and Hansen who have both been good and could be a good comparison against Penner, Gagne or whoever.

There bottom 6 guys stepped up but ours have shown that we can do that too, so it's not like they are a ton better.

I think our defense is better too I just think there's stepped up at the right time.


You know that the difference is though?

Kopitar, Richards, Brown, Carter will score for you in the playoffs.
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Posted 13 August 2012 - 01:06 PM

I don't believe the window is closing.

I also don't believe the NHL is shifting towards physical play and smothering defence.

I believe the NHL is more unpredictable than ever, and the opinions of the NHL, TSN, and all other speculators including the fans don't matter for much.

Next year's winner could be another defensive team (ex. Kings).
It could be an intimidating, bully-type team (ex. Bruins).
It could be a offensive zone domination team (ex. Canucks).
Or, it could be something else.

The Sedins aren't old (come on, 32?), Kesler's not going to F up his recovery this time, Booth and Kassian know what to expect, Higgins isn't high on drugs / throwing up anymore, Raymond will improve (god knows by how much), Burr is going to be Burr,

Garrison will outplay Salo (I loved the old man, but seriously Garrison is a big upgrade). Edler will regain his form. Bieksa and Hamhuis are solid. Tanev is improving.

Schneider will only get better (and possibly go head-to-head with Lu).

Overall, the team has had a near-full offseason to rest and contemplate. I think we have a great chance this year, key word being chance.

I think we'll make it further than last year, but who wins the Cup among the final 8 is as random as a puck being deflected off 2 men and sliding into the net.


Why does everyone automatically assume Garrison is going to flourish in Vancouver? He's had one good season. I just don't understand why everyone is in love with this guy. 4.6 million for 6 years and he could very well be a bust. I really just hope for the sake of the franchise, that people like him because he's actually good and not because he's from BC. Now we've got like 4 old d-men locked up longterm (who was the genius who thought of that brilliant idea?) and we'll probably end up trading our defensive prospects because they won't want to be bottom 6 players. And if Garrison does end up sucking donkey d*ck we can't trade him cause he's got a no trade clause!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BRILLIANT THINKING MANAGEMENT!!!

This better be the year we win it all or I for one am hanging up the jersey for the next decade until we're competitive again.
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Posted 13 August 2012 - 01:45 PM

Why this team hasn't had won a cup yet with this core.

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I feel the same way

You know that the difference is though?

Kopitar, Richards, Brown, Carter will score for you in the playoffs.


Henrik has 71 points in 95 career playoffs games and has been either above PPG, exactly PPG or close too it in each of the last 4 playoffs.

Daniel has basicly the same stats has Henrik but he only has 64 points in 92 games, and he has also been PPG in the last 4 playoffs aswell like the way I said Henrik was.

Kesler has had 36 points in 53 playoff games, he has been close to PPG in every playoffs, 3 pts in 5 games last year. 19P in 25G in 2011, 10P in 12 G in 2010, then 4P in 10G in 09, so he has been pretty good too and he is so good in other areas that can be just as important.

Burrows hasn't been as good overall (1P in 5G last year, 17P in 25G in '11, 6P in 12G in '10, 4P in 12G in 09) but he is clutch, he has scored in every game that we have eliminated a team since the 09 playoffs other than the Nashville Series, and obvisouly the clutch goals like game 7 in OT, eliminating St.Louis, OT game 2 SCF, opening the scoring in big games like game 5 WCF, so he is a good playoff player aswell.


And Carter wasn't even that impressive, his preformance was overrated, he had some big goals but wasn't a huge producer for them.

But anyways about us, I think they have proven they are capable.

