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Posted 19 August 2012 - 12:17 PM

If Shane Doan signs with the Canucks, it may impact Burrows:

“As you know, we have had talks with both Shane personally and with Shane’s representative (Terry Bross),” Gilman said. “We have tendered an offer. At this point, Shane is looking at his alternatives and we are waiting for him to decide what he wants to do.”


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Posted 19 August 2012 - 12:20 PM

What would Doan and Burrows salaries have to be in order to keep both? Anyone calculate that yet? (Keeping the cap ceiling as is for argument sake)

Edit - and Edler's pay raise as well.

Edited by Sharpshooter, 19 August 2012 - 12:21 PM.

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Posted 19 August 2012 - 12:27 PM

FYI every generation IS smarter than the last, something history shows us over and over again with statistical evidence. Nice generalizations ya old generation dumb @$$e$

Speaking of "generalizations".... :rolleyes:

I find it mildly insulting to be told that I'm not as smart as a generation that can't figure out the difference between "there", "their" and "they're".....

If a forum can't take a 60 page thread, something is wrong.

It isn't just this thread, though. Temp has been closing other threads as well, when they are getting too big. (especially when the get to the point where little or nothing of substance is being contributed to the discussion anymore)

The idea is to limit the lag on the board, which is in the best interests of all of us.

Edited by RUPERTKBD, 19 August 2012 - 12:28 PM.

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Posted 19 August 2012 - 01:31 PM

If a forum can't take a 60 page thread, something is wrong.

I do understand the tech actually, and you are wrong about the programming. it would be foolish to query everything you see on the screen every time you go to it, summing up all the post counts, and the lastest users, etc etc. What is happening is that after each child update, a set of statistics (aka the cache) is updated and that is what is served. And that is probably cached in memory on the database server if it is done right (which it probably is) - that is out of the box ms sql server, no tweaking required (frequent requests are cached and re-indexed all the time). To suggest that each user view generates all that info each time is crazy! Surely you don't mean that.... Now the user may be a tiny bit out of date (seconds!), but who cares?

Anyways, the web page can easily take it, so why the extra post? But who really cares? It just makes all that info that was discussed out of sight out of mind. and it's august, so chill.. You are right about the possibility of having huge overhead if the site was made by an idiot though.... ;) lol!


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Posted 19 August 2012 - 01:51 PM

What would Doan and Burrows salaries have to be in order to keep both? Anyone calculate that yet? (Keeping the cap ceiling as is for argument sake)

Edit - and Edler's pay raise as well.


It really depends on who our 3rd line center is this year/next year and if our lower tier guys and scratches are 900k players or 600k players, 'cause these small things will make the difference.

Remember Higgins, Lapierre and Tanev need to be re-signed, as well, and their raises will probably total at least a million alone.

If we sign Doan for 6, Edler for 5.75 and Burrows for 4, we'll be REALLY tight against it, but it could work.


(all this assuming it's a 70.2 cap limit next year, which is unlikely 'cause it changes every year)

Edited by Canuck919191, 19 August 2012 - 01:54 PM.

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Posted 19 August 2012 - 01:54 PM

What would Doan and Burrows salaries have to be in order to keep both? Anyone calculate that yet? (Keeping the cap ceiling as is for argument sake)

Edit - and Edler's pay raise as well.

If Ballard isn't traded next year, then we could trade him and Booth for picks and prospects to free up cap space, and let Higgins and Malhotra walk so we can give rookies roster spots. If that happens we should have plenty of room.
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Posted 19 August 2012 - 03:05 PM

If Ballard isn't traded next year, then we could trade him and Booth for picks and prospects to free up cap space, and let Higgins and Malhotra walk so we can give rookies roster spots. If that happens we should have plenty of room.


How do you even put your shoes on in the morning..

Let higgins walk... SIGH
Trade booth for a pick... SIGH

Im honestly not sure where to begin.. The people that will walk will be mason raymond and malhotra, that gives us nearly 5 million to work with, which is enough by itself to give burrows and edler raises of 3m for burrows and 2m for edler putting them at 5m and 5.25m respectively.

Ballard is a good defenseman, perhaps he makes a little more than he should but that's what happens when you play on a crapty Florida team and get traded to a good team.

Booth is statistically (in all years, not just last) our #4 forward behind sedins and kesler. He has huge potential and after getting situated in vancouver and recovering from major surgery in his knee he will most assuredly produce a lot of points this year. Especially if he has a healthy kesler to play with.
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Posted 19 August 2012 - 04:42 PM

How do you even put your shoes on in the morning..

