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#211 Stick-in-Rink

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 08:35 PM

Really hope it doesn't mean the end of Edler here. Was really expecting him to be signed today.
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#212 Pears

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 08:36 PM

Panic time?
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In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

Gaudreau has one NHL goal whereas all your "prized" prospects have none.

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 08:57 PM

He doesnt want to sign here or he wants too much. If there is no season he is a UFA . However, I do think there will be a season so we can trade him to a team that wants to over pay him and he wants to go to.
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Posted 15 September 2012 - 09:03 PM

This is not a problem I anticipated we'd be having, at all. Definitely don't like the sounds of all this, but hopefully it's nothing too serious and we can get him locked up.
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Posted 15 September 2012 - 09:09 PM

We now need to trade Luongo for a top six forward no question. But we can also dump Ballard, Raymond, and Alberts as well (maybe let Higgins and Malhotra walk if necessary at the end of the year) which would free up close to $10 million. Say Luongo is traded for a top six winger with say, a $5 million cap hit. Top six solidified. Then we can trade Ballard and Raymond for an extra $6,475,000 of cap space. When that's all said and done we would have $9,239,999 in cap space. Plenty of room.


When exactly were we able to trade players for cap space?

Regardless, if malhotra and raymond walk which they both probably will. It is more than enough cap to sign edler. If edler leaves it will be his own doing and not for a lack of cap space from the canucks. I really wish you guys would get your heads out of your asses and think crap through before running your idiocy to CDC.

Especially you stamkos, not a single one of your 6000+ posts has been useful. Take a pause for the cause buddy.
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Posted 15 September 2012 - 09:13 PM

When exactly were we able to trade players for cap space?

Meaning trading them for picks, hence freeing up cap space. Thought you would've figured that out without me having to explain it to you.

And how can you say all of my posts are useless when you've only been here for 5 months and I've been here for 10?

Edited by Steven Stamkos' Mullet, 15 September 2012 - 09:17 PM.

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In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

Gaudreau has one NHL goal whereas all your "prized" prospects have none.

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 09:22 PM

Meaning trading them for picks, hence freeing up cap space. Thought you would've figured that out without me having to explain it to you.


Picks turn into players, players = salary.

Beyond that, who is going to trade for raymond? The answer being nobody of course.

Ballard is a good player, with a decent contract. Hes our only capable top4 that isnt in the top 4, meaning if one of our top 4 goes down to injury if ballard was not here, we would have andrew alberts playing top 4 minutes. Is that really something you want to see?

All I ask is that you think about the random useless crap you post before you post it. Proposal after proposal, lineups, coaches and strategies. You have an opinion on all of them, its unfortunate how uneducated your opinion can be.
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Posted 16 September 2012 - 12:47 AM

Picks turn into players, players = salary.

Beyond that, who is going to trade for raymond? The answer being nobody of course.

Ballard is a good player, with a decent contract. Hes our only capable top4 that isnt in the top 4, meaning if one of our top 4 goes down to injury if ballard was not here, we would have andrew alberts playing top 4 minutes. Is that really something you want to see?

All I ask is that you think about the random useless crap you post before you post it. Proposal after proposal, lineups, coaches and strategies. You have an opinion on all of them, its unfortunate how uneducated your opinion can be.

Trading for draft picks is what GMs look for when trying to free up cap space to sign a player. Your logic is stupid there.

Also, I believe that Raymond does have some value attached. He may not be living up to his potential right now, but if he can just get back into form. Same reason why teams kept giving Raycroft and Mason shots.
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Posted 16 September 2012 - 12:56 AM

Future captain


UHHHHHHHH No.
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Posted 16 September 2012 - 12:58 AM

Edler to Philly for Coutuier,Gutfasson(the d),3rd
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Posted 16 September 2012 - 12:59 AM

Meaning trading them for picks, hence freeing up cap space. Thought you would've figured that out without me having to explain it to you.

And how can you say all of my posts are useless when you've only been here for 5 months and I've been here for 10?

Wow u post like vintage Canuck
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Posted 16 September 2012 - 12:34 PM

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And how can you say all of my posts are useless when you've only been here for 5 months and I've been here for 10?


