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#721 RUPERTKBD

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 01:15 PM

Texans and 49ers Superbowl?

Texans and Falcons. This was my early season prediction, so I'll stick to it. I know some people like the Patsies, (looking at you, NPF :P ) but when your defense allows 31 points to Buffalo, (and might have allowed 38, if a certain receiver hadn't changed his route with seconds left) I don't really like your chances of getting past teams like Pittsburgh, Baltimore and Houston.

Speaking of the Bills, I suppose I'll take Thursday night's win, (when you're a Bills fan, you take 'em anyway you can get 'em) but man was that ugly. The defense basically smothered the Fish, but Fitzy kept giving Tannehill chance after chance to come back.

The Red Zone is more like the Dead Zone for Buffalo's offense.
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#722 Tony Romo

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 04:29 PM

AFC

New England
Miami
Buffalo
Jets

Baltimore
Pittsburgh
Cincinnati
Cleveland

Houston
Indianapolis
Tennessee
Jacksonville

Denver
San Diego
Oakland
Kansas City


1-Houston
2-new England
3-Denver
4-Baltimore
5-Pittsburgh
6-San Diego

Denver over Sam Diego
Baltimore over Pittsburgh

Houston over Baltimore
New England over Denver

New England over Houston

NFC

Giants
Philadelphia
Washington
Dallas

Green Bay
Chicago
Minnesota
Detroit

Atlanta
New Orleans
Tampa bay
Carolina

San Fran
Seattle
St.louis
Arizona

1-green bay
2-Atlanta
3-San Francisco
4-ny giants
5-Chicago
6-Minnesota

Minnesota over San franscio
Giants over Chicago

Giants over Green Bay
Vikings over falcons

Giants over Vikings


SUPER BOWL
Patriots over giants

Edited by Tony Romo, 17 November 2012 - 05:31 PM.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 04:40 PM

I think if the Saints get in...they could be deadly.
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Posted 17 November 2012 - 05:06 PM

I think if the Saints get in...they could be deadly.


Not with their defence.. talk about brutal
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Posted 18 November 2012 - 02:57 AM

Not with their defence.. talk about brutal


Their defence is pretty bad but they have started to improve a little bit recently. A similar thing happened with the Giants when Spagnuolo was their d-coordinator in 2008, they struggled early but by the end of the season they became a really good defence.

Not saying the same thing will happen. But if the Saints continue improving defensively each week coupled with that already high octane offence they can really mess up the NFC playoff picture and play spoiler for other teams trying to get into the postseason.
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Posted 18 November 2012 - 08:02 AM

Texans and Falcons. This was my early season prediction, so I'll stick to it.


Texans and Packers .
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Posted 18 November 2012 - 12:33 PM

second week in a row I take a gamble by starting someone I shouldn't (taiwan jones last week, alex green this week), second week in a row I'll chalk up a loss in our league, sigh. Need to start going with my gut and not trying to outsmart myself.
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#728 Tony Romo

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 02:27 PM

God this is embarrassing
I have a bad feeling about ot
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Posted 18 November 2012 - 02:30 PM

Wow Packers were lucky to come out of Detroit with a win.

Can't wait until everyone is healthy
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Posted 18 November 2012 - 02:51 PM

Phew
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Posted 18 November 2012 - 05:15 PM

Patriots starting to click on all cylinders. Just destroying the Colts today.
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Posted 18 November 2012 - 05:52 PM

5 wins in a row for the Broncos. Defence has looked fantastic

Last 6 games for Broncos= 2 against Kansas City, 1 against Oakland, Cleveland Baltimore and Bucs

They go 5-1 which is doeable then they should have a good shot at #2 in the conference
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Posted 18 November 2012 - 06:03 PM

D is starting to improve every game! Hope it lasts.

Back to .500!! Huge game vs the 49ers next week.
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Posted 18 November 2012 - 06:16 PM

Patriots starting to click on all cylinders. Just destroying the Colts today.



