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#121 Sharpshooter

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 10:16 PM

Well I believe he said "evidence" not "proof." Just saying my friend :)


I believe you're mistaken.

You can see and touch that coin, so you don't need faith....
God, for his own reasons, has not subjected himself to that kind ofproof....

Instead, you must use corroborative evidence that point convincingly toward God - and that is important for it leaves room for us to take a step of faith in the same direction that the evidence is pointing....


Just saying as well. ;)
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Posted 20 August 2012 - 10:23 PM

Ah I see. Well he did say "Instead, you must use corroborative evidence that point convincingly toward God" which is what I thought you were talking about.
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Posted 20 August 2012 - 10:43 PM

Actually, that's a re-post from a book by Lee Strobel.

How does a scientist corroborate something that has no proof for it in the first place?

Oh, and by the way, it's not a "proselytizing web site" - I'm just sharing interesting things I have discovered during my journey.

Thanks again for proving my point though about going "out of your way".


So it's an uncredited quote that seems to passed off as your own 'example'?

i.e, plagarism?

Uh...just a heads up cause you may not be aware, but "Thou shall not steal".


A scientist does not start out with a conclusion, for example "God exists", and then go about corroborating that conclusion with evidence.

A scientist would start out with a general question, like "Does God exist?" and through a process of elimination, will narrow and focus the research area, eventually, arriving at one fundamental hypothesis around which the experiment can be designed, in order to test and evaluate the hypothesis, manipulating one or more variables to generate analyzable data. Then the scientist would make sure that the experiment has controls and a large enough sample group to provide statistically valid results. At this point the scientist would be observing and recording the results of the research, gathering the findings into raw data. Then, statistical analyses are performed on the data, and it is organized into an understandable form. Then the hypothesis would be proved or disproved. and the results would be filtered to explain what happened and why and then published and shared with the rest of the scientific community, allowing other scientists to test the hypothesis and analyze the experiment as well, to corroborate the results.

Oh come on Geoff, I didn't really go out of my way, now did I? :)

Now, be a dear and credit Mr Strobel for 'your example'. I'll be glad to follow suit and credit Hammurabi for the usage of part of his 'Laws of Hammurabi" that 'Moses'......'borrowed'.....from his Babylonian predecessor while 'getting the 10 commandment off of Mount Sinai directly from God'....*wink wink*.

You Christians sure do like to 'borrow' whenever it suits your needs eh? Oh well, no biggie, the Jews and Muslims 'borrowed' their fair share too. You know what they say, "you are the company you keep".
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Posted 20 August 2012 - 10:44 PM

Ah I see. Well he did say "Instead, you must use corroborative evidence that point convincingly toward God" which is what I thought you were talking about.


No biggie buddy, it happens to the best of us.

You'll get me next time. :)
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Posted 21 August 2012 - 04:15 AM

I'm not trying to convert anyone - where are you getting that from me?

I must need my eyes checked, I misread your post as conversion rather than conversation, although you do tend to come across as trying to convince people that your beliefs are better.
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Posted 21 August 2012 - 08:11 AM

So it's an uncredited quote that seems to passed off as your own 'example'?

i.e, plagarism?

Uh...just a heads up cause you may not be aware, but "Thou shall not steal".


A scientist does not start out with a conclusion, for example "God exists", and then go about corroborating that conclusion with evidence.

A scientist would start out with a general question, like "Does God exist?" and through a process of elimination, will narrow and focus the research area, eventually, arriving at one fundamental hypothesis around which the experiment can be designed, in order to test and evaluate the hypothesis, manipulating one or more variables to generate analyzable data. Then the scientist would make sure that the experiment has controls and a large enough sample group to provide statistically valid results. At this point the scientist would be observing and recording the results of the research, gathering the findings into raw data. Then, statistical analyses are performed on the data, and it is organized into an understandable form. Then the hypothesis would be proved or disproved. and the results would be filtered to explain what happened and why and then published and shared with the rest of the scientific community, allowing other scientists to test the hypothesis and analyze the experiment as well, to corroborate the results.

