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Posted 07 September 2012 - 12:23 PM

Wonder what the likelyhood of a sale going through in a week is. This doesn't seem like a sure thing yet.
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 12:24 PM

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 12:24 PM

We know this already, and this is also to be expected.

Doan promised he would sign somewhere by the 15th. So of course he agrees to a contract with the Coyotes so when the sale happens, he just has to sign the dotted line. However, the sale will likely not be completed by the 15th.

Unless some of these rumours are true and Jamison has gotten approved by the city of Glendale for the 300 million dollar lease.
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 12:25 PM

THIS is where the "riffraff" Weiser clap belongs .. how fitting ..



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Posted 07 September 2012 - 12:27 PM

So we basically have no new info other than that he/the team have come to agreement on contract terms IF they can finalize the sale by the 15th? (Which at this point, looks highly unlikely).

:lol: at all the reactionaries flipping out and assuming he's no longer available.


This is what I keep trying to explain to people, but it's like banging my head against the wall.

Agreeing to sign if the sale goes through apparently means that he has signed a deal. Even though it's still pretty much the same situation that it's been all summer. I've been waiting to see if the sale goes through cause I knew that would mean bye bye Doan, I don't know what other people have been waiting for.
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 12:27 PM

Yea, we haven't improved at all so far - 1st priority is getting a solid 2nd line and it hasn't been fixed. If it stays this way, we aren't winning anything, but now that Doan is outta the way, its time to fix the 2nd line problem by trading Lu I guess.
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 12:27 PM

I assume the league may have their hands full with the CBA negotiations at the moment. They may not be able to approve the sale before then. Politicking...tick...tick....Doan is saying all the right things, but this could easily backfire and not get resolved...thus allowing for him to change addresses. I feel a 1 year contract might be on the horizon, and not with the yotes.
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 12:28 PM

I assume the league may have their hands full with the CBA negotiations at the moment. They may not be able to approve the sale before then. Politicking...tick...tick....Doan is saying all the right things, but this could easily backfire and not get resolved...thus allowing for him to change addresses. I feel a 1 year contract might be on the horizon, and not with the yotes.
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 12:30 PM


Shane Doan: Worth more than $3 million a year......?

Read more: http://www.theprovin...l#ixzz25oX0mh1N



We are still waiting on Shane Doan, are we not? Some team, at some point, will fork over millions of dollars for a 35-year-old Doan. He will be 36, plus a few tenths of a year, when the NHL season finally does get under-way.

Doan's entire career can be summed up in a word: durability. Not since he turned 22 has Doan played fewer than 72 games in a regular season, which has helped him put up 11 20-plus-goal seasons. That's eighth among active players.

Doan has been a slight plus-possession player his entire career, faring a little bit better at controlling the shot clock than his teammates. He is not elite, was never elite, and will never be elite. Doan is a durable leader who plugs away at the opposition, being above average for a very, very long time.

A noble player, that's Doan, and some team will fork over millions. That team may be the Vancouver Canucks. It could be the Buffalo Sabres, a team that reportedly offered Doan a four-year contract worth $30 million, well more than he's worth.

When it comes to free agents, too many general managers have paid players following a logic of what the player's production looked like, as opposed to, "What will he do for me over the course of this contract?"

In the last 20 years, there have been 10 players who have since ended their careers but had strong seasons as 33-to-35-year-olds who were also known for their durability. The list includes players like Pat Verbeek, Adam Oates and Mark Recchi.

Let's assume the Canucks have offered Doan a two-year deal. My list of comparables has players losing about 45 per cent of their goal production in the two years after their 35-year-old season.

Comparable players are good to use since it gives us a good idea of what we can expect out of a player like Doan as we move ahead in his career.

Players scored an average of 22.2 goals in their 33-35 years and 12.1 in their 36-37 years, a 45 per cent drop. There's a less drastic, yet still notable, 34 per cent decline in total games played, from 78.8 to 61.0.

We don't have puck possession numbers for players who played before 2008 so it's not enough for a full sample, but when it comes to Doan, a major issue is that players known for being durable, solid goal scorers in their early 30's do not necessarily perform either at the same rate. It is a gamble.

If Doan only plays 60 or 65 games, he is nowhere near as useful as if he's playing 82. Sixty-one, as players his calibre have been historically pegged at, is simply not enough to be effective.

