SabreFan1 Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 4 hours ago, Chip Kelly said: The rub is that these girls use porn, stripping, amateur "lingerie modelling" etc because it pays more, and is easier work then having to bust their ass at an honest job, like a typical waitress working long hours for tips. How many girls would say yes to sending pictures of their feet to some fetish site,for a couple hundred bucks, when they want or need to make a few extra bucks? A couple hundred bucks to help pay rent, buy food, clothes, or whatever when they want to. Is it immoral behavior? Probably. Is it illegal though? Not unless girls are underaged or coerced in a form of online bullying or blackmail. Sugar daddies are a big thing now too apparently. Rich and lonely desperate guys,mostly old dudes, pay big money just to have some young eye candy to flaunt on their arm in public. As for feeling bad for these girls..well some come from legit bad homes, daddy issues, sexually abused at a young age. Many lost their virginity at a very young age before they were fully mentally and emotionally prepared. So in some cases you might feel bad. Overall it is what it is I guess. For me it boils down to once you are old enough to make your own decisions, you do what you want. If that means you'd rather lay on your back and/or pose nude in front of a camera than bust your butt to make a different life for yourself, that is your choice. If you're going to do that, do it to the best of your ability and make as much as you can as fast as you can because your shelf life is usually pretty short when your looks become your only means of making a living. If it weren't for STD's I'd have nothing against unregulated prostitution. As for a person's upbringing, life happens. You either overcome the negatives or you let them define you for the rest of your existence. It comes down to individual choice. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabreFan1 Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 Ewwwwwww..... It's no longer speculation. Investigators have confirmed that they have graphic/explicit video of all of the encounters at the massage parlor. I hope hazard pay and psychological counseling come with having to watch wrinkly old men get their jollies. Puts a bit of a wrinkle in Kraft's denials. https://www.tmz.com/2019/02/22/robert-kraft-named-in-prostitution-sting/?adid=hero5 Quote Investigators say they have videos of the men who paid for sex at the Asian massage parlor that Robert Kraft allegedly used ... and the footage is graphic. According to police documents obtained by TMZ Sports, officials were able to get a covert surveillance camera inside the Orchids of Asia Day Spa in Jupiter, Florida to record illicit activity. Cops list a variety of sex acts performed on 26 men who entered the business -- one of whom cops say is Robert Kraft. Kraft is not identified by name in the police documents. The police documents describe the surveillance video in graphic detail -- noting a pattern of behavior from the alleged Johns. The men would enter the spa and pay up front (some used cash, others used credit cards) before being escorted back into a private massage room. In almost every case, an Asian woman would tend to the client -- sometimes two women -- and perform sex acts using their hands and mouths. It does not appear any of the suspects engaged in vaginal intercourse. Cops say the surveillance videos capture every single detail of the encounters -- including ejaculation and subsequent cleanup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 19 hours ago, NucksPatsFan said: You can go to school and work hard and still not make what some of these girls make. Not even escorts, just stripping alone. At a stag the best man hired a couple girls from beachbunnies and the girls made 2k each .. they were there for like 2 or 3 hours... When I was doing the traveling musician thing in the 80's I met a stripper who was working on her Masters. (Can't remember what field) She used the money she made stripping to pay her tuition and she had also managed to save up a ton of money. The way she described it was like a business plan. She would do the stripping thing for 5-10 years, (as long as she could continue to get hired) get her masters and hopefully move right into a high paying job as soon as she quit the road. All the while, banking money towards retirement. Judging by most of the strippers I met in those days, she was definitely in the minority, but it does illustrate that the lifestyle can be used as a means to an end. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 10 hours ago, Chip Kelly said: @debluvscanucks once made a comment about knowing someone who stripped to pay their way through school. She basically argued that a traditional model was still selling her body and that it was no different than stripping. @Alflives Nope, don't think it was me. Don't know anyone meeting that description so think you may have confused me with someone else? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 18 hours ago, SabreFan1 said: That wasn't the point I was trying to make. Alf was pitying those girls. I was explaining to him that they had other choices. There are people that pity porn stars. I don't. You want to make a few grand for an afternoon of sex rather than go to school. That's your choice. 