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#121 thad

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 06:50 PM

6, 6, 6, 4, 2, 2, 1, 1

28M over 8 years. 3.5M cap hit. and not a 35+ contract so doesn't count against team if he retires.

Love this!! It pays him what he is "worth to us" for the first 3 so it's a good thank you to him for just being burrows and never taking a shift off. It also sets him up to retire a Canuck. I got no problem giving him a long term deal because I know damn well he's not the type to lose focus and go Gomez on us. All while keepin his cap hit at 3.5. Someone like burr is the perfect guy to get the long term front loaded deal. You know he's not gonna screw ya by playin bad and has totally earned the big money up front.

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 09:31 PM

Love this!! It pays him what he is "worth to us" for the first 3 so it's a good thank you to him for just being burrows and never taking a shift off. It also sets him up to retire a Canuck. I got no problem giving him a long term deal because I know damn well he's not the type to lose focus and go Gomez on us. All while keepin his cap hit at 3.5. Someone like burr is the perfect guy to get the long term front loaded deal. You know he's not gonna screw ya by playin bad and has totally earned the big money up front.


Thanks!

I also think that term is the most important factor to burr so if 28/8 years is too much for management, than maybe he would take 24/8 years guaranteeing him a job and place for his family for the forseeable future.

A big thing people forget to take into consideration is how close he is with Bieksa and Kesler, as well as Luongo and shane o'brien

Burr values friendship so if management decides not to offer him something he thinks is fair he could easily wait the year and walk to a team Lu or Shane are playing on.

Where as if management locks him up, when Kes' contract comes up in a few years he may be more willing to sign with the Canucks again if one his two best friends are still playing for the team, instead of bolting to a team that has Parise (friend and team USA linemate) on it.
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Posted 15 August 2012 - 10:28 PM

Eh, I wouldn't sign Burrows too far into the future. He plays a lot of tough minutes and that usually causes degradation in play as the injuries and surgeries pile up.

I'd rather take the $0.5-$1.0M higher cap hit now for half the term than an 8-year, $3.5M hit deal.

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 11:16 PM

Sick, hope he retires a Nuck, guy is clutch
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Posted 15 August 2012 - 11:34 PM

Should be in the same ball park as Wayne Simmonds who just got $4M on AAV.

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 01:27 AM

Reality says the also lockout mucks up that chance, unless parties are stupid.

If Burrows takes say $8 mill this year as part of a 7 year $25.5 deal he risks getting nothing for his front load which makes no sense for him.

Unless the Canucks package a pile of that as a signing bonus, which makes no sense for them if there is a lockout.

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 02:05 AM

I 'd be surprised if he signs for less than 4mil.

I'd sign him for 3 years at 14mil, 4.666mil per year. And that's with him hopefully taking a pay cut.

Otherwise, 4 years at 20mil, 5mil per year.
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Posted 16 August 2012 - 02:47 AM

Sign Burrows for 22.5 million over 6 years with a 7.5 million dollar signing bonus.
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Posted 16 August 2012 - 05:54 AM

The reason everyone loves him is because he produces like a good second liner and plays hard every shift while getting paid like a 4th liner.

If he gets 4M+ a season, then he has to do what he's doing right now just to break even with us...which means we will start to see Burrows haters here too whenever his production seems to be dropping. Well... if he thinks he can take that pressure on himself.. he should ask for the money. After all, he will probably get that or more in the open market anyway..
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Posted 16 August 2012 - 08:09 AM

Without the Sedins he's barely a 20 goal, 40 point scorer.

3.5 million for 3 or 4 years. For all those saying he deserves 4 and 5 million, consider what Kesler and the Sedins are making. The twins signed 6.1 million dollar contracts after producing around the 80 point mark consistently before winning Art Rosses etc.

Kesler signed for 5 million dollars and put up a couple of 70 point seasons and a Selke.

Burrows is far from this category. He hasn't come close to the point-a-game mark, and would be nobody without the Sedins. People say that Burrows helps the Sedins but this is nonesense - just about any grinding, tough checking forward could score 20 to 30 goals with the Sedins. For those who say Burrows is smarter than the average checker and understands the Sedins best - of he course he does when he's had the privelege of playing with them for the last odd 150 games.

