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Posted 15 August 2012 - 12:08 PM

How would a person of mixed raced fit in this picture? Like a South Asian father and white mother.

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 12:10 PM

its the temples money and they wish to use it to fund a league that promotes south asian youth to become active...dont see anything wrong with that. and i dont see anybody crying discrimination, or racism when there are scottish, portugese, chinese, and even CHURCH only leagues...somehow when the south asian community does it it garners media attention and portayed as racist ...smh

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 12:38 PM

its the temples money and they wish to use it to fund a league that promotes south asian youth to become active...dont see anything wrong with that. and i dont see anybody crying discrimination, or racism when there are scottish, portugese, chinese, and even CHURCH only leagues...somehow when the south asian community does it it garners media attention and portayed as racist ...smh


Couldn't agree more.

Furthermore, a league directed at promoting South Asian culture is not the same as a "white" only league. Firstly, what does white mean? Who is white? White is not a culture.


Secondly, if Canada is going to remain a multicultural country, you have to give minority cultures the opportunity to promote and retain their cultures. This means they must be allowed to organize cultural events and social clubs that specifically target members of their communities. It's not as though there is a shortage of soccer clubs for people to join. I see no issue with a minority group using soccer as a means of reaching out to their community.

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 01:11 PM

I find this comment extremely ignorant. You do realize that the majority of young East Asian people playing in this league WERE BORN IN CANADA, do you not? :picard:

On the one hand, I do see how the situation being discussed in the OP could be perceived as reverse discrimination......on the other.......what's the difference if it was a girls only league, or a boys only league or a Brits only league? Would you see a guy playing on the women's Olympic team? Not likely, eh?


I would have to disagree with your comparison of gender based leagues as they are separated on the basis of physical ability.

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 03:40 PM

its the temples money and they wish to use it to fund a league that promotes south asian youth to become active...dont see anything wrong with that. and i dont see anybody crying discrimination, or racism when there are scottish, portugese, chinese, and even CHURCH only leagues...somehow when the south asian community does it it garners media attention and portayed as racist ...smh


Goes to show how all organizations based on religion, race, or sex are inherently bigoted and exclusionary.
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Posted 15 August 2012 - 03:44 PM

And don't forget about field hockey. It's handist against lefties!


It's amusing seeing men playing a sport that was designed for women. :lol:

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 04:02 PM

Maybe there isn't enough that have interest and therefore you cannot create a team that is primarily Indo? "In a statement, league president Sim Sumra said tournaments have historically been sponsored by Sikh gurdwaras who want to encourage Indo-Canadian participation in the sport"

Either way, it's a joke. Let the kids play. And create more teams. Problem solved.
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Posted 15 August 2012 - 04:05 PM

People wonder why racism still exists today. We will never more forward as a soceity if we allow indo/white/christian only leagues. Come on come all.

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 04:34 PM

So a white person being discriminated against, and everyone is upset?

See how it feels.

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 04:36 PM

How would a person of mixed raced fit in this picture? Like a South Asian father and white mother.


They're only allowed to play till half-time.

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 04:42 PM

So a white person being discriminated against, and everyone is upset?

See how it feels.


Sorry - but this isn't the first occasion of a caucasion being discriminated against.

I couldn't stop shaking my head when I watched the news last night, and they kept referring to this as 'reverse discrimination'.... no..... it's just discrimination... there is no such thing as 'reverse'
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Posted 15 August 2012 - 04:44 PM

Sorry - but this isn't the first occasion of a caucasion being discriminated against.

I couldn't stop shaking my head when I watched the news last night, and they kept referring to this as 'reverse discrimination'.... no..... it's just discrimination... there is no such thing as 'reverse'


Yeah I pretty much was like, "WTF is reverse discrimination?" As if only whites were allowed to discriminate.

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 04:50 PM

Never found a league I couldn't play in unless I was crape. (girls leagues excepted).

This is total BS and further proves that some cultures prefer not to integrate if at all possible.
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Posted 15 August 2012 - 05:00 PM

So a white person being discriminated against, and everyone is upset?

See how it feels.


Oh, so this is about revenge? That makes it alright then, I guess.

It's funny. The vast majority of "white" people I know make a point to consciously not be racist, and recognize racism as something fundamentally wrong and as something to be ashamed about. Meanwhile, I've been openly mocked and denied employment by Asians in this country because I'm not "one of them".