You are correct, It would be nearly impossible for me to read all of the 6600 posts that you have created in the last 10 months.

There is a saying: Quality > Quantity

And since you decided to get into the specifics of our time here on CDC I'd like to calculate another stat for you that ties in nicely with the new saying you hopefully just learned.

6600 posts with 2348 rep - 34% (rounded up)
271 posts with 253 rep - 93% (Rounded down)

6600 posts divided by 10 months = 22 posts per day
271 posts divided by 5 months = 1.8 posts per day

The moral of the story is: Shut up and go outside.
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Posted 16 September 2012 - 12:39 PM

I applaud u sir,finally shut him up
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Posted 16 September 2012 - 03:00 PM

You are correct, It would be nearly impossible for me to read all of the 6600 posts that you have created in the last 10 months.

There is a saying: Quality > Quantity

And since you decided to get into the specifics of our time here on CDC I'd like to calculate another stat for you that ties in nicely with the new saying you hopefully just learned.

6600 posts with 2348 rep - 34% (rounded up)
271 posts with 253 rep - 93% (Rounded down)

6600 posts divided by 10 months = 22 posts per day
271 posts divided by 5 months = 1.8 posts per day

The moral of the story is: Shut up and go outside.

The funny thing is, is that I don't come even close to making 22 posts a day anymore, I'd say its more 5-7 depending on certain things.

Now lets stop talking about my post count and get this thread back on topic ok?
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In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

Gaudreau has one NHL goal whereas all your "prized" prospects have none.

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 04:03 PM

The guy has never in all his years got involved in a scrum or even entered one with a teammate getting picked on or roughed up even though he's huge it's a laughable lol


I'm just going to destroy your flawed argument from this point. The Sedin's have never been in a scrum, or tried to defend their teammates from a scrum. You don't want them to, because it's more beneficial for the Canucks to have them on the ice putting the puck in the net, after a beautiful tic-tac-toe play, rather then for them to sit for two minutes in the box for pulling out someones tooth. It's the same situation with Edler... you would rather have his outlet passes, and hits on the ice rather then be in the box.

The Sedin's time and time again were said to be soft players who couldn't lead Vancouver even close to the cup, when they couldn't produce in the playoffs such as a couple years ago against Dallas. As for Edler and his big hits? On our run to the cup finals against Chicago Edler nails Kane with a clean hard hit and our forward picks up the puck and there's our transition game at work, There's one on Doughty too when he lays him out in Round 1. It's easy to find flaws with anyone games, and I'm not saying in any sense that Edler has Hamhuis like consistency, but Edler is easily one of our top defensemen. Edler was terrible against the Kings this year... yes that's true but so was our entire defence group. Hamhuis made the play which cost the Canucks, but he's not inconsistent. Everyone has bad games, and even though Edler may be less consistent then other defensemen, but it's absolutely comical how you turn him from a top tier NHL defensemen, to someone who sounds like he could barely crack an ECHL roster. (ex. "cowering defensemen looking lost making tons of errors is not what i want in the playoffs") Whats absolutely laughable about that is how your proposing he doesn't get a penny over 5 million dollars or something around that mark, but then you put that comment about him. Hypocritical.

He's as soft as anyone in the league? I have never seen the Sedins or Gaborik look for a huge hit, but they use their speed or passing in order to make it in the league. Edler has an entire arsenal of weapons from his passing, skating, shot, hits, and his huge frame. I guarantee you that if Schneider was getting beat out of... it wouldn't be just Edler getting in the scrum. Furthermore I think that you put too much emphasis on "scrums, and fights". Little newsflash here this isn't the 1950's when all you needed was to be big to play in the NHL, or else Gerbe would be bandaged in a hospital bed by now. Again referring back to the Sedins... how much better off would we be if they dropped the gloves twice every game? How about if players like Tomas Plekanac, or Phil Kessel dropped the gloves. There are many types of players on a succesful team, and Edler is easily one of our best defensemen. He doesn't need to have twelve scraps on his resume, or have a mean streak in front of our net to be one of our best defensemen. For the record I haven't seen Lidstrom drop the gloves or get involved in huge scrums in front of Detroit's net, and yet people consider him one of the top defensemen in the NHL all time? Absolute joke according to your logic correct, cause ya know he doesn't fight or get mad.