They had 1 spectacular game against a terrible defense and a rookie qb whose stats are inflated because he played against crap teams early on in the season. Good win but nothing more. The Patriots are a sub par defensive team that will get beat in the second round

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 06:24 PM

They had 1 spectacular game against a terrible defense and a rookie qb whose stats are inflated because he played against crap teams early on in the season. Good win but nothing more. The Patriots are a sub par defensive team that will get beat in the second round


They have a good rush D but true they are weak on pass D.

Pats have always been an offense first team. Their Offense simply outscores the other team. Makes up for their D.
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Posted 18 November 2012 - 06:32 PM

Broncos are turnover prone, between interceptions and the all the backs/returners fumbles... it could really hurt vs a good team come playoffs. Still scared of Texans and Pats.
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Posted 18 November 2012 - 07:49 PM

Gronk broke his arm today
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Posted 18 November 2012 - 08:31 PM

AFC

New England
Miami
Buffalo
Jets

Baltimore
Pittsburgh
Cincinnati
Cleveland

Houston
Indianapolis
Tennessee
Jacksonville

Denver
San Diego
Oakland
Kansas City


1-Houston
2-new England
3-Denver
4-Baltimore
5-Pittsburgh
6-San Diego

Denver over Sam Diego
Baltimore over Pittsburgh

Houston over Baltimore
New England over Denver

New England over Houston

NFC

Giants
Philadelphia
Washington
Dallas

Green Bay
Chicago
Minnesota
Detroit

Atlanta
New Orleans
Tampa bay
Carolina

San Fran
Seattle
St.louis
Arizona

1-green bay
2-Atlanta
3-San Francisco
4-ny giants
5-Chicago
6-Minnesota

Minnesota over San franscio
Giants over Chicago

Giants over Green Bay
Vikings over falcons

Giants over Vikings


SUPER BOWL
Patriots over giants

Nothing on the NFC side makes any sense.

You rank GB ahead of Atlanta? No. Even then Green Bay would have to be perfect down the road which means the Vikings won't make the playoffs (they play each other twice). Vikings also play against the Bears twice and Houston once in the remaining six games. They'll be lucky to be 3-3. And there's no way a 9-7 record would make the playoffs because Seattle would have a similar record if not better and contains the tie-breaker.

Vikings over SF? Vikings over Falcons? Chargers making playoffs? Unlikely.
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Posted 18 November 2012 - 08:53 PM

Broncos are turnover prone, between interceptions and the all the backs/returners fumbles... it could really hurt vs a good team come playoffs. Still scared of Texans and Pats.


That would be no reason to hold them back. Also they are -4 in turnover ratio which isnt good but it will not kill you. They have the best QB in AFC and the defense has been doing amazing past 5 weeks. They have argubly the 2nd best defensive player in game as well in Von Miller.

As far as balance goes in terms of defensive and offensive consistency I would go Houston, Baltimore, Denver in AFC with Baltimore and Denver being close.

Also there are no teams that anyone should be really scared in AFC. Each team has its own flaws. Houstons the closest to flawless team but Patriots are no where close. There pass defense is terrible and there defense overall is pretty bad. Yeah there offense is scary but if you have a defense that can limit them a bit and a decent offence you have a good chance. That is why so many Patriots games are so close (this week and the first game with Buffalo being the exception).

Also I laugh when all the Patriots homers predict them to win super bowl. There is no way in hell that this Patriots team wins the super bowl.

Edited by canuckbeliever, 18 November 2012 - 08:54 PM.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 08:59 PM

Nothing on the NFC side makes any sense.

You rank GB ahead of Atlanta? No. Even then Green Bay would have to be perfect down the road which means the Vikings won't make the playoffs (they play each other twice). Vikings also play against the Bears twice and Houston once in the remaining six games. They'll be lucky to be 3-3. And there's no way a 9-7 record would make the playoffs because Seattle would have a similar record if not better and contains the tie-breaker.

Vikings over SF? Vikings over Falcons? Chargers making playoffs? Unlikely.

This wasn't well thought out were I looked at every schedule and predicted who would win or not.
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Posted 18 November 2012 - 10:05 PM

That would be no reason to hold them back. Also they are -4 in turnover ratio which isnt good but it will not kill you. They have the best QB in AFC and the defense has been doing amazing past 5 weeks. They have argubly the 2nd best defensive player in game as well in Von Miller.