It's simple - without the twins Burrows is a 2 million dollar man and 3rd line checker, so he shouldn't be asking for a double pay rise. 3.5M max. If you don't believe me, imagine how poorly he'd play on another team's 1st or 2nd line without the twins, he simply doesn't fit anywhere else.
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Posted 16 August 2012 - 08:15 AM

Everyone loves Burrows cause he punches over his weight. Makes $2M a year and has played like a guy who should make double that, well when playing wit the Sedins. If he makes $4m a year he will get roasted in this town. If Simmonds is making 3.75/yr there is no way Burrows is getting more than that.

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 08:20 AM

Interesting how across the board people are in here about the worth of Burrows.

I honestly don't consider Burrows even a fringe 1st liner. Put him on any other team (even those with less talent than the Canucks) and he'll be stuck on the 2nd line for sure. The only reason he is on our 1st is because of his chemistry with the Sedins. And even with that chemistry, he still scores at a pace between 50-60% of each of their point totals.

Burrows does bring high energy and good durability to the table, but lacks in the size and nastiness department, and could never be considered a "power forward". For that reason (and the fact that a power forward is the ideal kind of top-line player) should drive his price down a bit as well.

I really wish we were able to get Doan for the first line, because that should drop Burrows down to his rightful place on the 2nd line where he already has proven chemistry with Kesler. It would also help put his role into perspective rather than inflated numbers with the Sedins.

Given this day and age of ridiculous contracts in the NHL, I could see Burrows getting offers for high 4's from other teams. I honestly think he is worth no more than 4 million, and would like to see him sign for 3.5ish which I think would be fair for all parties, while providing the Canucks a bit of a discount which he already proved he was open to doing when he signed his 2m contract.
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Posted 16 August 2012 - 08:26 AM

Without the Sedins he's barely a 20 goal, 40 point scorer.

3.5 million for 3 or 4 years. For all those saying he deserves 4 and 5 million, consider what Kesler and the Sedins are making. The twins signed 6.1 million dollar contracts after producing around the 80 point mark consistently before winning Art Rosses etc.

Kesler signed for 5 million dollars and put up a couple of 70 point seasons and a Selke.

Burrows is far from this category. He hasn't come close to the point-a-game mark, and would be nobody without the Sedins. People say that Burrows helps the Sedins but this is nonesense - just about any grinding, tough checking forward could score 20 to 30 goals with the Sedins. For those who say Burrows is smarter than the average checker and understands the Sedins best - of he course he does when he's had the privelege of playing with them for the last odd 150 games.

It's simple - without the twins Burrows is a 2 million dollar man and 3rd line checker, so he shouldn't be asking for a double pay rise. 3.5M max. If you don't believe me, imagine how poorly he'd play on another team's 1st or 2nd line without the twins, he simply doesn't fit anywhere else.

Again I suggest you look at his performance last spring with Team Canada. A standout who outshone most of the so called 'stars'. The fact that Yzerman wanted him should tell you something. The Twins were 2nd liners until Burrows came along.

Someone made the point about his durabuility and that is my major concern with the length of contract. I wouldn't want much more than a 3 maybe 4 year deal as he still has one more year on the old contract. $4.5 mil over 3 years looks OK as long as he can play top 6 for the next 4 years. That might be questionable. Burrows has reduced his physical play over the past 2 seasons. Possibly because of injury or trying to avoid injury going into playoffs. If MG is committed to bigger players it could take the pressure off of Burrows physical play which should extend his career.

No Canuck fan should ever forget what this guy did along with Kesler when they came up from Manitoba. The Canuck roster was a sad bunch of 'no contact' players who were well adapted to losing. Naslund and the Twins were a big part of that. Burrows and Kesler made it pretty clear that was unacceptable.

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 08:33 AM

To those that are saying sign him no matter what I must point out that you sound exactly like Calgary Flames fans. They would rather lose and make dumb GM moves than trade Iggy or Kipper. Signing Burrows to a $5 or more cap hit seriously straps this team and hinders top 6 development, but MG loves to do that with all his crap depth anyway.