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 05:10 PM

I don't think people understand what discrimination is, let alone what reverse discrimination is.

Discrimination is the unfair or prejudicial treatment of any minority group by the majority population (in the Lower Mainland, that applies to every municipality except for Richmond where Chinese has only recently surpassed white as the majority population.)

Reverse Discrimination is then the prejudicial treatment of the majority population by any minority group. (In Surrey, white is still the majority population.)

If this league barred white boys from playing on a team, then that would be considered discriminatory. However, the rule does not state this; it allows for boys who are not South Asian, white included, to play on the team. In fact, the team currently already has boys from different backgrounds who are not South Asian playing on the team. But it does have a limit on how many of those boys can be from a background that is not South Asian. In essence, this rule is no different than the CFL rule regarding the number of non-Canadian players a team can have on its roster.

Ironically, the existence of this rule is actually the opposite of discriminatory since it makes allowances for non-South Asian players to play in the league. In fact, the very concept of "racial quotas" is a concept used to prevent racism, which many large companies use today, and it is part of Affirmative Action.

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 06:42 PM

A racial quota is still a form of racism.


It should not matter at all what race someone is in any situation. If it does then it is racial discrimination, I would think that is obvious.

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 07:05 PM

If there aren't spots being used by Indian kids, then why not give it to boys of other cultures?

Also, is the exercise and participation in sport, for non-indian kids, especially in such a multi-cultural setting, any less important??

Where's the spirit of inclusivity and equality from the temple people who purport to represent a religion that is based on diversity, tolerance and equality?

I look back and think of a time when Indians couldn't get on soccer teams here in the lower mainland back in the 70's and 80's, because of unspoken quotas. This kinda feels like that the other way as well.

I'm sure that the people in charge aren't trying to be discriminatory or border-line exclusionists, but it sort of has that vibe with the way the rules are currently set up. I understand if they can't change them on the fly, but I'd hope they take a look at this for next year and amend them to serve not only their own constituents, but a larger one within the community, that they are also a part of.

Besides, isn't more cross-culture friendships, play and work better for all involved??

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 07:51 PM

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 08:03 PM

This is very racist and I don't get how anyone could defend that. If kids want to play don't hold them back because a certain race doesn't have enough participants. That's no ones fault at all, so why should anyone have to suffer? Like they've been saying "if you can play, you can play" :canucks:

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 09:28 PM

I think this being put on the news is stirring up bad feelings that otherwise might not even be there. Let them have their league...there are many more out there.
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Posted 15 August 2012 - 10:32 PM

This is very racist and I don't get how anyone could defend that. If kids want to play don't hold them back because a certain race doesn't have enough participants. That's no ones fault at all, so why should anyone have to suffer? Like they've been saying "if you can play, you can play" :canucks:


No, this isn't 'racist'. There's a difference between a race and an ethnicity.

I don't necessarily agree with all the rules, but there isn't a hint of racism from what the people are trying to do for the kids in their minority community. I don't agree with the perception of being exclusionary but I understand it.

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 10:05 AM

omg, thats so stupid
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Posted 23 August 2012 - 03:41 AM

The most ignorant comments in this thread are getting the most pluses as usual. Comparing ethnic discrimination to sexual discrimination? Laugh out loud worthy from someone who sits on the pedestal and casts out judgment while reading "fifty shades of gray" to fulfill their fantasies.

I'm Caucasian but and I don't have a significant problem with this. These Sikh Temples want their youth to live an active and healthy life while retaining some semblance of tradition and ties to their heritage in the process. Ultimately they will fail but that is besides the point.

People group "white" altogether nowadays which is fine but the same thing is going to happen with other categories of human peoples. You think the Irish, Welsh, Scottish and English always got along? If I was Sikh and was called Hindu I would be insulted. Just as if I was an Irish Catholic being called an English Protestant.

My point is people need to put aside these categories and labels that they use to define themselves and restrict others. Race is a socially constructed and stories like this and the Costco bull are just veiled attempts at the media to provoke angst against the Indo-Canadian community.

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 06:34 AM

The most ignorant comments in this thread are getting the most pluses as usual. Comparing ethnic discrimination to sexual discrimination? Laugh out loud worthy from someone who sits on the pedestal and casts out judgment while reading "fifty shades of gray" to fulfill their fantasies.