As far as balance goes in terms of defensive and offensive consistency I would go Houston, Baltimore, Denver in AFC with Baltimore and Denver being close.

Also there are no teams that anyone should be really scared in AFC. Each team has its own flaws. Houstons the closest to flawless team but Patriots are no where close. There pass defense is terrible and there defense overall is pretty bad. Yeah there offense is scary but if you have a defense that can limit them a bit and a decent offence you have a good chance. That is why so many Patriots games are so close (this week and the first game with Buffalo being the exception).

Also I laugh when all the Patriots homers predict them to win super bowl. There is no way in hell that this Patriots team wins the super bowl.

Their ranked 6th vs the run, 7th most sacks, and lead the NFL in interceptions. You're a typical Patriots hater, it's cool. Most of your posts in here are bashing the Pats in one way or another, I'd suggest a hobby. I look forward to reading your many defensive replies to this. Oh, and ps: I'm sure most people will predict their team to win the Super Bowl at the beginning of the season, and if they're in a playoff position, then later on. I don't know what kind of fan would go against his own team. I predict the Canucks to win the Cup at the beginning of every season just cause that's what I'm hoping for.

It's people like you who last year kept saying there was no way the Patriots would make it to the Super Bowl, just limit their offense and they'll collapse, the Ravens and Steelers and Texans are all gonna get farther than them because they're more well rounded blah blah blah. Guess what, they and that sh*tty defense made it to the Super Bowl and were 1 welker drop away from winning. Look at what a back up QB did to the Texans defense today. Anything can happen. So while you laugh at Pats fan who are wanting their team to the win at the end, we'll laugh at your narrow mind.

Enjoy ranting about the Pats kid.


Anyways, I'm glad we have a run game this season. Had Gronk been hit with an injury last season, it would have been disastrous. But I have a feeling we'll be fine this year, especially with Hernandez coming back now and Edelman beginning to contribute more and more.

Edited by NucksPatsFan, 18 November 2012 - 10:14 PM.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 10:07 PM

This wasn't well thought out were I looked at every schedule and predicted who would win or not.

It's ok, he doesn't understand what bias and being a fan is and picking teams just because you want them to win, not because it makes the most statistical sense.
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Swap Byron Leftwich and Tom Brady's situations. Today Brady would be a UFA or on the Roughriders practice roster, Byron Leftwich would have 100 more wins than losses.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 10:34 PM

Their ranked 6th vs the run, 7th most sacks, and lead the NFL in interceptions. You're a typical Patriots hater, it's cool. Most of your posts in here are bashing the Pats in one way or another, I'd suggest a hobby. I look forward to reading your many defensive replies to this. Oh, and ps: I'm sure most people will predict their team to win the Super Bowl at the beginning of the season, and if they're in a playoff position, then later on. I don't know what kind of fan would go against his own team. I predict the Canucks to win the Cup at the beginning of every season just cause that's what I'm hoping for.

Enjoy ranting about the Pats kid.


Anyways, I'm glad we have a run game this season. Had Gronk been hit with an injury last season, it would have been disastrous. But I have a feeling we'll be fine this year, especially with Hernandez coming back now and Edelman beginning to contribute more and more.


Predicting is supposed to involve some logic and being realistic. Even right now, I would not predict the Broncos to win the Super Bowl because they have not shown me enough to be a super bowl team. You know how stupid you sound when you say you predict the Canucks to win the cup every year because that is what you hope for. Only irrational people or blatant homers base predictions on what they hope for. Hoping and predicting are completely different things.

All the ranting about facts was countered by that absolutely dumb statement. Also here is a fun fact.

The Patriots have allowed 20+points in 8 of ten games. Is that really indicative of an "almighty defense".

The Patriots total defense rank (measured by yards per game) is #27 in the league.

They allow 22.5 half points per game which is the 2nd worst among teams in the playoffs if the playoffs were to start today. The only team worse is the colts

3rd down completion percentage by Patriots opponents is highest for any team that is in the playoffs right now in the AFC.

There yards per play allowed of 4.9 is tied for worst in the AFC in terms of teams currently in the playoffs (again with the Colts).

