coleman26 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 No one should claim 100% certainty about anything without having undisputed evidence. Even Richard Dawkins, basically the pre-eminent Atheist in the world (in the sense that he's vocal and looked up to, kind of like Szander LeVay in the Church of Satan, but doesn't have a church to run) says that he cannot be 100% sure that there is no God, because no matter what it is nature to wonder. Evolution falls under the umbrella. I'm 99.9% sure that evolution is the right answer. That doesn't mean that if someone came up tomorrow and said 'I have found a lot of scientific evidence that might link development of species in another way' it should be judged on it's merits, not thrown to the side because it's a different theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awall011 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 There is NO other possibility. This subject is no longer at debate in academia. I don't have to imagine....there's empirical evidence to point to evolution. There is NOTHING with the breadth of proof of evolution. You'd be a complete ignoramous to think there is another possibility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Can you read? I clearly said that I DO agree with the evidence in favour of evolution. But do you really not understand the hypthetical situation I was getting at? Call it the god trump card, if the creation story is true, then all that evidence suggesting evolution becomes false, by virtue of it being part of creation. I don't think I can explain it any simpler than that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coleman26 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Do you know the difference between a 'theory' and a 'Scientific Theory'? If not, I suggest you look it up and learn the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 No one should claim 100% certainty about anything without having undisputed evidence. Even Richard Dawkins, basically the pre-eminent Atheist in the world (in the sense that he's vocal and looked up to, kind of like Szander LeVay in the Church of Satan, but doesn't have a church to run) says that he cannot be 100% sure that there is no God, because no matter what it is nature to wonder. Evolution falls under the umbrella. I'm 99.9% sure that evolution is the right answer. That doesn't mean that if someone came up tomorrow and said 'I have found a lot of scientific evidence that might link development of species in another way' it should be judged on it's merits, not thrown to the side because it's a different theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coleman26 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Good for him. I am 100% sure that you're a tool. So it's fact. I never said Dawkins didn't believe in Evolution, did I? I said he didn't say with an absolute certainty that he doesn't believe in God. My words are right there. Read them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super19 Posted August 24, 2012 Author Share Posted August 24, 2012 Ramadan Reminder Day 16 - Islam vs Evolution - Yasir Qadhi | August 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coleman26 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 btw, if you want to know why people hate religious conversation, it's because I'm saying 'I believe in Evolution, but I'm willing to listen to other theories if they have merit' and you're LOSING YOUR MIND ABOUT IT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awall011 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 And I don't think I can dumb it down any further for you. There is NO NEED to say 'if' or 'imagine' or anything else in order to entertain another possibility aside from Evolution. Your hypotheticals are irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awall011 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Ha, but then there would be a god. That would be interesting wouldn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 I did. So, Scientific Theory is, as I knew, reliant on constant re-testing and examination to ensure the success of their theory? OH MAN I CANT WAIT TO SEE HOW YOU TALK DOWN TO ME AND SHOW HOW THAT WASN'T WHAT I SAID. What I am talking about is just that - It's Scientific Theory. Until it's Scientific Fact, it's open for discussion, and re-testing. Again, there are currently prominent scientists who are trying to prove that Gravity doesn't exist as we imagine it to. Sounds ridiculous, right, because we've known since an Apple fell on Newton's head that Gravity is a thing. But here we are. You don't have to agree with me, but don't talk to me like an ignorant piece of trash. It's cool though, the greatest Scientist who ever lived preaches keeping theories open to all avenues of though, but some little kid on a message board says NOPE GUYS EVERYTHING ELSE IS WRONG. lol. Grow up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Good for him. I am 100% sure that you're a tool. So it's fact. I never said Dawkins didn't believe in Evolution, did I? I said he didn't say with an absolute certainty that he doesn't believe in God. My words are right there. Read them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 btw, if you want to know why people hate religious conversation, it's because I'm saying 'I believe in Evolution, but I'm willing to listen to other theories if they have merit' and you're LOSING YOUR MIND ABOUT IT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awall011 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Scientists always leave room....even if they're 99.99% sure about something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Maybe you should read that last post of mine again, its a fairly simple idea. And there's no way that you or anyone else can say with absolute certainty that its wrong. Unless of course you ARE god... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 So if there's one thing we learn today, its that you're no scientist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awall011 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Here is what you said. Again....I don't have to consider the 'if', which is what I said in response already. The rest of your though experiment is irrelevant to the facts. The fact is that there was not 'creation' that occurred 6000 years ago. The fact is that fossils weren't planted by some god. Your thought experiment is meaningless next to what is already known. If you want to play 'what if's' go ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckClown Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 This thread reads like a grade 10 science class. Sharp is 100% correct. Others are idiots in this case, that is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awall011 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 We'd have learned that you're operating on the ignoramous side of basic high-school science knowledge if anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super19 Posted August 24, 2012 Author Share Posted August 24, 2012 What other 'theory' or conjecture has merit enough to stand up to the empirical evidence of evolution?? Go on, tell us what this other theory is then. The evolution process is not something that you 'believe in'. It doesn't require your belief or non-belief for it to be a fact, much like gravity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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