I'm Caucasian but and I don't have a significant problem with this. These Sikh Temples want their youth to live an active and healthy life while retaining some semblance of tradition and ties to their heritage in the process. Ultimately they will fail but that is besides the point.

People group "white" altogether nowadays which is fine but the same thing is going to happen with other categories of human peoples. You think the Irish, Welsh, Scottish and English always got along? If I was Sikh and was called Hindu I would be insulted. Just as if I was an Irish Catholic being called an English Protestant.

My point is people need to put aside these categories and labels that they use to define themselves and restrict others. Race is a socially constructed and stories like this and the Costco bull are just veiled attempts at the media to provoke angst against the Indo-Canadian community.


I'm assuming your snotty and snarky comment was directed at me due to the '50 Shades of Gray' comment.

You're quite the piece of work, aren't you?

First of all, couldn't stick to the topic, had to go for the personal shot.......and I (or anyone else, for that matter) is supposed to give the rest of your post any credibility? Please, don't make me laugh. :rolleyes: So reading a book to see what the fuss is about it is now reading to "to fulfill their fantasies." and therefore makes one forfeit the right to an opinion on any given topic, is it? The stupidity of your comment is truly laugh-inducing in it's moronic ignorance. (and believe me, my reality is light years better than any poorly written excuse for porn could ever be. But thanks for being concerned about my sex life and I'm dreadfully sorry you have nothing better to do in your life than think about mine)

It's a shame that your over-the-top self-righteous indignation knocked reading comprehension right out of your brain pan as sarcasm clearly does not compute in that mult-lobed thing lurking in your skull. And read my post again, as I actually agree with the rest of the sentiments you've expressed in your post. I guess saying that "I could see how the situation could be perceived as reverse discrimination" somehow confers on one a lofty pedestal and the ability to cast judgement. Oh wait........aren't you masquerading as a pot this morning?

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 06:51 AM

English can be such an inprecise .. err imprecise .. err inexact .. mmm confounding language at times .. couple that with 50 shades of comprehension twists and you have CDC at 6:30 in the morning .. time to put the morning "kettle" on I see .. **hugs to all** .. :)

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 06:54 AM

English can be such an inprecise .. err imprecise .. err inexact .. mmm confounding language at times .. couple that with 50 shades of comprehension twists and you have CDC at 6:30 in the morning .. time to put the morning "kettle" on I see .. **hugs to all** .. :)


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Posted 23 August 2012 - 06:56 AM

We've discussed before how sarcasm escapes posts and if you previous post was sarcastic then I missed it and I apologize but I couldn't detect sarcasm. Sarcasm is largely carried through tone, body language, etc. so expecting everyone to pick up on sarcasm through text is difficult.

Truth be told I wrote that one liner as a tongue in cheek and didn't expect you to take it so seriously. I thought about it for anywhere between 3 and 4 seconds so my time thinking about you is clearly less than what you put into thinking how self-righteous and ignorant I am.

Also please do not put words into my mouth. Of course reading any book, watching any piece of television, listening to any show does not preclude one from the right to their own opinion.

I regret making that comment because of the response it has illicited. Your posts are usually filled with hatred, anger, and vitriol but I think, based on your posts, you are more or less a good person even if I disagree with your view point from time to time.

This story seems to play it out on repeat and I think in future if I disagree with you or if miss sarcasm on your part I'll just refrain from commenting because this back and forth diatribe is just always negative.

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 07:07 AM

I was always taught that when in doubt about someones intentions, or words, to always look for the best in them .. not saying I ever learned that lesson to the point I was always able to apply it .. but it is good to try ..

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 07:49 AM

The most ignorant comments in this thread are getting the most pluses as usual.


The comment with the most plusses (as I type this) is from someone that plays in the same league. How the hell is that ignorant?
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Posted 23 August 2012 - 08:11 AM

Sorry - but this isn't the first occasion of a caucasion being discriminated against.

I couldn't stop shaking my head when I watched the news last night, and they kept referring to this as 'reverse discrimination'.... no..... it's just discrimination... there is no such thing as 'reverse'

technically there is reverse discrimination. it's when someone discriminates against their own race, usually because they feel that everyone in their own race (outside of themselves) is lazy/theiving/stupid/etc.




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