Total points allowed (225) is 2nd worst among AFC playoff teams.


So basically every key category for defense the Patriots are doing terrible when compared to teams that are currently in playoffs in AFC. If you really want I can compare all of this to the rest of the AFC or the league but I thought it would be best to go with current playoff teams since that is usually a good barometer plus NFL.com only ranks total defense. Everything else I have to do manually.

Edited by canuckbeliever, 18 November 2012 - 10:45 PM.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 10:48 PM

Don't pay much attention to the ranks of defenses. Broncos raped the #1 D and then got absolutely tooled by the 30th last years playoffs. Hopefully it has just taken this long for their own D to "click" rather than later be inconsistent. I am hopeful though, the secondary looks sooooooo much better than last year. No more getting picked apart when the pass rush is struggling. The Pats D really stepped up last years playoffs, there isn't much in this world i enjoy more than watching the Pats lose, but they already have stomped Denver and I really want the Broncos D to be tested again before playoffs. No one left on their schedule is worth their salt.


@ Canuckbeliever, saying Von Miller is the 2nd best D player in the league is ridiculous..... Swatt can shuv it, Von is #1!



Seriously though the dude is not human. He is a QB sack/strip machine sent back in time to prove Cam's #1 overall pick a mistake.
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Posted 18 November 2012 - 10:54 PM

Predicting is supposed to involve some logic and being realistic. Even right now, I would not predict the Broncos to win the Super Bowl because they have not shown me enough to be a super bowl team. You know how stupid you sound when you say you predict the Canucks to win the cup every year because that is what you hope for. Only irrational people or blatant homers base predictions on what they hope for. Hoping and predicting are completely different things.

All the ranting about facts was countered by that absolutely dumb statement. Also here is a fun fact.

The Patriots have allowed 20+points in 8 of ten games. Is that really indicative of an "almighty defense".

The Patriots total defense rank (measured by yards per game) is #27 in the league.

They allow 22.5 half points per game which is the 2nd worst among teams in the playoffs if the playoffs were to start today. The only team worse is the colts

3rd down completion percentage by Patriots opponents is highest for any team that is in the playoffs right now in the AFC.

There yards per play allowed of 4.9 is tied for worst in the AFC in terms of teams currently in the playoffs (again with the Colts).

Total points allowed (225) is 2nd worst among AFC playoff teams.


So basically every key category for defense the Patriots are doing terrible when compared to teams that are currently in playoffs in AFC. If you really want I can compare all of this to the rest of the AFC or the league but I thought it would be best to go with current playoff teams since that is usually a good barometer plus NFL.com only ranks total defense. Everything else I have to do manually.

I didn't say they had an almighty defense. I'll be the first to admit we have the most horrendous secondary. My point was you can look at stats all you want, we're ranked 27th in defense? I think we were dead last last season and still made it to the Super Bowl. My point was that this team has enough talent and playmakers on Both sides of the ball to make a run and that its not an absurd or crazy thought to have an opinion regarding the patriots having a shot. I'm sure the Jaguars were destined to get destroyed by Houston today if we went off season stats and projections but they too proved that a team with playmakers can give a top ranked team a tough battle and embarrass their top ranked defense (Houston defense had negative fantasy points today).

Only reason I "attacked" your post is cause you write off the Pats like they're the Jets.
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Posted 18 November 2012 - 10:57 PM

Don't pay much attention to the ranks of defenses. Broncos raped the #1 D and then got absolutely tooled by the 30th last years playoffs. Hopefully it has just taken this long for their own D to "click" rather than later be inconsistent. I am hopeful though, the secondary looks sooooooo much better than last year. No more getting picked apart when the pass rush is struggling. The Pats D really stepped up last years playoffs, there isn't much in this world i enjoy more than watching the Pats lose, but they already have stomped Denver and I really want the Broncos D to be tested again before playoffs. No one left on their schedule is worth their salt.


@ Canuckbeliever, saying Von Miller is the 2nd best D player in the league is ridiculous..... Swatt can shuv it, Von is #1!