Oh come on Geoff, I didn't really go out of my way, now did I? :)

Now, be a dear and credit Mr Strobel for 'your example'. I'll be glad to follow suit and credit Hammurabi for the usage of part of his 'Laws of Hammurabi" that 'Moses'......'borrowed'.....from his Babylonian predecessor while 'getting the 10 commandment off of Mount Sinai directly from God'....*wink wink*.

You Christians sure do like to 'borrow' whenever it suits your needs eh? Oh well, no biggie, the Jews and Muslims 'borrowed' their fair share too. You know what they say, "you are the company you keep".


Done.

Yes, you go out of your way.

I agree with your last line - thanks for the heads up about being in "your company".
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Posted 21 August 2012 - 08:13 AM

I must need my eyes checked, I misread your post as conversion rather than conversation, although you do tend to come across as trying to convince people that your beliefs are better.


If it comes across that way, then it's unintentional...unfortunately, I tend to get caught up in the mosh pit around here...
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Posted 21 August 2012 - 09:28 AM

If it comes across that way, then it's unintentional...unfortunately, I tend to get caught up in the mosh pit around here...

It is difficult to control emotions when faced with an antagonistic type like Sharpe
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Posted 21 August 2012 - 09:43 AM

It is difficult to control emotions when faced with an antagonistic type like Sharpe


"You all a bunch of effin bumholes. You know why? You don't have the guts to be what you wanna be. You need people like me. You need people like me so you can point your effin' fingers and say, "That the bad guy." So...what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide--how to lie. Me, I don't have that problem. Me, I always tell the truth. Even when I lie. So say [good-morning] to the bad guy."
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Posted 21 August 2012 - 10:02 AM

No biggie buddy, it happens to the best of us.

You'll get me next time. :)


Oh it's on! ;)
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Posted 21 August 2012 - 10:38 AM

Done.

Yes, you go out of your way.

I agree with your last line - thanks for the heads up about being in "your company".


Better than the kool-aid drinkers you surround yourself with.....fake platitudes, faux humility, deluded realities and self-righteous hypocrisy.....blech. Better to be in the company of 'sinners' than the 'holy', any day of the week, and especially on Sundays.


Oh it's on! ;)


Come at me bro. B)
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Posted 21 August 2012 - 11:05 AM

Better than the kool-aid drinkers you surround yourself with.....fake platitudes, faux humility, deluded realities and self-righteous hypocrisy.....blech. Better to be in the company of 'sinners' than the 'holy', any day of the week, and especially on Sundays.




Come at me bro. B)


I've never been around "kool-aid drinkers" - are you speaking from experience or ignorance?
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Posted 21 August 2012 - 11:20 AM

you strike me as a guy who has looked into what you believe.. you honestly think most religous people are like you? I would say the vast majority blindly follow whatever religion they have been taught/told to follow, hense the "kool-aid" reference..
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Posted 21 August 2012 - 12:20 PM

you strike me as a guy who has looked into what you believe.. you honestly think most religous people are like you? I would say the vast majority blindly follow whatever religion they have been taught/told to follow, hense the "kool-aid" reference..

And not every atheist disbelieves because they have looked into the belief in God (whether by reading Harris or Dawkins etc.). Many I know simply disbelieve because they think religion is dumb, or religious people are stupid, yet they themselves don't much intellectual thought behind their own beliefs.

But yeah obviously with such large populations worldwide of religious and atheist we're going to see a wide range of reasons for belief.
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Posted 21 August 2012 - 12:31 PM

Its all just BS (Belief Systems) Belief proves nothing and those that believe there is an Omniscient external being looking down upon those he created in judgement are only operating in the realm of effects. To think that an intelligence grants your wishes or punishes you depending on your actions or his own whims is something we no longer need to believe in. Obviously before the advent of high powered telescopes in Astronomy and Electricity becoming useful in the day to day lives of the average person, Religion could have explained the wonders of the sky and all the scary things that go bump in the night.

The truth is the Universe has always been subjected to particular laws and principles. When we exist in harmony with these laws it is as if miracles are being worked. When our thoughts and actions are in violation with these laws: lack, disease, disharmony, loss etc. is what results.