To top if off.... The Sedin's make everyone around them better. Who cares if he plays constantly with the Sedins. Are you going to say Weber sucks, because he had Suter around. How about Garrison since he had Campbell around. How about when people said Edler's offensive output would drop as soon as we parted ways with Ehrhoff. You need good players around you to be a good player, as Rick Nash has shown. Burrows must only be worth about 800k a season, since he always plays with the Sedins? 600k if he didn't know how to PK? Exactly your arguments are flawed and incorrect, and seriously the Sedins are benefitting from Edler as well. He's offensively gifted, and isn't exactly Luongo when it comes to playing defence.
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Posted 16 September 2012 - 04:20 PM

The funny thing is, is that I don't come even close to making 22 posts a day anymore, I'd say its more 5-7 depending on certain things.

Now lets stop talking about my post count and get this thread back on topic ok?


So now your posts defy math as well as logic.
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Posted 16 September 2012 - 05:14 PM

Gillis doesn't mess around. Either you take a discount to be here or your gone.

It already came out that they were ready to trade Burrows if he didn't sign his extension.

I'm sure Gillis offered him a fair contract, and him and his agent rejected it to try and get more money. Except all that does is tell Gillis he doesn't wanna be part of this group, so it's bye bye.
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Posted 17 September 2012 - 06:06 PM

Why are some of you so concerned with Edler not re-signing a new contract? Just because a deal wasn't done before the end of this CBA doesn't mean a new deal can't be reached. The max length and term of such a new deal might be different than one under the old CBA, but I dont think it changes much really. Edler seems like the type of player who would like to remain a Canuck player anyway. No reason to worry about him jumping ship. Besides, they have him signed for one more year aswell, lots of time to figure things out going forward.
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Posted 17 September 2012 - 06:07 PM

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 06:10 PM

Gillis doesn't mess around. Either you take a discount to be here or your gone.

It already came out that they were ready to trade Burrows if he didn't sign his extension.

I'm sure Gillis offered him a fair contract, and him and his agent rejected it to try and get more money. Except all that does is tell Gillis he doesn't wanna be part of this group, so it's bye bye.


Really? Luongo, Kesler, Garrison,Ballard,Malhotra, and Booth all have either market level or higher contracts. Im sure more negotiating is needed to hammer out a deal. For all we know the Canucks want a 4 year term and Edlers camp may want 6 years with front loaded money. We really dont know.
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Posted 17 September 2012 - 07:06 PM

You are correct, It would be nearly impossible for me to read all of the 6600 posts that you have created in the last 10 months.

There is a saying: Quality > Quantity

And since you decided to get into the specifics of our time here on CDC I'd like to calculate another stat for you that ties in nicely with the new saying you hopefully just learned.

6600 posts with 2348 rep - 34% (rounded up)
271 posts with 253 rep - 93% (Rounded down)

6600 posts divided by 10 months = 22 posts per day
271 posts divided by 5 months = 1.8 posts per day

The moral of the story is: Shut up and go outside.


I have 215.4% reputation and post an average of 3.3 posts per day.

Am I going to die?
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Posted 18 September 2012 - 09:44 AM

Am I going to die?


Yes, we are all going to die. The sun will shine for another 4-5 billion years, but will be too hot for us in half a billion years. So not only will we all die, but every descendent who still lives on earth will die too.

I think Edler will Erhoff us... He may be a free agent by the time Hockey begins again...
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Posted 18 September 2012 - 10:05 AM

Really? Luongo, Kesler, Garrison,Ballard,Malhotra, and Booth all have either market level or higher contracts. Im sure more negotiating is needed to hammer out a deal. For all we know the Canucks want a 4 year term and Edlers camp may want 6 years with front loaded money. We really dont know.