That means that a team paying him millions is probably going to wind up overpaying for Doan's intangible assets, notably grit and leadership, that have made him a hot commodity this sum-mer.

Intangibles are important, but it's impossible to calculate just how much since an intangible is almost by definition something that doesn't exist. We know for certain that Doan does not possess a secret talent to winning a Stanley Cup, since every single team in history has won the Stanley Cup without him on their roster.

But Doan would be an excellent third-line addition. He pushes play forward and is slightly above average at both ends of the ice. At the right price, he fills a gap in the Canucks' lineup.

Recent players who have met the projected standards are players like Cory Stillman, Mike Modano and Robert Lang, and adjusted for the 2013 salary cap, that equals to a little over $3.5 million.

With an expected salary cap rollback, his true value probably falls somewhere below $3 million.

Evidently, Darcy Regier in Buffalo believes that Shane Doan's intangibles are worth $4.5 million. They aren't



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Posted 07 September 2012 - 12:31 PM

I don't believe Doan had any intention of signing anywhere other than Phoenix, he was just using the Canucks and a few other teams as leverage to get what he wanted. He can go f**k himself.
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 12:31 PM

I assume the league may have their hands full with the CBA negotiations at the moment. They may not be able to approve the sale before then. Politicking...tick...tick....Doan is saying all the right things, but this could easily backfire and not get resolved...thus allowing for him to change addresses. I feel a 1 year contract might be on the horizon, and not with the yotes.
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The thing is, even if the NHL approves the sale, Jamison himself has said he won't buy the team until the he has a lease agreement.

That's the last stumbling block right now, and it's one that could take the sale well past the 15th.

I'm sure Jamison wants Doan, but when we're talking about negotiating millions of dollars here, he's not gonna rush things in order to keep Doan in Phoenix.

Edited by D-Bo7, 07 September 2012 - 12:32 PM.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 12:33 PM

I doubt they would be announcing a contract was agreed to if the sale was not imminent. I think the Doan to Vancouver drama is unofficially over and will be officially over very soon.

Thank goodness.

Now you can all go Schultz on Doan! "We love you, come here, ties to the city, blah, blah blah. You signed elsewhere? You suck, I didn't want him here anyway!"
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 12:36 PM

I doubt they would be announcing a contract was agreed to if the sale was not imminent. I think the Doan to Vancouver drama is unofficially over and will be officially over very soon.

Thank goodness.

Now you can all go Schultz on Doan! "We love you, come here, ties to the city, blah, blah blah. You signed elsewhere? You suck, I didn't want him here anyway!"


Phoenix didn't announce the signing, Doan did on a radio show.

IMO he's just saying to the fans that he wants to stay there, he has agreed to a contract, but ultimately it's out of his hands. If the sale goes through before the 15th he'll sign, if not he's gone.

It's been this way all summer, and Jamison has failed time and time again to close the deal.

Edited by D-Bo7, 07 September 2012 - 12:59 PM.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 01:20 PM

Team 1040 reports Doan is signed pending the sale for 4 years 21.5 million. Yeah you can keep him. Hopefully that wasn't our thing in the works for MG
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 01:24 PM

Phoenix didn't announce the signing, Doan did on a radio show.

IMO he's just saying to the fans that he wants to stay there, he has agreed to a contract, but ultimately it's out of his hands. If the sale goes through before the 15th he'll sign, if not he's gone.

It's been this way all summer, and Jamison has failed time and time again to close the deal.

That's a good read once you hear it. It literally tells everyone he has done all he can to sign there, including signing pending sale. He has remained true, now the ball is in there court. In hindsight if he doesn't sign in Phoenix this could be viewed as a mini press conference that no one attended.

Edited by Dogbyte, 07 September 2012 - 01:39 PM.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 01:30 PM

From @Team1130Sports:

Terry Bross, agent for Shane Doan tells News1130 Canucks still in the mix. Bross says Phoenix ownership issues still not settled. #nhl #doan

Terry Bross agent for Shane Doan tells News1130 Canucks "very strong possibility if things don't work out in Phoenix." Canucks 1 of 3 in mix


Nothings over until it's over.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 01:30 PM

Biased Prediction:

We're going to see a last minute signing to the Vancouver Canucks at the 11th hour on September 14th. Doan will give Jamison as much time as he possibly can.

