Hugemanskost Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 Hjalmersson is totally overrated and Sharp is on the downside of his career at 30. Bah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Kane Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 Hjalmersson is totally overrated and Sharp is on the downside of his career at 30. Bah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Bang Boogie Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 When I see (Realistic) tags on a proposal then I know its unrealistic. That being said, I would love to have Sharp on our team and would consider doing this deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugemanskost Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 Hjalmarsson isn't worth $3.5 million, almost any Hawks fan will tell you that. I'd say Sharp is still in the prime of his career, he's good for 30 goals and he plays on both special teams units. Sharp is the ideal 2nd line centre or winger, although he may be slightly overpaid he's not going anywhere. The Hawks market the heck out of Sharp and he's a big favourite with some of the lady Blackhawks fans in Chicago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Kane Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 When I see (Realistic) tags on a proposal then I know its unrealistic. That being said, I would love to have Sharp on our team and would consider doing this deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonMexico Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 If we trade anymore of our picks, I can guarantee you our future wont be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugemanskost Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 Stop worrying about the future. This team is playing in the now. With the salary cap system, you do not need to be concerned about long term player development as much anymore. It's a hard concept to understand if you have never followed the NFL. The importance will be on 1st and 2nd round picks playing right away and poaching FAs when their contracts are up. There needs to be more emphasis in juniors to create NHL ready players. Not to mention, once teams like the Oilers find they can't re-sign everyone, then other teams will swoop in and take their young players away. I am not saying that this what is GOING to happen, but it is likely to happen if owners get their way more and more with this CBA and future ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Kane Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 Stop worrying about the future. This team is playing in the now. With the salary cap system, you do not need to be concerned about long term player development as much anymore. It's a hard concept to understand if you have never followed the NFL. The importance will be on 1st and 2nd round picks playing right away and poaching FAs when their contracts are up. There needs to be more emphasis in juniors to create NHL ready players. Not to mention, once teams like the Oilers find they can't re-sign everyone, then other teams will swoop in and take their young players away. I am not saying that this what is GOING to happen, but it is likely to happen if owners get their way more and more with this CBA and future ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanGnome Posted August 20, 2012 Author Share Posted August 20, 2012 Ha ha! I hear you on that. What would be your realistic offer for Sharp be? Please no Ballard, Edler. Luongo or Malhotra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwarrior Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 yeah, lets deal 1 of our top point producing dmen to chicago. pass!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Kane Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 I suppose the offer I postulated was a little backhanded. Edler + Hansen + Tanev + 2nd for Sharp + Hjalmarsson. That's 3 roster players and a pick (one a potential Norris candidate, albeit in the last year of a contract. Should have plenty of time to negotiate a deal) for 2 roster players. Edler is an upgrade over Hjalmarsson in nearly all aspects of the game, Tanev is a very good NHL ready young D-man and Hansen I absolutely would hate to give up but is a heart and soul guy who could offensively break out. This really is about averaging out the Canucks roster and you sometimes need to give up depth and youth to do so. My logic in thinking forward is we have Kassian and Jensen who will soon require larger roles with the team, and we presently have a glut on the 3rd line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonMexico Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 The NFL is a much different beast than the NHL. In general, NFL draftees are men in their early twenties. In the NHL, they are mostly still teens who need to develop physically before they are ready for Prime Time. I can't remember the last 2nd rounder to crack an opening day line-up in the NHL. It's rare for a first rounder to make it right away! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 Ha ha! I hear you on that. What would be your realistic offer for Sharp be? Please no Ballard, Edler. Luongo or Malhotra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Kane Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 Hmm, if we include a young guy like Tanev along with a 1st and Luongo for Sharp, would you do it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanGnome Posted August 20, 2012 Author Share Posted August 20, 2012 No, I have nothing against Luongo (I'm actually a big fan) and you're first rounder will likely be very late (almost a 2nd rounder) and Tanev has potential, but we already have a 3 solid young defenseme/prospects - Leddy, Olsen, Clendening. Keep in mind that trading Luongo isn't just about his talent, it's about the situation. If I'm Chicago's GM do I really want to trade one of my star forwards for your back-up goalie? Sure, he'd start in Chicago but I'd be adding an all-star forward to your roster without you given up much. I'd take my chances on Crawford having a bounce back season or trying to pry Bernier out of LA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Kane Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 Without giving up much? Luongo has had 5 all star appearances (would be 6 but he bailed to be with his wife who was delivering their first child), 3 Vezina nominations, 1 Jennings award (in which he shouldered the majority of the load) and has won Olympic gold. By contrast, Sharp has played in just one NHL All-star game, and was a large part of a Stanley Cup winning team, scoring at a PPG clip during the tournament. If we're simply comparing accomplishments I'd say that each player is about equal. That Stanley Cup win makes up for a lot of the achievements Luongo has garnered in his career. Let's not kid ourselves, if Chicago lost Sharp and gained Luongo, they would almost instantaneously be considered heavy favorites for not only the conference title, but also the league title and the Stanley Cup, especially if you factor in having Keith, Seabrook, Kane and Toews in front of him. I would dare say that with the burgeoning young talent on the Blackhawk roster, you would miss the departure of Sharp far less than you would enjoy the benefits of having a goaltender of Luongo's caliber between your pipes. The ONLY reason we are even having this particular discussion is we have a younger, and arguably more talented goaltender in Corey Schneider making Luongo expendable to us. Don't think for one second that diminishes the value that Luongo brings to just about every other team in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Kane Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 If we want to talk about a realistic trade between Chicago and Vancouver involving a goalie let's talk about Eddie Lack, what would yo want for him? Jeremy Morin or Brandon Pirri? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayray2112 Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 When I say "not giving up much" I'm not referring to Luongo's abilities or accomplishments. But the reality of the situation is that Luongo is now your back-up, so for 60-70 games he won't play. Which means you'd be giving up a goalie who's going to play 20 games for you in exchange for an cup winning forward who'll give you 70 games and 30 goals. The fact that Luongo wants out diminishes his trade value (trade value and actual value are different). Look at the return Columbus got for Nash, it was 3 third lines who's point totals combined to Nash's. Do you think Luongo will bring you more than Nash brought Columbus? I don't. I'm not trying to take away anything from Luongo, he's a great goalie but I'm not about to give up Toews or Sharp or Kane or Hossa or Bolland. Keep in mind that we already have 2 crazy long contracts with Keith and Hossa, I don't think the Hawks want a 3rd (before you ask I wouldn't trade Keith or Hossa either). I see your point about our young talent, but the problem with that is none of them are proven and Sharp is. Teravainen, Saad, and Morin could be top 6 guys, but maybe they're not. I'd say we'd miss Sharp greatly, Q leans on Sharp/Hossa/Toews/Kane a lot (too much some might say), just look at what happened after we lost Hossa in the playoffs last year. If Gillis wants to get a top return for Luongo he'll have to trade him to the East, and Florida makes the most sense. I think Gillis would be hesitant to deal with Chicago anyway. Can you imagine the two teams meeting in the playoffs with Chicago and Luongo winning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Kane Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 So you're comparing luongo to Nash? One is an all star goalie while the other one can't hit 70 points and has a cap hit of 7.3 or something? Luongo can single handedly win games and we don't have to trade him if the price isn't right. PS. Don't worry, we don't want Keith lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayray2112 Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 I find it funny how some Canucks fans praise Luongo on one hand, then talk about trading him with the other. If Luongo is so great then keep him and deal Schneider. I can guarantee you'll get more for Schneider than Luongo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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