There is a Universal or Cosmic Intelligence, in my mind there is no doubt. How else does life spring from a seed and gather all it requires to express its own life? However this Universal Intelligence is subject to the laws and priciples of the Universe in the same manner we all are and is not the force behind the creation of these laws as one would assume if this was indeed God.


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Posted 21 August 2012 - 12:41 PM

And not every atheist disbelieves because they have looked into the belief in God (whether by reading Harris or Dawkins etc.). Many I know simply disbelieve because they think religion is dumb, or religious people are stupid, yet they themselves don't much intellectual thought behind their own beliefs.

But yeah obviously with such large populations worldwide of religious and atheist we're going to see a wide range of reasons for belief.


Uneducated opinions are sadly far too common place, i'd agree. However, i'd argue that at least their ignorant disbelief isn't as potentially harmful as someone's ignorant belief.
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Posted 21 August 2012 - 02:54 PM

"You all a bunch of effin bumholes. You know why? You don't have the guts to be what you wanna be. You need people like me. You need people like me so you can point your effin' fingers and say, "That the bad guy." So...what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide--how to lie. Me, I don't have that problem. Me, I always tell the truth. Even when I lie. So say [good-morning] to the bad guy."

You really need some new material, you used this exact same line on me in the God thread, and if I recall correctly, you weren't too happy with the reply you got. I have no need for you, what use could I possibly have for an arrogant, antagonistic jerk who gets his jollies by being a PIA?
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Posted 21 August 2012 - 03:09 PM

Uneducated opinions are sadly far too common place, i'd agree. However, i'd argue that at least their ignorant disbelief isn't as potentially harmful as someone's ignorant belief.

Depends on the person I guess. A lot of atheists are downright disrespectful and mean to theists and whenever intolerance is preached (whether religious or atheist) the potential for harm to be done to one another increases. I think the potential is there for both sides but we see it more in religion because religion provides us with more extremes (like Islamic terrorists for example). That said I'd point out it's not the belief in God itself that is causing harm but the crazy things people get other people to do by manipulating them.

I think we should be tolerant of all beliefs unless those beliefs conflict with the well-being of another human being.
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Posted 21 August 2012 - 03:09 PM

You really need some new material, you used this exact same line on me in the God thread, and if I recall correctly, you weren't too happy with the reply you got. I have no need for you, what use could I possibly have for an arrogant, antagonistic jerk who gets his jollies by being a PIA?


Whoa...relax. It was a bit of morning facetiousness. You do realize that I was quoting a movie don't you?? Which is why I used it again. I assumed you would have clued into that fact.

Had I known you were going to throw such an immature hissy-fit I wouldn't have made a movie reference.

Get a clue, and then afterwards perhaps a sense of humour.


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Posted 21 August 2012 - 03:12 PM

Whoa...relax. It was a bit of morning facetiousness. You do realize that I was quoting a movie don't you?? Which is why I used it again. I assumed you would have clued into that fact.

Had I known you were going to throw such an immature hissy-fit I wouldn't have made a movie reference.

Get a clue, and then afterwards perhaps a sense of humour.


Plagerism? I guess next time you better reference that your post is a quote from a movie/book/whatever if you expect others to do the same.
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Posted 21 August 2012 - 03:16 PM

Depends on the person I guess. A lot of atheists are downright disrespectful and mean to theists and whenever intolerance is preached (whether religious or atheist) the potential for harm to be done to one another increases. I think the potential is there for both sides but we see it more in religion because religion provides us with more extremes (like Islamic terrorists for example). That said I'd point out it's not the belief in God itself that is causing harm but the crazy things people get other people to do by manipulating them.

I think we should be tolerant of all beliefs unless those beliefs conflict with the well-being of another human being.


Well, tell that to the persecutors of homosexuals, women, among others. Now which would you reasonably fits that description? Those who ignorance is based on dogmatic belief, or those whose ignorance accompanies non-dogmatic disbelief?

And in the case of religious...would the better word have been 'until' instead of 'unless'? We both know that for many it's just a matter of time till the conflict arises for them.
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Posted 21 August 2012 - 03:19 PM

"You all a bunch of effin bumholes. You know why? You don't have the guts to be what you wanna be. You need people like me. You need people like me so you can point your effin' fingers and say, "That the bad guy." So...what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide--how to lie. Me, I don't have that problem. Me, I always tell the truth. Even when I lie. So say [good-morning] to the bad guy."