18 hours ago, NucksPatsFan said: They don't care what message they're sending to men when they're driving around in their paid for G-wagons to their daily massage and yoga sessions. They're trading opening their legs for living the glamorous life. And for a lot of them, their "work" isn't all that "gross" in the sense they're being wined and dined in fancy high quality restaurants and spreading their legs in hotel rooms that cost over a grand a night. It's pretty complex and there are SO many sides to this issue. There is exploitation....on both parts (let's face it). Women ARE forced into this life and that is horrific and can never be excused away. Young girls ripped off the streets. Then there are women who exploit old men and will do anything to get into their pockets. It's a two way street, but ev ery single incident can fall into either side. Some women see the easy/big money and sex isn't connected to love for them. It's a means to an end (as some have said). Some men are old, lonely and will pay to address their needs. If it's a matter of two consenting adults who are both willingly involved...whatever. Why should I care? Except that this industry does give way to the other side...the dark side. So it all gets blended in. There are so many women who do put $$ before all else and there are men willing to pay them. But it's the women people who are damaged or forced into this that are the casualties. So it's important to identify them and save them if possible. Those who have been abused early on often have their self esteem on the floor and feel like they're not worth anything. Often they're struggling and the money will make life easier, even if the other stuff takes a hit during the process. It's all about the person...the individual involved. If these women have been forcefully put in the position...then this should be the first step in getting them out of it. It's so sad, this double edged sword. On the one hand, adults should be free to...conduct their private business privately and without shame. However, if the lines are blurred and someone's being taken advantage of, it's a crime. It needs to be stopped. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabreFan1 Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 53 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said: It's pretty complex and there are SO many sides to this issue. There is exploitation....on both parts (let's face it). Women ARE forced into this life and that is horrific and can never be excused away. Young girls ripped off the streets. Then there are women who exploit old men and will do anything to get into their pockets. It's a two way street, but ev ery single incident can fall into either side. Some women see the easy/big money and sex isn't connected to love for them. It's a means to an end (as some have said). Some men are old, lonely and will pay to address their needs. If it's a matter of two consenting adults who are both willingly involved...whatever. Why should I care? Except that this industry does give way to the other side...the dark side. So it all gets blended in. There are so many women who do put $$ before all else and there are men willing to pay them. But it's the women people who are damaged or forced into this that are the casualties. So it's important to identify them and save them if possible. Those who have been abused early on often have their self esteem on the floor and feel like they're not worth anything. Often they're struggling and the money will make life easier, even if the other stuff takes a hit during the process. It's all about the person...the individual involved. If these women have been forcefully put in the position...then this should be the first step in getting them out of it. It's so sad, this double edged sword. On the one hand, adults should be free to...conduct their private business privately and without shame. However, if the lines are blurred and someone's being taken advantage of, it's a crime. It needs to be stopped. Sure. If it's a modern day slavery/indentured servitude situation like at that Asian massage parlor, those women needed help and should get it. For the people who make their living with their bodies willingly, that's their choice. If they end up with societal and/or emotional issues because of their choice, they went in with their eyes wide open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 26 minutes ago, SabreFan1 said: Sure. If it's a modern day slavery/indentured servitude situation like at that Asian massage parlor, those women needed help and should get it. For the people who make their living with their bodies willingly, that's their choice. If they end up with societal and/or emotional issues because of their choice, they went in with their eyes wide open. You've got the last part backwards though. Many go in with their eyes wide open, but they're damaged and desperate and this just feels "normal" to them. They don't end up with problems because, they end up in the industry because they have problems that make it a natural fit. I do agree, though...they can reach out for help. And sure, it is a choice but some are dealt really rotten hands in this world. and it's important to keep a sense of empathy rather than just judge them all. Many survivors of incest and abuse grow up in terrible situations and, if unchecked and untreated, just don't care. They shut down early on. Don't feel...including any sense of self worth or a point in trying. Getting help just means further possible judgement of them. So the industry gives a place for them to settle in and feel some sense of normal. Even if it's a really screwed up normal. Again...complex. It's not just one or the other. Even with the old dude who's widowed and looking for an outlet. Is it his fault if there's a business that offers what he's looking for? Is it his duty to do reference checks on the workers? I'd say the people running the joint have to answer for that...and, if human trafficking, is involved, very severely. Our world is a cesspool...time to clean it up, one dirty corner at a time. But it'll never happen and people will be exploited because there's money to be made. That seems more important than people's lives. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabreFan1 Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 1 hour ago, debluvscanucks said: You've got the last part backwards though. Many go in with their eyes wide open, but they're damaged and desperate and this just feels "normal" to them. They don't end up with problems because, they end up in the industry because they have problems that make it a natural fit. I do agree, though...they can reach out for help. And sure, it is a choice but some are dealt really rotten hands in this world. and it's important to keep a sense of empathy rather than just judge them all. Many survivors of incest and abuse grow up in terrible situations and, if unchecked and untreated, just don't care. They shut down early on. Don't feel...including any sense of self worth or a point in trying. Getting help just means further possible judgement of them. So the industry gives a place for them to settle in and feel some sense of normal. Even if it's a really screwed up normal. Again...complex. It's not just one or the other. Even with the old dude who's widowed and looking for an outlet. Is it his fault if there's a business that offers what he's looking for? Is it his duty to do reference checks on the workers? I'd say the people running the joint have to answer for that...and, if human trafficking, is involved, very severely. Our world is a cesspool...time to clean it up, one dirty corner at a time. But it'll never happen and people will be exploited because there's money to be made. That seems more important than people's lives. You're just more compassionate than I am. I'm all for helping people who will accept it even after they've made poor choices, but I don't consider them victims as long as everything they do is/was by choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabreFan1 Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 (edited) I wonder if Rod Woodson is going to keep his job in the AAF after this snafu: https://deadspin.com/rod-woodson-says-what-were-all-quietly-thinking-about-t-1832846438?utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow Quote Lewis: “Before we get there. Hack....Hacks about 50 percent [laughs]” Flanagan: “[inaudible] say that on TV coach, I got you. We’re not on TV, we’re on Bleacher Report. It’s different.” Woodson: “Ahh nobody’s watching, nobody cares, no one’s listening.” Edited February 24, 2019 by SabreFan1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabreFan1 Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 Speaking of the AAF... Who thought it was a good idea to give the Mormons a pro football franchise? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonLever Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 (edited) Well, this incidence proves Billionaires can be cheapskates. You would think with all of Kraft's wealth he can buy all the sex he wants in privacy in high class hotels, yet he goes to some cheap massage parlor in a mall to get his rocks off. BTW, why does Kraft needs the services when of a sex trade worker when he has 39 yr old actress as a girlfriend. Edited February 24, 2019 by DonLever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabreFan1 Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 12 minutes ago, DonLever said: Well, this incidence proves Billionaires can be cheapskates. You would think with all of Kraft's wealth he can buy all the sex he wants in privacy in high class hotels, yet he goes to some cheap massage parlor in a mall to get his rocks off. I doubt he's the only rich guy who went there. Jupiter Florida is a very affluent community. Probably second in Florida to only Boca Raton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Boudreau Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 38 minutes ago, SabreFan1 said: I doubt he's the only rich guy who went there. Jupiter Florida is a very affluent community. Probably second in Florida to only Boca Raton. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 More names starting to come out. This is a younger guy....the boyfriend of an LPGA player: https://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/golf/johnny-delprete-boyfriend-of-lpga-star-jessica-korda-arrested-for-soliciting-prostitution-in-florida-sting/ar-BBTZHXy?li=AAggNb9 Quote Johnny DelPrete, the longtime boyfriend of LPGA star Jessica Korda, was arrested in Stuart, Florida, as part of a human trafficking investigation involving several spas. DelPrete, 29, was arrested at 3:23 a.m. Friday on a charge of soliciting prostitution, according to booking records from the Martin County Sheriff's office. He was released on $2,500 bond Friday. Someone forgot to leave his putter in the bag...... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NucksPatsFan Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 2 hours ago, RUPERTKBD said: More names starting to come out. This is a younger guy....the boyfriend of an LPGA player: https://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/golf/johnny-delprete-boyfriend-of-lpga-star-jessica-korda-arrested-for-soliciting-prostitution-in-florida-sting/ar-BBTZHXy?li=AAggNb9 Someone forgot to leave his putter in the bag...... arrested at 3:30AM? Jeez. Wonder if they woke him up, or if he was at the spa getting a massage lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 Just now, NucksPatsFan said: arrested at 3:30AM? Jeez. Wonder if they woke him up, or if he was at the spa getting a massage lol. Probably right in the middle of trying for a hole in one..... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Boudreau Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 2 hours ago, RUPERTKBD said: More names starting to come out. This is a younger guy....the boyfriend of an LPGA player: https://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/golf/johnny-delprete-boyfriend-of-lpga-star-jessica-korda-arrested-for-soliciting-prostitution-in-florida-sting/ar-BBTZHXy?li=AAggNb9 Someone forgot to leave his putter in the bag...... My guy needs one of these.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NucksPatsFan Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 Kraft hopped on a plane to Florida to get a tug at noon and flew up to KC for a 5:25 kick off for the AFCCG. I mean, we all had to release stress in some way that day... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isam Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 Woooooo. Combine week. This is the year that eisen does sub 6.4 second forty. Plus there is this physical testing and interview thing for some draft eligible players. But carry on with the robert kraft thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 On 2/23/2019 at 9:21 PM, SabreFan1 said: Speaking of the AAF... Who thought it was a good idea to give the Mormons a pro football franchise? If they really want to fill the stands, they'll run a "Bring your wives and kids for free" promotion..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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