4 years@20 mil

Edited by Neufy161, 07 September 2012 - 01:36 PM.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 01:34 PM

From @Team1130Sports:


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Terry Bross, agent for Shane Doan tells News1130 Canucks still in the mix. Bross says Phoenix ownership issues still not settled.#nhl #doan

Terry Bross agent for Shane Doan tells News1130 Canucks "very strong possibility if things don't work out in Phoenix." Canucks 1 of 3 in mix


Nothings over until it's over.


Who are the other two teams? NYR and PHI?
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 01:52 PM

LOL. 4 years at 21.5m. He's loyal, i'll give him that much but Coyotes got worse, not better this offseason. Not to mention Smith trumps Doan as the star player in that line up anyway. Well I'm happy this saga is over, *unfollow*.
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 01:53 PM

Watch this horrible franchise make the worst move in hockey history and rush a 170 million dollar purchase of a hockey team in order to sign one player. :frantic:
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 02:33 PM

LOL. 4 years at 21.5m. He's loyal, i'll give him that much but Coyotes got worse, not better this offseason. Not to mention Smith trumps Doan as the star player in that line up anyway. Well I'm happy this saga is over, *unfollow*.


Reading is your friend people! He has agreed to a conditional contract based on whether or not the team is sold by the 15th.

The team is no closer to being sold just because he agreed on a contract. All he's doing is making it so that if the sale does go through at the last minute, the paper work is already done and ready to sign.

Until you read that Jamison has successfully purchased the Phoenix Coyotes, this thing is not over.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 04:01 PM

Is it just me or do we only hear Doan expressing interest in PHX, and not the other way around. You would think that any current or potential ownership group would put out any kind of media tidbit that would assure their paying customers and season ticket holders. It appears to me that Doan wants to stay in PHX more than PHX wants to hang on to one of their faces of the franchise (if not the only face of the franchise). I'll go on the record (not that anyone should care what I say or thnk) that perhaps this could be a fresh fiscal start of sort for the new ownership group in PHX-trimming down operating costs right off the bat. If they market Smithy as their new face and let Doan go, then its like a mini rebuild of sort but with new owners (who we know are going to be penny pinchers for the next few years if all accounts are correct about the state of Jamiesons cash flow and net worth). DOan is simply (IMO) showing the fans right up until the very last hour that he is loyal, cares to stay in PHX, but that after all is said and done, he tried but ownership simply could not be resolved in time for him to make a personal and business decision for the rest of his family.
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 04:04 PM

Reports Shane Doan has signed four-year $21.5 million extension with Coyotes



The Canucks were hoping a gold-medal winning veteran with a cap hit of about $5 million would be reporting to training camp this month.
And it's true, one is planning to. But he's the wrong one.
Roberto Luongo maybe in Vancouver next week and prepared to report to camp, if camp ever happens. So he's in. For now. But Shane Doan appears to be out, according to reports which have him agreeing to a four-year, $21.5 million extension with the Phoenix Coyotes, pending the completed sale of the club to Greg Jamison.
The Canucks had tabled a similar offer, though the money wasn't quite as much, and still believe they have the best chance to be Doan's Plan B. But that Plan B is disappearing faster than those Polar bears on Lost.
Doan represented an opportunity to significantly and instantly improve the Canucks, which explains why they were pursuing him with a courtship which included a dinner at the city's Italian Kitchen.
Doan kept saying it wasn't about the money, and it hasn't been as the Phoenix deal is significantly less than the $30-million contract he was offered.
But, really, no team but Phoenix has been close to signing him. Doan has spent all summer extending his so-called deadlines because he never intended to leave Phoenix. Doan told an Arizona radio station he's known since the mid-June that Jamison's ownership bid had a very good chance of working out.
In a lengthy interview, Doan told XTRA 910 Radio Jamison has the financing, which is sitting in escrow, and he's only waiting for the lease agreement with Glendale to get the approval stamp.
If you're into fantasies, Doan did leave the door open a sliver, saying if there's an issue with the lease agreement he could still sign with another team. Either way, he will have a contract by midnight on Sept. 15.

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http://www.theprovin...8175/story.html

Edited by WHL rocks, 07 September 2012 - 04:05 PM.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 04:10 PM

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Nothings over until it's over.

