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#31 RUPERTKBD

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 12:33 PM

Interesting point about Manny there, GM. I've actually had my suspicions about a few guys over the years. Bret Boone and Brady Anderson come to mind right away, but the guy I really wonder about is Luis Gonzalez.

In 2001, when the D-Backs beat the Yankees in the world series, Gonzo hit 57 homers, which was almost twice as many as he hit the previous season and more than double what he'd get in the following season.

His stats suggest that he was always a good hitter, (several seasons with 150+ hits, including one 200 hits season) but an increase in power numbers like that is hard to explain. It makes you wonder how many cheaters there are out there....
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Posted 27 August 2012 - 12:42 PM

Off topic a bit here, but it looks like the 6 teams are set for the playoffs. Unless my team craps the bed against The Benchwarmers all 6 teams will finish above .500.


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Posted 27 August 2012 - 03:30 PM

Interesting point about Manny there, GM. I've actually had my suspicions about a few guys over the years. Bret Boone and Brady Anderson come to mind right away, but the guy I really wonder about is Luis Gonzalez.

In 2001, when the D-Backs beat the Yankees in the world series, Gonzo hit 57 homers, which was almost twice as many as he hit the previous season and more than double what he'd get in the following season.

His stats suggest that he was always a good hitter, (several seasons with 150+ hits, including one 200 hits season) but an increase in power numbers like that is hard to explain. It makes you wonder how many cheaters there are out there....

You know, it's impossible to tell with those guys sometimes. And to me that's one of the worst legacies of the age of the Juicer (particularly in how it's been succeeded by the age of the Stats Nerd), that every time you see a statistical aberration, there's a reflex to suspect that doping was involved. Not to mention that every guy who played on a steady level of excellence then seemed to decline suddenly gets met with suspicion too. So I always wondered what happened to cause Juan Gonzalez to fall off so fast. Similarly, Jeff Bagwell's health just dove off a cliff and caused everyone to wonder if he'd had to drop a doping regimen that was keeping him on the field, even though I don't think there was any evidence against him. It's hard to want to believe suspicions against guys like him, Boone, Gonzo, etc, because most of them were pretty likable guys in their day and the evidence is all circumstantial, but that's just what has happened. I always really liked Boone as a Mariner too (even though I think he looks like George W Bush), and had the misfortune of going to see the Mariners the afternoon when he had just been DFA. Looked at the scoreboard and saw Jose Lopez (who was grossly overrated IMO) there instead and was sorely disappointed, even though Booney had been slumping badly, and then having to watch the tearful presser after, very sad.

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 10:28 PM

Wow, when I read about the trade today I could not believe my eyes, especially with Gonzo leaving.

Sure Beckett may have played himself out of town, declining from being the dominant pitcher, and Crawford's tenure in Boston didn't really ever go well, but too bad Adrian had to go too, he was one of the few bright spots on the team.

Hopefully with better health the Bo-Sox can compete again really soon; the pieces they have left are still competent, even strong enough to compete in the AL East, they just need to get replacement guys for the big pieces dealt away.
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Posted 27 August 2012 - 11:48 PM

Gonna be at the BOS @ LAA game tomorrow night!!
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Posted 29 August 2012 - 10:03 AM

Went to the game last night. Mike Trout had a sick game, 3-5, leadoff homerun and a clutch game tying single in the 9th. Atta boi Trout!
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Posted 31 August 2012 - 11:11 AM

Oh yeah, you got to see a good one there. I still can't count out the Angels this year, they're way back but that roster is just too good. Yet somehow they can't make up any ground on the unbelievable Athletics (6 game win streak right now), who somehow are still not out of the division race despite how deadly the Rangers can be. I wasn't too crazy about the two wild card system, but it's actually pretty neat that so many teams are still in contention for the postseason at this time of year. I think the Reds and Nationals are pretty set in their divisions, and the Yankees are probably going to be able to hold off the Orioles (!) But had you told me last year that going into September, the Orioles, Athletics and Pirates would all be in playoff contention, I would've laughed in your face. And we're not even talking about a longshot, the O's and A's hold the two AL wildcard spots right now and the Pirates are 0.5 games out in the NL. In total, I'd say 15 teams are still vying for the 10 playoff spots (one might offer some very long odds to the D'Backs as the 16th, being that they play the Giants and Dodgers so much in September), and that's not too shabby for baseball, especially with 4 of 6 division titles still being legitimate races. Last year, the final day of the season was amazing, but it was just the two wild cards with four teams contesting them, and those 4 teams were the only ones really worth watching by the second half of September.