I love Burrows but people have to understand he is not this productive if he doesn't play with the Sedins. Rewarding him now with a big contract that does not reflect his true value would be detrimental to the team, however, if we want to do that and sign Edler and Higgins as well and be mediocre I guess I could live with that too as Burrows and Higgins are great guys. Edler is kind of meh.

I really like the idea of front loading a contract right now while we can.

6 year deal:

5 mil
5 mil
4.5 mil
3 mil
2.5 mil
2 mil

$3.6 cap hit and like others have said this guy is heart and soul and also has had less years than most in the NHL so I see his longevity as being high. Although he might not want to play for that little at 37.

Yeah, those Sedins really did the work on Alex' 3 goals in 5 games at the world Championships. WIthout them out there making Burrows look good he would have been a 3rd line grinder for the WC Team Canada, and while he is a good 2 way player, he certainly is not a .66 points per game guy without the likes of the Sedins propping him u.....WHAT????? they werent his linemates in the WC tournament, but that can't be right....he is just a 3rd line guy without the twins.....impossible I say.


You do realize the WC sucks right and is no indication at all of how good a player is?

Patrick Thoreson tied for the lead with 18 points in that tourney, Per-Age Skroeder was right behind him as was Alexander Popov.

Edited by Dogbyte, 16 August 2012 - 12:53 PM.

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 11:39 AM

Without the Sedins he's barely a 20 goal, 40 point scorer.

3.5 million for 3 or 4 years. For all those saying he deserves 4 and 5 million, consider what Kesler and the Sedins are making. The twins signed 6.1 million dollar contracts after producing around the 80 point mark consistently before winning Art Rosses etc.

Kesler signed for 5 million dollars and put up a couple of 70 point seasons and a Selke.

Burrows is far from this category. He hasn't come close to the point-a-game mark, and would be nobody without the Sedins. People say that Burrows helps the Sedins but this is nonesense - just about any grinding, tough checking forward could score 20 to 30 goals with the Sedins. For those who say Burrows is smarter than the average checker and understands the Sedins best - of he course he does when he's had the privelege of playing with them for the last odd 150 games.

It's simple - without the twins Burrows is a 2 million dollar man and 3rd line checker, so he shouldn't be asking for a double pay rise. 3.5M max. If you don't believe me, imagine how poorly he'd play on another team's 1st or 2nd line without the twins, he simply doesn't fit anywhere else.


Were you following the Canucks when Burrows first started with the twins? We tried a lot of guys with the Sedins, the only one that worked was Anson Carter. So no, not everyone can score with the twins. Burrows stuck for a reason. It's not because he's played with them a lot that he has good chemistry with them (btw it's a lot more than 150 games), he's played with them a lot because he has good chemistry with them.

There's no doubt that Burrows benefits from playing with the Sedins. It's called chemistry, it's part of every good hockey player's success. But he's no plug. Look at his play at the World championships, and look at some of the big goals he's scored in his career. The goal that snapped the Canucks' losing streak, the goal that won the St. Louis series, the goal the eliminated Chicago, and the game winner in the Stanley cup Final. All were basically individual efforts. He can get it done without the Sedins. He would probably be a second liner even if he didn't play with them.

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 12:08 PM

Were you following the Canucks when Burrows first started with the twins? We tried a lot of guys with the Sedins, the only one that worked was Anson Carter. So no, not everyone can score with the twins. Burrows stuck for a reason. It's not because he's played with them a lot that he has good chemistry with them (btw it's a lot more than 150 games), he's played with them a lot because he has good chemistry with them.

There's no doubt that Burrows benefits from playing with the Sedins. It's called chemistry, it's part of every good hockey player's success. But he's no plug. Look at his play at the World championships, and look at some of the big goals he's scored in his career. The goal that snapped the Canucks' losing streak, the goal that won the St. Louis series, the goal the eliminated Chicago, and the game winner in the Stanley cup Final. All were basically individual efforts. He can get it done without the Sedins. He would probably be a second liner even if he didn't play with them.


