VICanucksfan5551 Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Why do Atheists ridicule the belief that we came into being from something with a conciousness? This has been an idea that has entered the conscious mind of humanity for a long, long time and has been evident in many different parts of the world and times, including our modern times. So the folks who simply stop at "we came in to being by chance" is the one that would seem mindless, no? It's like they are rejecting years of consensus that has survived with humanity so long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slaytanic Wehrmacht Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Why do Atheists ridicule the belief that we came into being from something with a conciousness? This has been an idea that has entered the conscious mind of humanity for a long, long time and has been evident in many different parts of the world and times, including our modern times. So the folks who simply stop at "we came in to being by chance" is the one that would seem mindless, no? It's like they are rejecting years of consensus that has survived with humanity so long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super19 Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Should we have rejected years of consensus that there was a Sun god? Or that the Sun revolved around the earth? Or that the earth was flat?....etc, etc? Why would you listen to the consensus of ignorant uneducated laymen over the consensus of the informed educated expert when it came to telling you what's real, probable, factual, actual and what's not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 See, that's the kind of nonsense that the Bible professes that people believe as some divine revelation. But, change is ALWAYS coming....that's not a 'revelation'.....it's a universal constant. And saying so, doesn't give me divine foresight, nor does it give the Bible any extra authoritative weight or clout. Change is coming and occurring from the moment you're born. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slaytanic Wehrmacht Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 I believe you're being deliberately obtuse. Sudden and complete collapse of every government across the planet =/= normal, ongoing change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Really? Not normal ongoing change? How many civilizations that were around in ancient times are still flourishing today? Government notwithstanding....the Greek empire is gone, the Roman Empire is gone, the Ottoman empire is gone. Things progress as time does. Sorry, but that's not a revelation, and it doesn't take some kind of divine knowledge to figure that out. The collapse of civilizations and governments are due to human nature, not because some book of vague instructions foretells it to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Evil Twin Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Every government, earthwide, at the same time =/= what you're talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slaytanic Wehrmacht Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Every government, earthwide, at the same time =/= what you're talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 You don't seriously believe all governments around the world will fall at the same time, do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super19 Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Ooh nice. Now we get into the cosmology part of this discussion. "Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing," writes Stephen Hawking, the man who is Britain's most famous living scientist. "Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist. "It is not necessary to invoke God to light the blue touch paper and set the universe going." In the forthcoming book, published on 9 September, Hawking says that M-theory, a form of string theory, will achieve this goal: "M-theory is the unified theory Einstein was hoping to find," he theorises. "The fact that we human beings – who are ourselves mere collections of fundamental particles of nature – have been able to come this close to an understanding of the laws governing us and our universe is a great triumph." Hawking says the first blow to Newton's belief that the universe could not have arisen from chaos was the observation in 1992 of a planet orbiting a star other than our Sun. "That makes the coincidences of our planetary conditions – the single sun, the lucky combination of Earth-sun distance and solar mass – far less remarkable, and far less compelling as evidence that the Earth was carefully designed just to please us human beings," So, actually in response to this question, I , along with a great number of proponents of M-theory, do not agree with your assumption that we stopped at "we came into being by chance". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Evil Twin Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slaytanic Wehrmacht Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 I think that's the crux of it for your beliefs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slaytanic Wehrmacht Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Will it be the same day? Week? Hour? Month? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Will it be the same day? Week? Hour? Month? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super19 Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 My "beliefs" as you put them are centered on factual evidence and direct observations, not speculation and hearsay. But yes, that's pretty much the gist of it. The universe was not created, and therefore needed no Creator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Evil Twin Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Not sure if it's a day/week/month/year - just that it will happen in a relatively short period of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slaytanic Wehrmacht Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Well no, universe was created as the Big Bang had an origin right? and doesn't multiverse theory answer 'what started the Big Bang"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 What positive consequences will this bring? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slaytanic Wehrmacht Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Psalm 37:11 - New International Version (NIV)But the meek will inherit the land and enjoy peace and prosperity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted August 15, 2012 Author Share Posted August 15, 2012 I believe you're being deliberately obtuse. A government-sponsored dismantling of religious organizations =/= universal constant. Sudden and complete collapse of every government across the planet =/= normal, day-to-day change. Saying you don't believe these things will happen is one thing - claiming they're just part of a regular lifetime is another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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