1) Ballard and Booth we traded for, so those contracts are irrelevant.
2) Kes would have gotten more as a UFA (just look at Parise's contract)
3) when Lu signed his contract we were getting the best goalie in the league for a 5.3mil cap hit. If he was still playing now like he was then he'd be an absolute steal.
4) Garrison was offered "Wideman money" to play somewhere else but chose Van instead (according to McKenzie)

Malhotra was probably market value at the time, but he's the exception on this team
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Posted 18 September 2012 - 12:46 PM

Meaning trading them for picks, hence freeing up cap space. Thought you would've figured that out without me having to explain it to you.

And how can you say all of my posts are useless when you've only been here for 5 months and I've been here for 10?

no offense but 6600+ in 10 months is a tad excessive..do you get out much?
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Posted 18 September 2012 - 01:34 PM

I applaud u sir,finally shut him up

you need to get off your high horse too, buddy. I may not make the most insightful posts around, nor do i have a massive post count but your posts are almost always dreadful. And those memes???!! wtf?

dude. please stop with the memes. just stop.
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Posted 18 September 2012 - 01:39 PM

on topic...

imo the only snag with an extension for edler is term (as a poster said earlier)
i cant imagine edler would want insane cash ala suter but 5.5-6 is most likely what he & his agent are looking for.
it did occur to me though that last years playoff performance may be the wrench in the contact talk...
is it possible mg could be taking a hard stance? say, using last year as a reason to attempt to lowball alex?
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Posted 19 September 2012 - 08:20 AM

I'm just going to destroy your flawed argument from this point. The Sedin's have never been in a scrum, or tried to defend their teammates from a scrum. You don't want them to, because it's more beneficial for the Canucks to have them on the ice putting the puck in the net, after a beautiful tic-tac-toe play, rather then for them to sit for two minutes in the box for pulling out someones tooth. It's the same situation with Edler... you would rather have his outlet passes, and hits on the ice rather then be in the box.

The Sedin's time and time again were said to be soft players who couldn't lead Vancouver even close to the cup, when they couldn't produce in the playoffs such as a couple years ago against Dallas. As for Edler and his big hits? On our run to the cup finals against Chicago Edler nails Kane with a clean hard hit and our forward picks up the puck and there's our transition game at work, There's one on Doughty too when he lays him out in Round 1. It's easy to find flaws with anyone games, and I'm not saying in any sense that Edler has Hamhuis like consistency, but Edler is easily one of our top defensemen. Edler was terrible against the Kings this year... yes that's true but so was our entire defence group. Hamhuis made the play which cost the Canucks, but he's not inconsistent. Everyone has bad games, and even though Edler may be less consistent then other defensemen, but it's absolutely comical how you turn him from a top tier NHL defensemen, to someone who sounds like he could barely crack an ECHL roster. (ex. "cowering defensemen looking lost making tons of errors is not what i want in the playoffs") Whats absolutely laughable about that is how your proposing he doesn't get a penny over 5 million dollars or something around that mark, but then you put that comment about him. Hypocritical.

He's as soft as anyone in the league? I have never seen the Sedins or Gaborik look for a huge hit, but they use their speed or passing in order to make it in the league. Edler has an entire arsenal of weapons from his passing, skating, shot, hits, and his huge frame. I guarantee you that if Schneider was getting beat out of... it wouldn't be just Edler getting in the scrum. Furthermore I think that you put too much emphasis on "scrums, and fights". Little newsflash here this isn't the 1950's when all you needed was to be big to play in the NHL, or else Gerbe would be bandaged in a hospital bed by now. Again referring back to the Sedins... how much better off would we be if they dropped the gloves twice every game? How about if players like Tomas Plekanac, or Phil Kessel dropped the gloves. There are many types of players on a succesful team, and Edler is easily one of our best defensemen. He doesn't need to have twelve scraps on his resume, or have a mean streak in front of our net to be one of our best defensemen. For the record I haven't seen Lidstrom drop the gloves or get involved in huge scrums in front of Detroit's net, and yet people consider him one of the top defensemen in the NHL all time? Absolute joke according to your logic correct, cause ya know he doesn't fight or get mad.

