aGENT Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Exactly. People present their ideas as fact, when they clearly are only ideas. People can believe whatever they want to believe. But to start arguments over it is pointless when there is no way of ever knowing the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Mind Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Well no, a LOT of things can actually be answered by Science. "Is there a god" specifically, is not one of those things. However, related subjects such as evolution, the origins of the universe/Big Bang etc can and do dispute vast swaths of the assorted holy books and the religions that believe in them and start to poke a lot of holes in religious *ahem* "theories" about the existence of god. From there, it's a very minute leap of logic and common sense to determine on one's own that "god" (or gods) are nothing more than constructs of primitive peoples to help explain and define to them what were confusing events and due to a lack of scientific knowledge at the time, unexplainable. That framework was later then twisted and used by those in power to control the masses for political purposes. There is PLENTY of data and history to show all of that as well. Now again, that last paragraph in no way "proves" there's no god(s) but it does certainly bring their existence in to serious question and should give most modern, intelligent humans at the very least, pause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VICanucksfan5551 Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Well of course science can prove many things, I'm not arguing against that. Science does make many question their beliefs. There seems to be a lot more agnostics around now then there was a decade ago. I've had to think about my beliefs from time to time. But I always come back to: science brings no reason to life. And I don't think everything exists just for the sake of existing. But nothing can be proven anyway. Like I've said before, God could have created the big bang; and there's no way we could find out. I like hearing people's beliefs. I just don't like it when people present them as fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Why does there have to be an objective reason for existence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevlach Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Or maybe to him it seems strange that a universe devoid of meaning and purpose could give rise to creatures who are so obsessed with finding meaning and having a purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkeeterHansen Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Another religious joke.. One of the best examples of how ridiculous government paperwork can be is illustrated by a recent case in Louisiana. A company president was trying to buy some land in Louisiana for a plant expansion, and he wanted to finance this new facility with a government loan. His lawyer filled out all the necessary forms, including the abstract---tracing the title to the land back to 1803. The government reviewed his application and abstract and sent the following reply: 'We received today your letter enclosing application for your client supported by abstract of title. We have observed, however, that you have not traced the title previous to 1803, and before final approval, it will be necessary that the title be traced previous to that year. Yours truly.' As a result, the lawyer sent the following letter to the government: 'Gentlemen, your letter regarding title received. I note you wish title to be claimed back further than I have done it. 'I was unaware that any educated man failed to know that Louisiana was purchased by the United States from France in 1803. The title of the land was acquired by France by right of conquest of Spain. The land came into possession of Spain in 1492 by right of discovery by a Spanish-Portugese sailor named Christopher Columbus, who had been granted the privilege of seeking a new route to India by Queen Isabella. 'The good queen, being a pious woman and careful about title, took the precaution of securing the blessing of the Pope of Rome upon Columbus' voyage before she sold her jewels to help him. 'Now the Pope, as you know, is the emissary of Jesus Christ, who is the Son of God. And God made the world. Therefore, I believe it is safe to assume that He also made that part of the United States called Louisiana, and I now hope you're satisfied.' I don't get it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevlach Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 I don't want to offend anyone but this is funny: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Mind Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 Why does there have to be an objective reason for existence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Ambien Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 I can't believe this discussion continues still. Instead of bickering over what is the origin of life, or whatever it is now that's being discussed, why don't some of you learn to realize that we don't have the answer? There's not enough proof, and there never will be. Instead of being stuck on what happened in the past, perhaps it's time to look to the future instead, and get on with life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortorella's Rant Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 I don't want to offend anyone but this is funny: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VICanucksfan5551 Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 I think it makes more sense that everything in the universe happened for a reason, instead of it just happening for the sake of happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 I think it makes more sense that everything in the universe happened for a reason, instead of it just happening for the sake of happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 I kid, but I will admit this thread def has hit the skids since Sharp's banishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 Sharp was banished? For what? In that case, here's a link to another 'atheism is on the rise' article: http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/1018/breaking31.html Mr. Quinn here seems to believe that checking off 'no religion' doesn't necessarily mean the person isn't either religious or spiritual. Grasping at straws? Or does he have a point. It underlines that while people are still open to the undefinable idea of religion and spirituality, more and more don't exactly want to be linked an organized church. I'd probably be put into this category as well. Of course, organized church has some work to do if they want to re-expand their flock. Hey, if the end of days happens on schedule this year, then you can guarantee a boost in membership. Yay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 Spirituality: A simple case of projecting human emotion to naturally occurring conditions. ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 Spirituality: A simple case of projecting human emotion to naturally occurring conditions. ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 So you're connected to purposelessness. I see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 So you're connected to purposelessness. I see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drybone Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 Why does there have to be an objective reason for existence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 causality world view means cause and effect. So if we are here then there should be a reason. However, I have often wondered if the empirical evidence will show us an answer we didnt want to find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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