NYR and Philly must be the other two teams.
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 04:11 PM

Watch this horrible franchise make the worst move in hockey history and rush a 170 million dollar purchase of a hockey team in order to sign one player. :frantic:


lmao! but according to ESPN, they are top 10 for "best bang for your buck" :bigblush:

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 04:15 PM

Reports Shane Doan has signed four-year $21.5 million extension with Coyotes



The Canucks were hoping a gold-medal winning veteran with a cap hit of about $5 million would be reporting to training camp this month.
And it's true, one is planning to. But he's the wrong one.
Roberto Luongo maybe in Vancouver next week and prepared to report to camp, if camp ever happens. So he's in. For now. But Shane Doan appears to be out, according to reports which have him agreeing to a four-year, $21.5 million extension with the Phoenix Coyotes, pending the completed sale of the club to Greg Jamison.
The Canucks had tabled a similar offer, though the money wasn't quite as much, and still believe they have the best chance to be Doan's Plan B. But that Plan B is disappearing faster than those Polar bears on Lost.
Doan represented an opportunity to significantly and instantly improve the Canucks, which explains why they were pursuing him with a courtship which included a dinner at the city's Italian Kitchen.
Doan kept saying it wasn't about the money, and it hasn't been as the Phoenix deal is significantly less than the $30-million contract he was offered.
But, really, no team but Phoenix has been close to signing him. Doan has spent all summer extending his so-called deadlines because he never intended to leave Phoenix. Doan told an Arizona radio station he's known since the mid-June that Jamison's ownership bid had a very good chance of working out.
In a lengthy interview, Doan told XTRA 910 Radio Jamison has the financing, which is sitting in escrow, and he's only waiting for the lease agreement with Glendale to get the approval stamp.
If you're into fantasies, Doan did leave the door open a sliver, saying if there's an issue with the lease agreement he could still sign with another team. Either way, he will have a contract by midnight on Sept. 15.

Edit: Link attached
http://www.theprovin...8175/story.html


Its articles like this that are responsible for the drastic misunderstanding/confusion of news. This guys a moron with his flashy headlines.

Jamison doesn't have approval by the city for the $300 million leasing agreement on the arena... The City is hesitant because in order to supply the lease, they would need to incorporate a sales tax upon the people of Glendale.

There was a petition that was submitted by the people of Glendale to stop the sales tax increase, but it was rejected by the city. However, because of a ruling by a court of appeals and a supreme court; the sales tax increase will be voted on by the public, and will likely be shot down. Thereby making it so that the city doesn't have the funds to pay Jamison to operate the arena; Meaning Doan will not sign with Phoenix.

Clearly, since he said "I will sign with a team by the 15th" He is making sure a deal is agreed upon with Phoenix providing Jamison's sale; so they aren't negotiating on terms at 10:00pm on the 14th.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 04:20 PM

The City council of PHX hasn't made a decision on the tax issue yet.

So, the completed sale of the team is still pending.

The contract signing therefore is still pending.

The deadline in order for Doan to remain in PHX is Sept 15th, as per Doan.

So, nothing's really changed, and there's still a chance that Doan may find himself in a Canucks uniform. The rest is speculation.
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 04:34 PM

Pierre LeBrun just said on That's Hockey that the deal between the city and Greg Jamison will not get done next week like Shane Doan was hoping for. So he has to decide to either push his Deadline past the 15 or sign with another team.
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 04:34 PM

The City council of PHX hasn't made a decision on the tax issue yet.

So, the completed sale of the team is still pending.

The contract signing therefore is still pending.

The deadline in order for Doan to remain in PHX is Sept 15th, as per Doan.

So, nothing's really changed, and there's still a chance that Doan may find himself in a Canucks uniform. The rest is speculation.


The decision may be out of City Councils hands, because they can't agree to a deal if they haven't secured the financing for it yet.

That money was to come from the sales tax initiative, which is now not likely going to be approved by voters.
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 04:37 PM

Pierre LeBrun just said on That's Hockey that the deal between the city and Greg Jamison will not get done next week like Shane Doan was hoping for. So he has to decide to either push his Deadline past the 15 or sign with another team.


That's what I've been saying this whole time.

The deal can't get done because of the court ruling to put the sales tax initiative on a November ballot. So unless Jamison wants to run the arena for free, the city won't be able to agree upon a deal until it knows the results of the November ballot.

Now we'll just have to wait and see if Doan was just bluffing to put pressure on Phoenix, or he does actually want to make sure he signs a deal under the old CBA.

Edited by D-Bo7, 07 September 2012 - 04:38 PM.

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