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#211 Martin Frk

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 08:14 AM

Yes he should make up his mind and choose a team, but what are the odds he is actually going to leave Phoenix, I highly doubt he is going to move on from their organization
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Posted 22 August 2012 - 08:20 AM

Gillman had already stated a while ago on local radio that the rumoured 4/30 offer would be a "deal breaker" for the Canucks.
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Posted 22 August 2012 - 08:29 AM

According to Hockey insider the offer is 4/25
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Posted 22 August 2012 - 08:46 AM

MG will make sure his cap hit isn't over 6 million. Maybe pay him loads of bonuses, but it won't appear where it matters most. These guys know what they're doing.


Didn't we have this discussion before?
Bonuses count toward the cap of course!
Or else we could sign suter for 1.5 mil cap hit with 13 mil bonuses for the first 10 years.
That would be cap circumvention.

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 08:49 AM

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Haha Shane Doan should just troll the entire league. Don't sign anywhere, then on October 1 he announces he's retiring.
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Posted 22 August 2012 - 09:13 AM

Haha Shane Doan should just troll the entire league. Don't sign anywhere, then on October 1 he announces he's retiring.

hahaha... :frantic:
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Posted 22 August 2012 - 09:30 AM

I would think if we were to sign Doan, the contract would be front loaded. So something like

Year 1: $7.5 million
Year 2: $6 million
Year 3: $5.3 million
Year 4: $4.2 million

Question:

If a contract is front-loaded like that, and Doan retires after the 3rd year, what would be the cap-hit for the fourth year? 5.75 or 4.2?
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Posted 22 August 2012 - 09:44 AM

Question:

If a contract is front-loaded like that, and Doan retires after the 3rd year, what would be the cap-hit for the fourth year? 5.75 or 4.2?


5.75

Pretty sure cap hit always stays the same.

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 10:00 AM

I would think if we were to sign Doan, the contract would be front loaded. So something like

Year 1: $7.5 million
Year 2: $6 million
Year 3: $5.3 million
Year 4: $4.2 million


Front loading doesn't change the cap hit. Still a 5.75 mill cap hit that we have to pay if he retires before his contract ends.

Completely useless to front load a contract like that. If he retires in 3 years have fun with the 4.2 cap hit even if u buy him out still alot

Also doubt its more than 6.5


it'll be a 5.75 cap hit. Even worse.

Question:

If a contract is front-loaded like that, and Doan retires after the 3rd year, what would be the cap-hit for the fourth year? 5.75 or 4.2?


5.75. That's the risk of an multi year contract for a player over 35 and that's why front loading contracts for those players is useless. It doesn't change the cap hit and, if anything, might motivate them to retire earlier b/c they would have most of the money from the deal after one or two years.
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Posted 22 August 2012 - 10:09 AM

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 10:13 AM

I hope we're not offering Mats Sundoan money...
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Posted 22 August 2012 - 01:03 PM

Coyotes coach Dave Tippett remains optimistic that team will re-sign Shane Doan:

TORONTO -- Despite summer-long speculation about where unrestricted free agent Shane Doan will continue his career, Phoenix coach Dave Tippett thinks the Coyotes, the only NHL team Doan has ever played for, still have as good a shot as any at re-signing him.


Doan returned to the headlines this week when further reports surfaced of a standing four-year, $30 million contract offer he has from the Buffalo Sabres. Tippett, though, told NHL.com he has been in constant communication all summer with Doan in an attempt to convince him to stay.


"I'm certainly not involved in any contract negotiations, but there are lots of conversations back and forth, making sure he knows that we're going to try to do everything we can," said Tippett, who is in Toronto attending the NHL's Standard of Rule Enforcement Meeting. "We certainly don't want him going anywhere, and I'm probably no different than the other teams trying to come to their place, I'm just trying to convince him to stay."


In order to re-sign with the Coyotes, Doan wants the franchise's ownership situation to be resolved or at least close to a resolution. Although Greg Jamison is the prospective buyer of the club, there hasn't been a resolution yet due to financial and legal hurdles that he is still attempting to clear.


However, the fact that Doan remains unsigned this late into the summer is a good indication to Tippett that the Coyotes' recruitment is working.


Tippett, in fact, would not discuss any fallback plans the team has if Doan were to sign with another club.


"I deal with what is reality for us, and until that happens we won't go down that path," he said. "I still think there's a good chance that things will work out and Shane will stay. That's my mindset now."


Tippett said the uncertainty around the Coyotes' ownership situation this summer is no different than it has been for the previous two. He is attempting to go about his job in the same manner as the other 29 coaches in the League, even though he is the only one who isn't sure if his captain will be back or if his team will even be playing its home games in its home arena.


Like everyone else in the organization he wants to see a resolution to the ownership situation, but Tippett said he can't let that or the still unresolved contract situation with Doan affect his preparation for the upcoming season.