To top if off.... The Sedin's make everyone around them better. Who cares if he plays constantly with the Sedins. Are you going to say Weber sucks, because he had Suter around. How about Garrison since he had Campbell around. How about when people said Edler's offensive output would drop as soon as we parted ways with Ehrhoff. You need good players around you to be a good player, as Rick Nash has shown. Burrows must only be worth about 800k a season, since he always plays with the Sedins? 600k if he didn't know how to PK? Exactly your arguments are flawed and incorrect, and seriously the Sedins are benefitting from Edler as well. He's offensively gifted, and isn't exactly Luongo when it comes to playing defence.

Destroy ya right you didn't prove a thing.
The Sedins are as soft as Edler so what! That just makes it all the more important that someone as soft as Edler isn't on their line because they could really use someone who has some balls.
Defensemen in the NHL should have some ability to be tough especially on the Canucks where we are pretty soft throughout. The Sedins, Burrows and Keslers need a tough dman with them to keep the opposition honest. I can't believe how many like you can' t see that this is a must have in order for the skilled players to do their thing did you not see thr Boston series lol.

Look if Edlers defensive game was much tighter i could put up with him being so soft but the guy too many times looks like a rookie getting caught wondering all over the ice flat footed and lost it's hard to watch. A top team should have a more solid player then Edler or like we all witnessed against LA it's just going to keep hurting our chances to win.

Edlers brutal play was totally unnacceptable and he was a major reason we lost that series and unfortunately it hasn't been the first time i have seen him play so brutal. He is much worse defensively then a lot of people want to admit and bad far too often even leading AV to call him out on it.

Btw Hamhuis's bad games are few and far between compared to Edler's that's ridiculous comparing their defensive games Hamhuis is ten times better defensively then Edler lol.

If i am MG i offer Hamhuis Bieksa money at best and if he doesn't accept i deal him with Luongo. Edler has far too many holes in his game including the lack of toughness i think a defensemen needs to get any more money then them.

I am hoping that MG is saying to Edlers agent the same thing and saying get your full game together and then we will talk elite dman money and if not trade him. Without the Sedins this guy will be nothing.

The Canucks will be just fine without him and maybe better off especially if him and his agent are getting greedy.

Edited by The Big Luongo, 19 September 2012 - 08:53 AM.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 10:49 AM

There is no doubt his overall record is good!.Gillis no doubt has a track record convincing guys to play on an internal versus salary hierarchy. But it's not cast in stone; some of it is timing (and he does empower guys as well!).

Here on CDC; we were ecstatic when the Sedin's re-signed versus bolting for free agency. But their deals were heavily questioned up until Hank started leading the league in scoring the next season. And $5 mill per season was seen as a BIG risk for Kesler at the time, but it's also paid off and like Burrows is considered great value.

But Gillis has also been played, or overpaid loyalties in establishing an eclectic and mercurial reputation for dishing out contracts as well. Ask for an evaluation on contracts for Lou, Marco Sturm, Sundin or Demitra anyone?

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Did Gillis give u a sweetheart contract to pick up the messes he left behind?



Gillis doesn't mess around. Either you take a discount to be here or your gone.

It already came out that they were ready to trade Burrows if he didn't sign his extension.

I'm sure Gillis offered him a fair contract, and him and his agent rejected it to try and get more money. Except all that does is tell Gillis he doesn't wanna be part of this group, so it's bye bye.


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Posted 19 September 2012 - 10:58 AM

So now your posts defy math as well as logic.

You go girlfriend, don't take no crap from her :towel:
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Posted 19 September 2012 - 11:26 AM

Someone ban this fool already. Its like he's talking about an Edler with decreased stats he made on NHL 13 :picard:


You can't ban someone for speaking their mind. While Big Luongo's schtick on the Sedins being soft is tired cliche, considering how excellent Henrik was in the playoffs, Edler is the exact opposite of Henrik.

Henrik is consistent, he is the greatest passer and one of the greatest playmakers in the game today. We watched him become a warrior in the short-lived playoff run. He was consistent every game.

Edler is not. He never has been. Therefore he cannot be the highest paid defenceman on the team. Big Luongo is right about another point. Edler lacks a killer instinct. This was evident not only during the playoffs, but long stretches of the regular season. Yes he possesses a powerful shot and can dish out big hits, but he fails to do either with any consistency.
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