Ryan Suter Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 Edmonton is going to be scary for years to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklax Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 Clearly how? Anyways, there's a good conversation about this taking place on the Oilers board, if you care to read as an outsider. http://fans.oilers.n...in/page__st__50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Garrison Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 How many times has Hall been injured? Ouch 6 million and Eberle is going to get more for sure. JG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 Let's say contracts are limited to 5 years (there's no way the players go lower). Hall plays out his ELC - signs a 2 year deal at 5.5 per (Taveres$$). When that contract is over Hall is still an RFA. He can then sign a max deal of 5 years and 7 per (or whatever market value is at that time). Tallying that up Hall got a 7 years and 46 million. Not far off the mark, but if he continues to have injury trouble Edmonton has the flexibility to save some money and get out of a bad contract. I disagree about injuries. You don't see many GM's throwing tons of cash at guys that struggle with them. While Hall's have been freak injuries - you can't dismiss them. I can see if Hall was a pending UFA, but they have time to wait and see. I also don't see many young stars that have injury troubles getting huge deals. (Don't give Crosby as an example - that is an entirely different contract) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Garrison Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 I hear he separated his shoulder signing the contract... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklax Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 And Tyler Myers has a 7 year $5.5m per deal. Is he worth more to BUF than Hall is to EDM? Again, EDM made the right move by locking up their future captain early. Make your corps happy while you can afford to, if you want to bring it up later at the negotiating table. Pay now, so you can ask for a discount later. That's good GM'ing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Garrison Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 $6 million per year as per Bobby Mck... Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie Taylor Hall's agent Paul Krepelka has concluded negotiations with EDM on a 7-year extension that will pay Hall $6M per year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonny_Bohonos_14 Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 Why would he agree to a 2 year extension after playing out his 3 year ELC? What good would that do him? Teams sign players longer to bring the AAV down over the course of the contract. Having shorter contracts could spell bigger AAV's for teams living in a cap world. And Tyler Myers has a 7 year $5.5m per deal. Is he worth more to BUF than Hall is to EDM? Again, EDM made the right move by locking up their future captain early. Make your corps happy while you can afford to, if you want to bring it up later at the negotiating table. Pay now, so you can ask for a discount later. That's good GM'ing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 Yes myers is worth more to Buf. He's the future and the present of their blueline, 6'7" mobile offensive defensemen don't come around often. Hall is an injury prone winger on a team stocked with offensive wingers in eberle, yak and hall. Future captain is highly debateable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklax Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 Is Hall not 'the future and present' of their forward corps?? Do quick, physical, mega-talented wingers come by the bushel full every year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 Teams sign long deals to bring the cap down when the deal declines in value. Hall's will likely increase in value - somewhere along the lines of 4,5,6,6,6,7,8. So the length really doesn't do anything. Infact a shorter deal likely would mean a low cap hit for the oilers - however that isn't a issue right now. Honestly - yes. Myers is worth more to buffalo than hall to Edmonton. If Myers goes down buffalos defense suffers. If hall goes down, Edmonton still has eberle, rnh, and now yakupov. Matt Duchene just signed a 2 year deal worth 3.5 per after a year where he missed a lot o time due to injury. Do you think he's offended? He's a huge part of colorado's future. Why overpay now to hope they will take a discount later? That's not good gming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 considering they've gotten 3 "mega talented" forwards in the past 3 years, sure looks to me like edmonton knows a way to get them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklax Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 How many of those are Left-Wingers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 That's the point you're stuck on? that's his value to the team, more so than other better players is that he plays the opposite wing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Mind Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 At his rate, the Oilers will have almost 30 M tied up in Hall, Eberle, RNH, and Yakupov. Considering how weak their D is, and that they might need a new goalie, one of those guys will have to be traded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bossram Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 Not a terrible contract and its basically in line with what we've seen from star players coming off ELCs (adjusting for cap inflation). I'm surprised its over Skinner's 5.75 but at 6 million, I could easily see Hall being a 40-40 player and at that rate it'll be a bargain. The big question is whether or not he'll stay healthy enough to reach those totals. Hall plays recklessly with his head down and like s to get stuck in the rough areas. I don't know whether or not he'll be healthy enough to reach those big goal totals, but if he is, he'll definitely be worth it. Eberle will likely want more than Hall for scoring more. I can see him at 6.25. With RNH's skillset, I see him being a 100 point player in the future and I think he'll top 90 points in the next two seasons. That'd put him at 6.5 million+ long term. I don't think Yakupov will be as good as the other three, but still top 6 million. Hall - 6 million Eberle - 6.25 million RNH - 6.5+ million Yakupov - 6+ million Benn is likely looking at 6+ million for his contract. And Seguin is probably shooting for almost 7 million at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklax Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 Can those others play left-wing as well as Hall? And I think you're the one stuck now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonny_Bohonos_14 Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 Dbl post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonny_Bohonos_14 Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 How does a shorter length contract produce a smaller caphit?? What kind of an agent would allow a team to sign his client to a shorter cheaper contract when you're talking about a 1st overall and 1st line player? Myers scored 8 goals last year and only played 55 games due to injury. How is that more valuable to BUF than Hall's 19 more goals in 6 more games, for EDM? How is it overpayment? Do you think if Hall became available to the market he'd get less than $6m and less than 7 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 Clearly how? Anyways, there's a good conversation about this taking place on the Oilers board, if you care to read as an outsider. http://fans.oilers.n...in/page__st__50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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