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 01:50 PM

Why does everyone automatically assume Garrison is going to flourish in Vancouver? He's had one good season. I just don't understand why everyone is in love with this guy. 4.6 million for 6 years and he could very well be a bust. I really just hope for the sake of the franchise, that people like him because he's actually good and not because he's from BC. Now we've got like 4 old d-men locked up longterm (who was the genius who thought of that brilliant idea?) and we'll probably end up trading our defensive prospects because they won't want to be bottom 6 players. And if Garrison does end up sucking donkey d*ck we can't trade him cause he's got a no trade clause!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BRILLIANT THINKING MANAGEMENT!!!

This better be the year we win it all or I for one am hanging up the jersey for the next decade until we're competitive again.


He's had three seasons of incredibly solid defensive play. At worst, he's the solid shutdown guy you crave. At best, he brings the offence and is the Hamhuis to Edler's Bieksa. He won't hit 16 goals again but I think he can still put up decent numbers skating with Edler and the Twins. 10 goals, 30 points isn't out of the question if he gets first unit powerplay time.
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Posted 13 August 2012 - 01:53 PM

Our window for legitimately contending is closing. With the current group I think we have one more very good shot this year, and a lesser shot next year. After that it's tough seeing them being a top team unless some of our young players massively overachieve.
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Posted 13 August 2012 - 01:55 PM

Why does everyone automatically assume Garrison is going to flourish in Vancouver? He's had one good season. I just don't understand why everyone is in love with this guy. 4.6 million for 6 years and he could very well be a bust. I really just hope for the sake of the franchise, that people like him because he's actually good and not because he's from BC. Now we've got like 4 old d-men locked up longterm (who was the genius who thought of that brilliant idea?) and we'll probably end up trading our defensive prospects because they won't want to be bottom 6 players. And if Garrison does end up sucking donkey d*ck we can't trade him cause he's got a no trade clause!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BRILLIANT THINKING MANAGEMENT!!!

This better be the year we win it all or I for one am hanging up the jersey for the next decade until we're competitive again.


I dont think he does have a NTC does he?

And I'm not sure why he wont be as good like think about it?

His shot wont get any lighter, he won't get any smaller, he won't loose that ability, he still will have the speed and if anything will be faster, he will still have the same ability so I'm not sure why he wont be good?

Its the same thing with Ballard, he still has the ability he has shown in the past he just needs to be able to have the freedom to play his game, but that's another topic I wont go into right now, but really Garrison isn't getting any worse, he's in his prime or coming into it so I like the move.
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Posted 13 August 2012 - 05:22 PM

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I feel the same way



Henrik has 71 points in 95 career playoffs games and has been either above PPG, exactly PPG or close too it in each of the last 4 playoffs.

Daniel has basicly the same stats has Henrik but he only has 64 points in 92 games, and he has also been PPG in the last 4 playoffs aswell like the way I said Henrik was.

Kesler has had 36 points in 53 playoff games, he has been close to PPG in every playoffs, 3 pts in 5 games last year. 19P in 25G in 2011, 10P in 12 G in 2010, then 4P in 10G in 09, so he has been pretty good too and he is so good in other areas that can be just as important.

Burrows hasn't been as good overall (1P in 5G last year, 17P in 25G in '11, 6P in 12G in '10, 4P in 12G in 09) but he is clutch, he has scored in every game that we have eliminated a team since the 09 playoffs other than the Nashville Series, and obvisouly the clutch goals like game 7 in OT, eliminating St.Louis, OT game 2 SCF, opening the scoring in big games like game 5 WCF, so he is a good playoff player aswell.


And Carter wasn't even that impressive, his preformance was overrated, he had some big goals but wasn't a huge producer for them.

But anyways about us, I think they have proven they are capable.


So, you call Carter's performance overrated even though you admit that he scored some big goals, yet you call Alex Burrows clutch and not overrated for the exact same reasons and you admit that he wasn't a huge producer either? I appreciate your positivity and support for the Canucks but you sound like a major homer when you make comments like that.
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Posted 13 August 2012 - 05:33 PM

I dont think he does have a NTC does he?

And I'm not sure why he wont be as good like think about it?