Let higgins walk... SIGH
Trade booth for a pick... SIGH

Im honestly not sure where to begin.. The people that will walk will be mason raymond and malhotra, that gives us nearly 5 million to work with, which is enough by itself to give burrows and edler raises of 3m for burrows and 2m for edler putting them at 5m and 5.25m respectively.

Ballard is a good defenseman, perhaps he makes a little more than he should but that's what happens when you play on a crapty Florida team and get traded to a good team.

Booth is statistically (in all years, not just last) our #4 forward behind sedins and kesler. He has huge potential and after getting situated in vancouver and recovering from major surgery in his knee he will most assuredly produce a lot of points this year. Especially if he has a healthy kesler to play with.


Booth is arguably the sixth best forward statistically, maybe the seventh with the emergence of Hansen? You put him ahead of Burrows? No chance. And Higgins has arguably better numbers as well. Booth had one good season of 31 goals and 60 points. After that his career high is 40! He also has always put up more goals than assists so he is far from a playmaker. I think if you expect big point totals from Booth you will be disappointed.

I think Booth needs to get off to a good start or he will join Ballard and Raymond as everyone's trade bait.
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Posted 19 August 2012 - 05:33 PM

Booth is arguably the sixth best forward statistically, maybe the seventh with the emergence of Hansen? You put him ahead of Burrows? No chance. And Higgins has arguably better numbers as well. Booth had one good season of 31 goals and 60 points. After that his career high is 40! He also has always put up more goals than assists so he is far from a playmaker. I think if you expect big point totals from Booth you will be disappointed.

I think Booth needs to get off to a good start or he will join Ballard and Raymond as everyone's trade bait.


Thankfully "everyone" has nothing to do with the team. You also forget to mention the season ending concussions that booth suffered from.
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Posted 19 August 2012 - 07:15 PM

what about what Mayray has gone through? Mayray isn't going anywhere, people gotta realize that, they see Grabner like potential in him
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Posted 19 August 2012 - 07:37 PM

what about what Mayray has gone through? Mayray isn't going anywhere, people gotta realize that, they see Grabner like potential in him


Mayray was crap before he got his back broken, booth was excellent before his concussion. That is the main and most important difference between them.
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Posted 19 August 2012 - 08:18 PM

The longer this goes on, the less and less I think he'll end up a Canuck
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Posted 20 August 2012 - 07:18 AM

Thankfully "everyone" has nothing to do with the team. You also forget to mention the season ending concussions that booth suffered from.


Booth's had two full seasons since his concussion plagued season. If it is still causing him problems then it likely always will.
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Posted 20 August 2012 - 07:29 AM

I hope this is some kind of joke.

-If by "smartness," you mean people have more knowledge, then you are wrong. I don't know even know why anyone would think this.

-If by "smartness," you mean the capacity to retain knowledge, then you are also wrong. Human brain is a lot similar to a muscle, the more you work it, the more efficient it becomes (something the older generations didn't know).

-If by "smartness," you mean better able to analyze, reason etc., then you are also wrong. Same reason as above.


-If by "smartness," you mean better able to survive in the natural environment without depending on others, then you are right. One of the prices we pay for specialization.

If you think you are not more intelligent than someone from the middle ages in all those aspects above except the last one, then you are right.

Those points aren't something you get for granted. You don't get more capacity to retain knowledge than your dad just because....what...you're the "new generation"? You said it yourself in your post: Human brain is a lot similar to a muscle. If you don't use it often, you become more stupid. What makes you think the new generation will be working their brains harder?

Your next point is questionable for the same reason. I don't know how old you are, but if you consider yourself to be one of those in that "TNG group", then you might qualify to be the evidence to show that group isn't any better in analyzing or reasoning anything.
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Posted 20 August 2012 - 07:45 AM

Mayray was crap before he got his back broken, booth was excellent before his concussion. That is the main and most important difference between them.

Are you implying he's become a better player ever since he broke his back?

what about what Mayray has gone through? Mayray isn't going anywhere, people gotta realize that, they see Grabner like potential in him

That kid turns 27 this year. Oh wait..

What is Raymond's undying source of potential and when will he be able to ever reach that? His point production has been heading south (pro-rated) ever since 09-10 season as well.
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Posted 20 August 2012 - 08:35 AM

Are you implying he's become a better player ever since he broke his back?
That kid turns 27 this year. Oh wait..

What is Raymond's undying source of potential and when will he be able to ever reach that? His point production has been heading south (pro-rated) ever since 09-10 season as well.


