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#1591 JollyJet

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 02:22 PM

I agree. IMO, the team with the better record should have home field advantage all the time.


That would defeat the purpose of having divisions and division games. Winning your division is an important thing.
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 05:10 PM

Ray Lewis will be a HOF the first time he is eligible to be elected into the Hall.
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 05:12 PM

Ray Lewis will be a HOF the first time he is eligible to be elected into the Hall.

and the Captain Obvious award goes to......

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 05:42 PM

I wonder if everyone picking the Colts to beat the Ravens are changing their predictions now because the Ravens will be just as motivated as the Colts to not be one and done and give Ray Lewis a win to delay his retirement.
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 06:53 PM

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 09:32 PM

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Washington would pick Griffin over Wilson 11 out of 10 times.
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 01:04 PM

Washington would pick Griffin over Wilson 11 out of 10 times.


I don't think the ad is directed at the Redskins, probably every other team that passed on him in the following rounds though.
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 02:26 PM

I don't think the ad is directed at the Redskins, probably every other team that passed on him in the following rounds though.


Ya, I thought that was fairly obvious. It's hard to believe that he went 75th overall....considering all he's achieved this season. You know there are quite a few teams kicking themselves right now.
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 03:27 PM

Ya, I thought that was fairly obvious. It's hard to believe that he went 75th overall....considering all he's achieved this season. You know there are quite a few teams kicking themselves right now.

In reality though, he was the 6th QB taken. Clearly RGIII and Luck were right to go 1-2. Ryan Tannehill and Brandon Weeden both went in the first round, and both are better "traditional" QBs. Those teams shouldn't have drafted Wilson unless they were going to allow him to play a system that maximizes his abilities like in Seattle. The only other QB taken before him was that Brock Ostweiller or whatever.

I mean if he wants to use a 3rd round selection as motivation, more power to him. But there are likely very few teams, if any other than the Seahawks, that would have given him a chance to succeed like he is.
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 03:48 PM

Ya, I thought that was fairly obvious. It's hard to believe that he went 75th overall....considering all he's achieved this season. You know there are quite a few teams kicking themselves right now.


The reason why he went so late is because of his height. If he was 6'2 he would have gone a lot sooner. You'd think because of Drew Brees' success teams would stop thinking short QBs can't be successful...

In reality though, he was the 6th QB taken. Clearly RGIII and Luck were right to go 1-2. Ryan Tannehill and Brandon Weeden both went in the first round, and both are better "traditional" QBs. Those teams shouldn't have drafted Wilson unless they were going to allow him to play a system that maximizes his abilities like in Seattle. The only other QB taken before him was that Brock Ostweiller or whatever.

I mean if he wants to use a 3rd round selection as motivation, more power to him. But there are likely very few teams, if any other than the Seahawks, that would have given him a chance to succeed like he is.


I don't know about that, Wilson could have easily started for a handful of other teams. He probably could have beat out some other team's starter. He had an amazing training camp and preseason which led to him starting. He was essentially the #3 QB coming in and wasn't expected to start. I don't even think Seattle expected him to play like he's playing. He proved a lot of people wrong.

I get what you're saying about the system though and having a good RB, offensive line and weapons at WR have definitely helped him. That truly is the recipe for developing a QB. You need to have weapons. Something the Jets didn't consistently do with Sanchez.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 04:36 PM

That would defeat the purpose of having divisions and division games. Winning your division is an important thing.


Disagree. Division winners should still make the playoffs, but they shouldn't get home field advantage over a wild card team with a better record, IMHO.
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 04:42 PM

Disagree. Division winners should still make the playoffs, but they shouldn't get home field advantage over a wild card team with a better record, IMHO.


Agreed, RUPERT. This would be akin to the crossover in the CFL playoffs. I'd be all for it. Seed Playoff teams based on record. NHL should consider this again, too.
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 06:10 PM

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 06:37 PM

ok boys im taking the packers to win, texans, and ravens, now the seahawks game i'm on the fence about i think the skins will win but everyone keeps tellling me to pick hawks, im putting a lot of money on this oddset ticket (100) welll a lot for me anyway and who do you guys think i should rolll with .. skins or hawks?
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 06:54 PM

Hawks should win. They have owned much better Qb's and teams than RG and the Skins.
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 07:26 PM

The reason why he went so late is because of his height. If he was 6'2 he would have gone a lot sooner. You'd think because of Drew Brees' success teams would stop thinking short QBs can't be successful...



I don't know about that, Wilson could have easily started for a handful of other teams. He probably could have beat out some other team's starter. He had an amazing training camp and preseason which led to him starting. He was essentially the #3 QB coming in and wasn't expected to start. I don't even think Seattle expected him to play like he's playing. He proved a lot of people wrong.

I get what you're saying about the system though and having a good RB, offensive line and weapons at WR have definitely helped him. That truly is the recipe for developing a QB. You need to have weapons. Something the Jets didn't consistently do with Sanchez.

I'm not convinced Miami or Cleveland would have allowed Wilson to play the system that suits his abilities as well as Pete Carroll and the Seahawks have. They would have wanted him to fit into their current drop-back and pass out of the pocket styles that they have Weeden and Tannehill running, guys who are better suited for it.