His shot wont get any lighter, he won't get any smaller, he won't loose that ability, he still will have the speed and if anything will be faster, he will still have the same ability so I'm not sure why he wont be good?

Its the same thing with Ballard, he still has the ability he has shown in the past he just needs to be able to have the freedom to play his game, but that's another topic I wont go into right now, but really Garrison isn't getting any worse, he's in his prime or coming into it so I like the move.


Have you never heard of players playing their best hockey in contract years and then settling into mediocrity or not living up to their play or the expectations that they have after they sign their big deal? It happens in all sports. Hopefully it doesn't happen with Garrison but you'd be a fool not to worry about it, especially considering he had by FAR his best year when he was entering his free agent year. It's happened to many before him and he's going to have more pressure to perform than ever before and hopefully he can live up to the contract and the huge expectations.
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Posted 13 August 2012 - 06:12 PM

It says in 2010? Do you even read?

hmm... clearly I dont, my bad.
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Posted 13 August 2012 - 07:16 PM

It says in 2010? Do you even read?


It says...

In the first round of the 2010 playoffs, the Canucks had a tough time with the Los Angeles Kings. Despite the 3-vs-6 matchup, the Canucks fell behind 2-1 in their series before rallying to take the series in six games.

Then...

In 2012, the Canucks might have been just as good, but the Kings were a lot better. This time, the matchup was 1-vs-8, but that didn't stop Los Angeles from dominating the series in five games before rolling all the way to the Stanley Cup.

Yeah so Carol got it right. 2010 = 3 vs 6 matchup, 2012 = 1 vs 8 matchup. Where's the problem with that?
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Posted 13 August 2012 - 07:43 PM

building around a soft euro core has never been the way to win a cup.

Detroit Red Wings say hello.Over half of their cup winning teams were Europeans in 2002 and 2008.
The 2008 Detroit cup winner had 9 Swedes,alone, while the 2002 Detroit cup winner's core had 10 Europeans with names like Fedorov,Larionov,Datsyuk,Hasek,Holmstrom,Lidstrom,Slegr and Krupp.
In fact,if anybody cares to look we can find that the top ten scorers for the 2008 Stanley Cup winners from Detroit had 9 Europeans and only one North American-an American,Brian Rafalski.Not even one Canadian:
http://redwings.nhl....season=20072008

There is so much racism in this post/statement and I find it to be offensively ignorant,very similar to Don Cherry ignoramus Canadiana propaganda.
Buddy,water freezes all over the WORLD's northern hemisphere,not just in Canada.

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http://redwings.nhl....ge.htm?id=44033

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 08:02 PM

It says...

In the first round of the 2010 playoffs, the Canucks had a tough time with the Los Angeles Kings. Despite the 3-vs-6 matchup, the Canucks fell behind 2-1 in their series before rallying to take the series in six games.

Then...

In 2012, the Canucks might have been just as good, but the Kings were a lot better. This time, the matchup was 1-vs-8, but that didn't stop Los Angeles from dominating the series in five games before rolling all the way to the Stanley Cup.

Yeah so Carol got it right. 2010 = 3 vs 6 matchup, 2012 = 1 vs 8 matchup. Where's the problem with that?


Exactly, there is no problem.
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Posted 13 August 2012 - 08:06 PM

stupid article on top of a stupid poll. MOst teals windows are natually closing because their players are getting older. This is a given at least to the top 10 NHL teams right now. No point crying and whinning about it. Gillis is doing his best to do whats best for the team. He even went did something no gm's would do, which was offer Weber a 14 million dollar 1 year contract.
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Players Nikolaj Ehlers have been compared too by the fan base of the Vancouver Canucks.

 

1 Pavel Bure

2 Markus Naslund

3 Nathan Mackkinon

4 Jonathan Drouin.

5 Jonathan Tavares

 

http://bleacherrepor...d-top-prospects

combine results.  Ehlers 5'11 162 lbs of solid rock.  





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