Seriously though the dude is not human. He is a QB sack/strip machine sent back in time to prove Cam's #1 overall pick a mistake.


I think it is a very important category. What screwed over the Broncos was the amount of defense they had to play due to Tebow. Now with Manning, time of possession tends to go the way of the Broncos instead of a 2 or 3-1 ratio the other way. A lot of the guys have also said that time of possession killed them last year. Eventually they ran out of gas.

I think for Patriots fans what should scare them is the fact that Brady and his offence play a lot and the time of possession swings there way virtually every game yet there fully rested defense still does average to terrible. This is a fully rested defense that lays eggs constantly.

Also I think its close and I could see why you see Von Miller as better than Watt. And I do agree with you that I want to see a couple more tests for the defense though in the 5 game win streak they have had some ok tests.

They were lights out against Brees and his offence. Also San Diego and Cincy have decent offences. Not great but they are average. I am really looking forward to the games against Baltimore and Tampa. Those games will indicate how great the team is and specifically the defense.

Need to get past Kansas City first though next week
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Posted 18 November 2012 - 10:58 PM

Ps; ton y Toni I understand why your posts have so many grammar mistakes now. Typesd that last post off an I touch , this website sucks for apple products. Too bad blackberry battery's dead.
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Posted 18 November 2012 - 11:56 PM

I think it is a very important category. What screwed over the Broncos was the amount of defense they had to play due to Tebow. Now with Manning, time of possession tends to go the way of the Broncos instead of a 2 or 3-1 ratio the other way. A lot of the guys have also said that time of possession killed them last year. Eventually they ran out of gas.

I think for Patriots fans what should scare them is the fact that Brady and his offence play a lot and the time of possession swings there way virtually every game yet there fully rested defense still does average to terrible. This is a fully rested defense that lays eggs constantly.

Also I think its close and I could see why you see Von Miller as better than Watt. And I do agree with you that I want to see a couple more tests for the defense though in the 5 game win streak they have had some ok tests.

They were lights out against Brees and his offence. Also San Diego and Cincy have decent offences. Not great but they are average. I am really looking forward to the games against Baltimore and Tampa. Those games will indicate how great the team is and specifically the defense.

Need to get past Kansas City first though next week


Lol yea, still can't believe they ain't played KC yet. As close to a guarantee as it gets in this league.

As far as last years defence i wouldn't say they got worn down at all, yea they were on the field a lot, but that's what happens when you run the ball for 3 quarters. More damage was done through ground and pound to the opponents D than our own, especially at home. Denver's D, like it's Offense, stepped up huge late in games, they weren't gassed they were clutch. That was really their whole identity. Denver's O was very conservative and almost always left the D with a long field to defend. It was the 1st half vs the Pats that they allowed 5 td's despite only 1 midfield turnover. Now, Peyton, well he's gonna throw some picks with his style of play, today the O gave up 9 points. It doesn't kill the D personally, but give any decent opposing offense that kind of back up and look out. Good thing Rivers is a plug and throws like a girl.

I don't like rankings because they lack context, the offense dictates the D so much. A high power passing team that puts up lots of points can afford to take high risk/reward plays on defense. Their D's will tend to rank high in pass rush and turnovers due to the risks the opponent takes and the fearlessness of blitzing players pinning their ears back. These D's will allow a ton of yards and in turn points, dropping their ranks, but as long as their offense does it's job they're golden. We saw this with the Pats, Packers and Saints D last year. Broncos have already lost 3 "shootouts" I like to think the Broncos are better today, but a front heavy schedule still worries me, especially if we are lookin at a wildcard bye week. Tampa and Baltimore will be a decent match, but not the "match-up" I really want to see.

I don't really have an argument of Von over Watt, but screw it im allowed to be homer and it's close enough to go either way.

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#749 Raoul Duke

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 12:09 AM

DAMMIT GRONK!!!
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Posted 19 November 2012 - 03:02 AM

Putting a suggestion box for your guys thoughts on the Eagles I want the perspective of fans of other teams because I'm perplexed. :sadno:

What do you think is wrong with the Eagles?

Should they clean house or tweek the roster.

Are they underachieving based on their talent level or are they just overrated?
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