I don't think Seattle was expecting Wilson to start at any point this season, but once he started out-playing the other options they figured out how to give him and the team the best possible chance to succeed.
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 07:31 PM

Hawks should win. They have owned much better Qb's and teams than RG and the Skins.

They haven't played a Zone Read Option team yet. Completely different D to try and stop.

Plus the Seahawks have a tendancy to falter on the road. They lost to weaker teams like Miami, Detroit, St. Louis and Arizona on the road.
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 09:28 PM

I don't think the ad is directed at the Redskins, probably every other team that passed on him in the following rounds though.

My bad, figured since it was posted a couple days before he plays Washington, "them" would mean them.
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 10:33 PM

They haven't played a Zone Read Option team yet. Completely different D to try and stop.

Plus the Seahawks have a tendancy to falter on the road. They lost to weaker teams like Miami, Detroit, St. Louis and Arizona on the road.


Hawks run a bit of option stuff themselves. Just practicing against it is a bonus, plus they just have a very good D with the right personnel to shut em down. RG3 isn't 100% either. I think they'll win by at least 7.
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 10:44 PM

I arguably would take Wilson over Griffen. Wilson is a better runner and knows the game better. But the main reason is his career will be longer.
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 11:02 PM

I arguably would take Wilson over Griffen. Wilson is a better runner and knows the game better. But the main reason is his career will be longer.


Wilson is NOT a better runner
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 11:37 PM

Wilson is NOT a better runner


No he is not, but in time, the argument may be made that he is more elusive and a better scrambler. If RG3 continues to take injuries, that is a HUGE blow to his running reputation. Wilson is short and compact, theoretically he should be able to withstand more abuse, which could make him the bigger running threat.

This is gonna be a SICK game.
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 11:53 PM

No he is not, but in time, the argument may be made that he is more elusive and a better scrambler. If RG3 continues to take injuries, that is a HUGE blow to his running reputation. Wilson is short and compact, theoretically he should be able to withstand more abuse, which could make him the bigger running threat.

This is gonna be a SICK game.

Wilson has been lucky to not get injured in his rookie year, RGIII hasn't been as lucky. Too early to say one will have more injury issues down the road.

Also LOL at Wilson being the better runner.
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Posted 05 January 2013 - 12:05 AM

Wilson has been lucky to not get injured in his rookie year, RGIII hasn't been as lucky. Too early to say one will have more injury issues down the road.

Also LOL at Wilson being the better runner.


I've seen Wilson take some brutal hits this year so far. Definitely to early to say who will have the longer career.
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Posted 05 January 2013 - 01:05 AM

I'm not convinced Miami or Cleveland would have allowed Wilson to play the system that suits his abilities as well as Pete Carroll and the Seahawks have. They would have wanted him to fit into their current drop-back and pass out of the pocket styles that they have Weeden and Tannehill running, guys who are better suited for it.

I don't think Seattle was expecting Wilson to start at any point this season, but once he started out-playing the other options they figured out how to give him and the team the best possible chance to succeed.


You see the thing is though, teams adjust their offenses to suit their QB. Look at the Niners, they're using a fairly different offensive mindset with Kaepernick as QB than they were Alex Smith. Carroll always ran a pro offense at USC, so one would assume he would continue that style...but having a mobile QB like Wilson gave him [ well his OC ] to try different things that suit their QB.


I arguably would take Wilson over Griffen. Wilson is a better runner and knows the game better. But the main reason is his career will be longer.


Wilson does not know the game better. RG3 is one of the smartest QBs to come out in a long time. He had less turnovers and a higher completion percentage. He also had double the rushing yards as Wilson.

The thing about Griffin is, he is an extremely strong passer. He will adjust his game so that he isn't relying on his legs to make plays all the time. Look at Rodgers, easily one of the most mobile QBs in the game. But he only uses his legs when he knows its a smart play. Griffin is a good enough passer that he will adjust. Guys like Vick who haven't adjust, haven't because they're not good passers like RG3.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 01:31 PM

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 03:33 PM

You see the thing is though, teams adjust their offenses to suit their QB. Look at the Niners, they're using a fairly different offensive mindset with Kaepernick as QB than they were Alex Smith. Carroll always ran a pro offense at USC, so one would assume he would continue that style...but having a mobile QB like Wilson gave him [ well his OC ] to try different things that suit their QB.




Wilson does not know the game better. RG3 is one of the smartest QBs to come out in a long time. He had less turnovers and a higher completion percentage. He also had double the rushing yards as Wilson.

The thing about Griffin is, he is an extremely strong passer. He will adjust his game so that he isn't relying on his legs to make plays all the time. Look at Rodgers, easily one of the most mobile QBs in the game. But he only uses his legs when he knows its a smart play. Griffin is a good enough passer that he will adjust. Guys like Vick who haven't adjust, haven't because they're not good passers like RG3.

Not all do. In fact many don't. Sure, most will make a few adjustments in play-calling or whatnot, but few change the whole system. Pete Carroll is one, that is the whole point of my argument.

For the rest of your post, I definitely agree.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 03:44 PM

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 03:56 PM

The Bengals D is staying in it by holding the Texans to field goals.
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Posted 05 January 2013 - 04:06 PM

Christian Ponder not playing. O___O

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