"Certainly getting stable ownership would push the organization forward, but my position is to take steps forward on the ice," Tippett said. "We made strides last year, but you've gotta find ways to continue to push that ahead. It's no different than other summers, but when you do take big steps like we did last year it would be nice to use that momentum going into this season.


"It's a challenge, but the players we have under contract, they're doing everything else that every other team is doing. We continue to prepare, and hopefully things work out."


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Posted 22 August 2012 - 02:25 PM

7.5
6.5
5.5
4.5

All though I don't see the rational in signing an ageing and declining player to this much money and term I think the above numbers are pbbly the minimum MG offered if there is a realistic chance to sign Doan.

$24 mill for 4 years for $6.0 mill annual cap hit.
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Posted 22 August 2012 - 07:19 PM

No deal until the big deal is dealt with. The labour deal trumps every other deal out there. Before Doan can sign a deal, before a deal for LUU gets done. First the season has to be ready to go.

Deal or no deal?!

DEAL.


Actually I think the labour negotiation situation is what would speed up a Doan deal. He will probably want to sign under the old system and get a lot of up front bonus money.

No way the league signs him to a big contract if they still own Phoenix, it would look terrible to be throwing big cash at him. The team sale could go through in the near future though, but I doubt it happens until there is a labour deal.

To me it all points to Doan leaving Phoenix because they can't make a deal for quite some time.

I suspect the part about him signing somewhere in the next week is possibly true though.

Maybe a new system would ease rules for over 35 contracts though...

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 07:31 PM

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How is this Doan talk? :picard:

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 07:42 PM

How is this Doan talk? :picard:

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 08:54 PM

Gillman a while back on local radio (when Doan came to Vancouver) had stated that a 4yr/30mill would be a deal breaker. Rumour of $8Mil per season offer by the nux is simply fabricated BS.
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Posted 22 August 2012 - 08:57 PM

Gillman while on local radio (after the Doan visit) suggested that a 4/30 offer would be a deal breaker.
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Posted 22 August 2012 - 08:57 PM

Gillman a while back on local radio (when Doan came to Vancouver) had stated that a 4yr/30mill would be a deal breaker. Rumour of $8Mil per season offer by the nux is simply fabricated BS.

There are reports out there that we've offered Doan 4 years with an average of $6 million per.
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Posted 22 August 2012 - 09:04 PM

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 09:17 PM

That's stupid money. This can't be true...
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Posted 22 August 2012 - 09:22 PM

It's confirmed that Canucks have put an offer on Doan a 4 year 24 million contract.

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 09:22 PM

Where else would that money be better spent? DO it Gillis!! We need a leader like him, with toughness and skill, to play with the Sedins!

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 10:12 PM

Front loading doesn't change the cap hit. Still a 5.75 mill cap hit that we have to pay if he retires before his contract ends.

it'll be a 5.75 cap hit. Even worse.

5.75. That's the risk of an multi year contract for a player over 35 and that's why front loading contracts for those players is useless. It doesn't change the cap hit and, if anything, might motivate them to retire earlier b/c they would have most of the money from the deal after one or two years.

^This. They might make a good chunk of the year 1 money a bonus and the other years mainly or totally salary, but there's no reason to front load. As mentioned, paying out most of the contract in the initial years only gives him more incentive to retire early, leaving us with the cap hit that's the average of the total contract and whatever he would have earned that year because it's a 35+ contract.

According to Hockey insider the offer is 4/25

According to @HI. Ok then. But that directly contradicts Eklund saying the Canucks offer was larger than Buffalo's. And yet I don't believe either one of them - come back when you have source that isn't on the invalid source list.

Back to Eklund, there's no way the Canucks have offered more than 4 years, $30M. A $7.5+M cap hit is not what will fit in their cap structure, and not what they'd offer for a 35+ contract. Even 4 years, $25M is a stretch. Doan will come here because he wants to, not because we offer a big contract.
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Posted 22 August 2012 - 10:30 PM

Here are some more realistic offers:

@TheStanchion In case you were wondering, here are the twitter deals offered to Shane Doan to sign in Vancouver pic.twitter.com/ej2fsLoa

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 10:33 PM

I'm guessing the Sabres offered 6m and the Canucks offered 6.5
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Posted 22 August 2012 - 10:34 PM

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 11:11 PM

I know he is not going to take a one year deal, but I would do one year for 7 million. If indeed Gillis is trading Luongo that would clear enough cap space, and the benefit would be great, just like the Sundin deal. Sure its overpayment, but what top end free agent isn't being over paid? We can afford it for one year, I just wouldn't do if for longer, as if he retires it screws us over.
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Posted 22 August 2012 - 11:31 PM

Who listens to Eklund?

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 11:43 PM

It's confirmed that Canucks have put an offer on Doan a 4 year 24 million contract.

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