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Posted 21 August 2012 - 03:22 PM

Well, tell that to the persecutors of homosexuals, women, among others. Now which would you reasonably fits that description? Those who ignorance is based on dogmatic belief, or those whose ignorance accompanies non-dogmatic disbelief?

And in the case of religious...would the better word have been 'until' instead of 'unless'? We both know that for many it's just a matter of time till the conflict arises for them.

You don't have to be a religious nut to be homophobic, sexist, or whatever. There are tons of people around the world who persecute these people for a variety of reasons. It just so happens that many religious fundamentalists also try and use their holy books to support their hate for these other groups and this is what garners the spot-light. It makes much more popular headlines to say "Kansas Church Calls Homo's Sinners."
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Posted 21 August 2012 - 03:26 PM

I am your God bow down to me now and I may spare your puny insignificant lives to toil in hard labor. For I am the magnanimous and malevolent Aladeen MOFOs!!!
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Posted 21 August 2012 - 03:29 PM

Plagerism? I guess next time you better reference that your post is a quote from a movie/book/whatever if you expect others to do the same.


At least I put Tony Montana dialogue in quotes, so that one would know I'm not trying to pass something as my own. Not only do you steal someone's thoughts and work, who's actually real, but then you have the temerity to accuse another, when they clearly are quoting well known dialogue from a well known fictional movie, in order for you to seek a tit-for-tat type retribution??

Bravo. The faux Christian reveals himself for what he is.
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Posted 21 August 2012 - 03:29 PM

You don't have to be a religious nut to be homophobic, sexist, or whatever. There are tons of people around the world who persecute these people for a variety of reasons. It just so happens that many religious fundamentalists also try and use their holy books to support their hate for these other groups and this is what garners the spot-light. It makes much more popular headlines to say "Kansas Church Calls Homo's Sinners."


please tell me if there was a nonreligious group of people that took 50,000 unwed mothers ,closeted them ,and when their babies were born drugged them ,in some cases for months on end until they signed adoption papers .
this is what happened in my country , and what happened to my biological mother .
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Posted 21 August 2012 - 03:32 PM

At least I put Tony Montana dialogue in quotes, so that one would know I'm not trying to pass something as my own. Not only do you steal someone's thoughts and work, who's actually real, but then you have the temerity to accuse another, when they clearly are quoting well known dialogue from a well known fictional movie, in order for you to seek a tit-for-tat type retribution??

Bravo. The faux Christian reveals himself for what he is.


Typical anti Christian response...you need to read everything you have ever posted here to yourself whilst looking in the mirror.
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Posted 21 August 2012 - 03:34 PM

You don't have to be a religious nut to be homophobic, sexist, or whatever. There are tons of people around the world who persecute these people for a variety of reasons. It just so happens that many religious fundamentalists also try and use their holy books to support their hate for these other groups and this is what garners the spot-light. It makes much more popular headlines to say "Kansas Church Calls Homo's Sinners."


Are they supporting their hate from their holy books and religious, or are they actually deriving their hate from them? I'd argue the latter.

And which other prominent reasons are you referring to?

And i'm not talking about mild sexism, I'm talking about calling someone a witch and then killing her. What other source aside from a religious one is there to commit that act?
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Posted 21 August 2012 - 03:36 PM

please tell me if there was a nonreligious group of people that took 50,000 unwed mothers ,closeted them ,and when their babies were born drugged them ,in some cases for months on end until they signed adoption papers .
this is what happened in my country , and what happened to my biological mother .


No, but there were non religious groups that raped and killed many woman and men - but this isn't a contest...this isn't a look how bad that group was or how bad another one was - humanity has been bad to itself ever since we got here.

Again, I'm sorry what happened to your mother...
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Posted 21 August 2012 - 03:36 PM

Typical anti Christian response...you need to read everything you have ever posted here to yourself whilst looking in the mirror.


Typical dancing around what was said to you in hopes that you don't have to acknowledge what you did.

Shouldn't you be more worried about your own reflection than mine?
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