Yeah, a lot of 3rd rate hockey players is what we tried. Try putting a genuine first liner with these guys before they are too old and see what they can do. It ain't rocket science. Hmmm, two first line superstars, let's find them the least talented players we can.

Nothing against Burrows but he looks the best with the Sedins because every other player that had a suspended stint with them was crap.

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 12:22 PM

For all the people hating on Burrows, on the Open market he would be offered 5mil +. He will take a pay cut in the 4 mil range. yes that is a pay cut. This guy is a huge part of our core. I'd rank his value above Kesler just because he is much more consistent. He'd be the perfect captain if he could keep his mouth shut :towel:

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 12:34 PM

I see him signing for 3.75ish max. per season.

I will be interesting to see of you are right. I say nothing under $5 mil, he learned from last time

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 01:00 PM

4 million is too much, 3.5 at MOST

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 01:00 PM

I love the Canucks but....if Burrows goes, my loyalties to the team will as well...


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Posted 16 August 2012 - 01:14 PM

4 million is too much, 3.5 at MOST


I don't think you know what you're talking about

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 02:14 PM

For all the people hating on Burrows, on the Open market he would be offered 5mil +. He will take a pay cut in the 4 mil range. yes that is a pay cut. This guy is a huge part of our core. I'd rank his value above Kesler just because he is much more consistent. He'd be the perfect captain if he could keep his mouth shut :towel:


Yeah and then we'll see another Vile Leino situation. Fact is the only reason Burrows is succeeding above expectations is because he has the privilege to play with the sedins. He's a border line 2nd line player on any other team and is ultimately a good 3rd liner. He ain't producing like he is without the Sedins and I'd bet you my life savings on that!

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 02:52 PM

You were right, my bad! -_-

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 02:54 PM

Probably will be 4-5 per season for min 4 years.
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Posted 16 August 2012 - 03:31 PM

For all the people hating on Burrows, on the Open market he would be offered 5mil +. He will take a pay cut in the 4 mil range. yes that is a pay cut. This guy is a huge part of our core. I'd rank his value above Kesler just because he is much more consistent. He'd be the perfect captain if he could keep his mouth shut :towel:


Over 5 MILLION?!?!
Value above Kesler?!?!

Holy what a Canucks......

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 06:17 PM

Yeah, a lot of 3rd rate hockey players is what we tried. Try putting a genuine first liner with these guys before they are too old and see what they can do. It ain't rocket science. Hmmm, two first line superstars, let's find them the least talented players we can.

Nothing against Burrows but he looks the best with the Sedins because every other player that had a suspended stint with them was crap.


True, but I was responding to a post that said any grinding checker could play well with them, which is clearly not the case. No question that if we had a legit star to play with them, that line would destroy the league. But I was just disagreeing with the point that ANYONE can do well with the Sedins.

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 11:08 PM

Bernier and Pyatt certainly didn't do well with the Sedins ...

I don't think Burrows gets enough credit on here. He's a great hockey player even without the Sedins and to say things like he's only producing because he plays w/ the Sedins isn't fair. The Sedins also produced their best seasons playing with Burrows, so would it be fair to say that the Sedins aren't Art Ross winners without Burrows ? It works both ways if you want to have that kind of mindset.

For the record, Burrows is 83rd in forward scoring (points per game) over the last 3 seasons. There are 90 "top-line" forwards in the league ... Do the math ...

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 11:19 PM

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Posted 17 August 2012 - 04:40 AM

This under valuing Burrows bothers me. He's at least a five million a year player. If he received top line power play minutes he'd likely have at least one 40 goal year.

And it's a huge myth that he took a big discount last time. His best season was 12 goals and 31 points. Two million was close to his value. The term was long but the annual pay was fair.

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Posted 17 August 2012 - 05:49 AM

Yeah, a lot of 3rd rate hockey players is what we tried. Try putting a genuine first liner with these guys before they are too old and see what they can do. It ain't rocket science. Hmmm, two first line superstars, let's find them the least talented players we can.

Nothing against Burrows but he looks the best with the Sedins because every other player that had a suspended stint with them was crap.


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