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Posted 03 September 2012 - 06:31 PM

So I was at the August 31st Arizona @ Dodgers game. Wasn't at all impressed with the Dodgers bats that game. You would expect them to muster a lot more than 5 hits over 9 innings with the likes of Victorino, Gonzalez, Kemp, Ramirez, who went a combined 0-16

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 11:57 AM

So, to put Mike Trout's season into historical perspective using some sabermetrics, he's currently sporting a league best WAR (Wins Above Replacement) of 9.3. If you project his pace through 113 games onto the remainder of the season (he could potentially play in 139 games if he plays every remaining one), he would be worth 11.4. That would represent the highest single season WAR value in the entire careers of any currently active player, beating out Greinke's 2009 season and ARod's 2001 season (10.1). The last non-steroid linked position player (read: Bonds) to post a higher value in a single season than 11.4? Carl Yastrzemski's 12.0 in 1967. Before that? Lou Gehrig and Babe Ruth in 1927. Yes, that's correct, dear friends. If you put stock into advanced metrics, Mike Trout is on pace for the second best season by any untainted position player since Murderer's Row, and he's in his ROOKIE season. That's why I suggest going to see him if you can: this is a season that's going to be engraved in the history books. Anyone still doubting that he should be MVP?

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 10:13 AM

Went to last night's Giants game, and it was one of the least exciting ball games I've ever attended. However, it was the first time I've ever seen the benches clear, so that was something. On a first-and-second situation, the ball is hit to the first baseman Belt, who tosses to Sandoval at third to try and catch the lead runner (former Blue Jay John McDonald). Johnny Mac runs hard into Sandoval, trying to dislodge the ball as Pablo tags him. Understandably upset, Sandoval turns to confront McDonald, prompting both benches to empty. I wouldn't call it a brawl, but it was one of the few things to cheer in a game where the home team couldn't get even get anyone on base until the 6th inning. Turns out it wasn't really intentional, as Johnny Mac said he just lost his balance trying to figure out how to get through the tag, and Pablo seemed to agree that there was no malice intended.

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 01:49 AM

mike trout is a ???? boss
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Posted 09 September 2012 - 10:58 AM

mike trout is a ???? boss

The R.O.Y. is a lock, but the real question is can he match Ichiro and Fred Lynn by winning the MVP as well.

As it sits right now, I think Miggy wins it...
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Posted 09 September 2012 - 12:33 PM

The R.O.Y. is a lock, but the real question is can he match Ichiro and Fred Lynn by winning the MVP as well.

As it sits right now, I think Miggy wins it...


I'll laugh so hard if he doesn't get the ROY

I think it comes down to Cabrera vs. Trout. I'm not sure who should get it but I know Cabrera hits like this consistently and Trout had a monster year as a rookie.
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Posted 09 September 2012 - 12:42 PM

Verlander is doing his utmost to not win the Cy in the AL. Poor outings on the road, don't help.
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Posted 11 September 2012 - 08:11 PM

After watching the BoSox squeak out a win against the Pinstripes, it got me thinking that I would love nothing more than to see the Beantown Boys play spoiler and knock the Yanks out from the 2nd Wild Card spot.
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Posted 12 September 2012 - 10:28 AM

If Trout doesn't win MVP I will be very pissed off at the voters. His and Miguel's "Slash lines" are very similar, to be sure. Miguel has more homers and RBI and strikes out less, and those are traditional but very antiquated measures of a player's value. Conversely, Trout leads the league in runs scored and stolen bases, showing that his value extends from the batter's box to the basepaths. However, you have to give Trout such a huge edge defensively that it should more than cancel out any bias in Miguel's favour. Trout is the second best defensive player in the AL (0.1 behind Seattle's Brendan Ryan in dWAR), whereas Cabrera is a defensive liability. Don't get me wrong, Trout's offence should be enough to get him the award anyways, but his defence should keep it from being even close. My post earlier about his WAR pace? He's now sitting at 10.4 and on pace for 12.1 for the season. Babe Ruth is the only position player to achieve that high of a value in a single season since the 19th Century. Again this can't be overstated, in terms of his value, Mike Trout is having the best season by a position player not named Babe Ruth in the modern history of baseball. If that doesn't win the MVP then the award is rigged and misnamed.
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Posted 15 September 2012 - 03:27 PM

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 12:00 PM

Well, at least all is becoming normal again in the world of Pennsylvania baseball. The Phillies are scratching at .500 (and somehow, beyond all probability, still in playoff contention), while the Pirates are in a complete and utter freefall back to sub-.500, where they're very used to being and despite an MVP-calibre season from centerfielder Andrew McCutchen.
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Posted 17 September 2012 - 12:19 PM

Head to head match up between Tiggers and Chisox. Love how all the media attention goes to every division except the ALC. Yankmees this, yankmees that!
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Posted 17 September 2012 - 12:20 PM

After watching the BoSox squeak out a win against the Pinstripes, it got me thinking that I would love nothing more than to see the Beantown Boys play spoiler and knock the Yanks out from the 2nd Wild Card spot.