No I was implying that mayray isnt going to get any better because he was already terrible before his injury and his injury has not much to do with him still being terrible
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Posted 20 August 2012 - 09:23 AM

No I was implying that mayray isnt going to get any better because he was already terrible before his injury and his injury has not much to do with him still being terrible

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 09:49 AM

Schools in Vancouver start in about 3 weeks, if Doan is going to move elsewhere, I'd think it has to be within this week to get his kids settled for school.
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Posted 20 August 2012 - 10:16 AM

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 10:28 AM

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 10:31 AM

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 01:12 PM

Speaking of "generalizations".... :rolleyes:

I find it mildly insulting to be told that I'm not as smart as a generation that can't figure out the difference between "there", "their" and "they're".....


Furthermore, in the last decade they've recorded the first overall drops in literacy and academic performances in developed countries (particularly North America) in over 150 years.

So statistically, this is actually the first time one generation has been dumber than the last.
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Posted 20 August 2012 - 01:53 PM

Those points aren't something you get for granted. You don't get more capacity to retain knowledge than your dad just because....what...you're the "new generation"? You said it yourself in your post: Human brain is a lot similar to a muscle. If you don't use it often, you become more stupid. What makes you think the new generation will be working their brains harder?

Your next point is questionable for the same reason. I don't know how old you are, but if you consider yourself to be one of those in that "TNG group", then you might qualify to be the evidence to show that group isn't any better in analyzing or reasoning anything.


You're assuming I'm looking at one generation for the changes. While the differences are there, they are small and not as noticeable, mainly because the age difference. A kid who is 16 may be a lot smarter than his dad was at that age, but not when he's 16, and his dad is 40.

You have to look at multiple generations to see a difference (the middle ages example). Every generation has been becoming smarter because they have access to the knowledge and problem solving techniques of the previous generation (through language). The new generation (generally not every individual) brains are more efficient because they have that access. I doubt we have peaked as a species conveniently at your and my generation (I'm 26 BTW).

The only good argument against that seems to be that art (paintings, music etc.) isn't what it used to be (mozart etc.), but art is subjective anyways, and there's no way to objectively judge it IMO.
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Some fans overrate their players, and then there is this guy.

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 02:08 PM

You're assuming I'm looking at one generation for the changes. While the differences are there, they are small and not as noticeable, mainly because the age difference. A kid who is 16 may be a lot smarter than his dad was at that age, but not when he's 16, and his dad is 40.

You have to look at multiple generations to see a difference (the middle ages example). Every generation has been becoming smarter because they have access to the knowledge and problem solving techniques of the previous generation (through language). The new generation (generally not every individual) brains are more efficient because they have that access. I doubt we have peaked as a species conveniently at your and my generation (I'm 26 BTW).

The only good argument against that seems to be that art (paintings, music etc.) isn't what it used to be (mozart etc.), but art is subjective anyways, and there's no way to objectively judge it IMO.


Honestly.... how did this conversation come up in a Doan thread?
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Posted 20 August 2012 - 02:12 PM

Honestly.... how did this conversation come up in a Doan thread?


I don't know, I think someone insulted someone younger than them, and said something about the whole generation, and that's how it got started. I like this discussion and it should be topic on it's own.
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Posted 20 August 2012 - 02:17 PM

Honestly.... how did this conversation come up in a Doan thread?


I nominate it for 'Best Tangential Convo In An Unrelated Thread' for 2012 thus far.

Winner will be announced in December.
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Posted 20 August 2012 - 02:26 PM

I nominate it for 'Best Tangential Convo In An Unrelated Thread' for 2012 thus far.

Winner will be announced in December.


You know December is supposed to be the 10th month and not the 12th month, right? ;) 

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 03:27 PM

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 03:43 PM

Those points aren't something you get for granted. You don't get more capacity to retain knowledge than your dad just because....what...you're the "new generation"? You said it yourself in your post: Human brain is a lot similar to a muscle. If you don't use it often, you become more stupid. What makes you think the new generation will be working their brains harder?

Your next point is questionable for the same reason. I don't know how old you are, but if you consider yourself to be one of those in that "TNG group", then you might qualify to be the evidence to show that group isn't any better in analyzing or reasoning anything.


Sorry couldn't find "unknowns" post re: people better at survival without depending on others point.....:

Really?

Most people couldn't get around the block without google map let alone remembering where an edible plant might grow upon discovery or the migration route of an animal food source....never mind our wasteful tendencies....

Dead in days.....
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Posted 20 August 2012 - 03:51 PM

You know December is supposed to be the 10th month and not the 12th month, right? ;)


RUPERT, are you trying to get nominated as well? :P
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