The Brahma Bull Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 I'm not going to disrespect Higgins or Hansen (previous thread) I like them both but I believe Higgins beasted his way to nil points and -3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 The clear answer is Raymond, IMO. Higgins is a floater. He's been inconsistent throughout his career. Awful in Calgary, awful in New York, not particularly good in Florida. I was not happy when he was acquired, though I will concede that he's been a pleasant surprise, thought that's probably more related to how low my expectations were, to be honest. If I'm starting a team, I'm picking Mason Raymond without any difficulty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockhart Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Can we change the poll to "Healthy Raymond vs Healthy bag of pucks"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5minutesinthebox Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 The fact that you can't see he brings nothing to the table shows you know absolutely nothing 1. Since he arrived he has always played on the periphery, never gone to the net, hard spots to score, his one good year was more a benefit of playing with Kesler than him being the 'man' 2. He falls down religiously, can't stay on his skates 3. Weighs about as much as a 12 yr old girl, partially the cause of number 2 4. Skates really well but when its time to do something with the puck, either falls down, loses it, or shoots it at the goalies chest 5. Gets knocked off the puck very easily because of his size 6. Can't play along the boards (same issue as 5) 7. Great at circling in tight spaces but who cares if you can't get to the net 8. Disappears in the playoffs (again size), look at his playoff stats prior to his back injury 9. Scared to go to the hard spots on the ice where most goals are scored 10. Now, having broken his back #9 will be worse So tell me what exactly does he add? Case closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5minutesinthebox Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 As I say a fit Raymond is an exceptional player.............and no amount of hyperbolic and groundless ranting will change the minds of fair minded people. But hey if you need your fix, fill your boots...........nobody who really counts agrees with you anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 The key part of your post is "day". I think he did have a good one. Once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5minutesinthebox Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 He had an entire great season, man. Don't be so shortsighted. Yeah, he sucks now, but he was a legitimate scoring threat back in 2009-10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5minutesinthebox Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Higgins goes beast in the playoffs. Raymond has shown no signs of elevating his game in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoolander Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 The Higgs Boson All The Wayyyyyy!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Bang Boogie Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 I think many people are underrating Higgins offensively. He has had 3+ 20 goal seasons and his career high in goals is higher than Raymond. Granted, Raymond has had injuries but when both are healthy, he has less of an impact on a game than Higgins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuckswillwinitall Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Healthy Higgins any day, bigger, stronger, has a nice shot will go to the net if need be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thad Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 How healthy is Raymond? 30 more pounds of muscle healthy and he'd be a star lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cup2013? Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Raymond easily. he's a better player when he's at his best (09-10) He can be a legit top 6 forward on any team, something Higgins isn't unfortunately. It just sucks Raymond became so bad because I was a huge fan and he was a really ood player for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Except on Canucks. He is far from a legit top 6 on Vancouver. Also. I wouldn't define him as a really good player. One season with 50 points doesn't make a really good player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cup2013? Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 So everyone saying they would take Raymond 09/10 over Higgins today. If that's the case. I take Higgins 07/08 over Raymond 09/10. Also take Higgins over Raymond any day of the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal:thecup Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Higgins. Just think what you could get by trading Higgins. Now remember we can't get anything back for Raymond. 30 general managers agree, Higgins is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted August 17, 2012 Author Share Posted August 17, 2012 Two years? Umm one? And by the way, he had one good season, not to mention he's fallen down every season he's been here, flea can't stay on his skates. He isn't what this team needs and the only reason MG kept him is so that he can boost his trade value in the early part of the year and move him. MG is not silly enough to let him go for nothing. As for not noticing Higgins, well that statement combined with Raymond "lights you up", tells me you know little about hockey. 1. Higgins is one of the most consistent players on the team. He hits, checks, can score and plays with grit and determination. If you understand hockey, he does all the 'little things' teams need to win. You may not get out of your seat but he is doing alot of the hard work that people who never played hockey competitively don't understand. 2. Raymond, lights you up? Why because he skates real fast, goes around the net, and falls down? That's pretty much what the guy does. Great puck speed until he has to do something with the puck, then he either falls down, loses it or keeps circling doing nothing. I guess that's good hockey to you. The guy is useless, time to move him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted August 17, 2012 Author Share Posted August 17, 2012 The fact that you can't see he brings nothing to the table shows you know absolutely nothing 1. Since he arrived he has always played on the periphery, never gone to the net, hard spots to score, his one good year was more a benefit of playing with Kesler than him being the 'man' 2. He falls down religiously, can't stay on his skates 3. Weighs about as much as a 12 yr old girl, partially the cause of number 2 4. Skates really well but when its time to do something with the puck, either falls down, loses it, or shoots it at the goalies chest 5. Gets knocked off the puck very easily because of his size 6. Can't play along the boards (same issue as 5) 7. Great at circling in tight spaces but who cares if you can't get to the net 8. Disappears in the playoffs (again size), look at his playoff stats prior to his back injury 9. Scared to go to the hard spots on the ice where most goals are scored 10. Now, having broken his back #9 will be worse So tell me what exactly does he add? Case closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted August 17, 2012 Author Share Posted August 17, 2012 Higgins goes beast in the playoffs. Raymond has shown no signs of elevating his game in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TACIC Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Raymond is a better two-way player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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