Would love to see this too. Doesn't really matter that much to me who does it, as long as the Yanks are out. However, considering the rivalry between the two teams, it would rub a little well-deserved salt in the wound...

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 07:42 AM

The Sox get the Tiggers out of the way, now off to a series against the dreaded KC Royals. Don't know why, they somehow have the pale hose number this year. Hey Rup glad to see another bball fan that doesn't like the Yankmees. Growing up in the early 60's everyone liked them, except me. Game of the week always seemed to feature Mick and the boys.

Agree with you GM, how in *ell are the Phillies still relevant?
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Posted 18 September 2012 - 12:43 PM

Jeff Passan from Yahoo wrote his column this week about how the second wild card has rewarded mediocrity in baseball http://sports.yahoo....-card-race.html

It's a fair point really, and makes sense when you think about it: you're basically talking about the 9th & 10th best teams in the league making it, so really, a couple of teams only a couple of ticks above average. In some seasons (like last one), that's less the case, but mostly it will probably be true. The first wild card was a cool thing because it allowed in that one team that was really strong but stuck with another strong division rival, and because it opened up a competition amongst all divisions to see which second place team was actually top calibre. But now, they've allowed for a much weaker second place team, or a third place team, to hold a playoff spot, so they've sort of pushed the level of competition downwards, and all of the sudden you're going to get average teams going on a little run because that weaker team is really just an above average team.

Having said that, I think the two leagues are quite different this year in that respect. In the AL, the second wild card is lining up to have the effect of letting 4 teams, locked into 2 division races, off the hook a little bit. Maybe the Rays and Angels can stay with the race and make it interesting, and the fact that the division races are still so close does make that pretty neat, but you don't need a second wild card for that to be the case. However, it's just as possible that they'll fall off and the teams will start to separate, in which case what would have been a strong push from the O's and A's to take the wild card could easily culminate in both teams easing up and saving their ace for the 1-game playoff. Conversely, in the NL, the Braves would have had the only wild card sown up by now, as they are the only non-division leader that deserves a spot. However, the fact that there are no other particularly good teams in the NL means that all the average ones are in the wild card race.

I'm all for the idea of playing "meaningful" games down the stretch. I just want to see good teams playing those games, not mediocre ones.
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Posted 29 September 2012 - 03:25 PM

Cabrera with the HR I hope he gets the triple crown!!

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 03:36 PM

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 03:54 PM

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 03:57 PM

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 10:49 AM

I hope he doesn't win, because then people will vote for him for MVP when it should belong to Mike Trout.

Alas, I thought the Angels should go far this year (not really a fan, just thought they had the tools), but it looks like they'll fall short of the playoffs. Conversely, the A's are probably going to make it (amazingly), though barring a sweep of the Rangers at home, they'll have to play their way in to the series rounds by beating Baltimore or New York. Somehow the White Sox have fallen flat at the worst possible time, and need a miracle to make the playoffs.
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Posted 01 October 2012 - 11:13 AM

I'm surprised Homer Bailey's no-no wasn't mentioned here at all...


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Posted 02 October 2012 - 10:42 AM

Well, the playoff pictures are a lot clearer after last night's games. All the AL participants are accounted for, with the Athletics clinching a spot last night, and unless the Orioles can win and get a favour from Boston over the Yanks, they will be a wild card participant. The A's could still win the AL West, if they can sweep the Rangers, otherwise they will play Baltimore, and do hold the tiebreaker for home field advantage (I believe they hold it over the Yankees too, though I'm not 100% sure). The Tigers also clinched the Central, and probably an undeserved MVP award for triple crown candidate Cabrera, while the deserving winner went 4 for 5 in an ultimately unimportant win as the Angels were eliminated.

In the NL, the Dodgers kept their very slim hopes of catching the Cardinals alive with a walkoff over the Giants, however St Louis did ensure itself at least a play-in to the wild card round with a win over Cincinnati. It seems somewhat inevitable that the Cards grab the second spot and a chance to play the Braves (who by losing ensured they can do no better or worse than the 1st wild card), but the Dodgers hold out hope, and their arch-nemeses have very little to play for themselves, as they can also finish no better than the lowest seeded NL division winner.

I'd say the series to watch now is the head-to-head Oakland vs Texas one, as an Athletics win tonight sets up a 1 game showdown on Wednesday for the AL West crown and a bye through the wild-card play-in. If Boston and Baltimore both win tonight, then tomorrow's games become significant, and if the Dodgers and Reds win, then Wednesday games may dictate a one game playoff for the second NL wild card.
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Posted 02 October 2012 - 01:00 PM

Didn't realize until today that Miguel Cabrera has an excellent chance to win the triple crown. When was the last time this happened?

Oh and congrats to the guy who won the Fantasy league. Although 5th place is better.
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