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AP Exclusive: Lance Armstrong Won't Fight USADA Charges - could lose all TDF titles


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#31 The Situation

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 07:38 PM

The evidence they have is testimony from other riders, but if he was using drugs, why didn't they show up on the hundreds of drug tests he took?


Masking agents.
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Posted 25 August 2012 - 08:39 PM

Masking agents.


Wouldn't the masking agents show up, then?
Speaking as a unitiated member of the public, it seems ridiculous that with no corporeal evidence that Lance had taken drugs (indeed, with hundreds of tests arguing towards the contrary) they can call him guilty.
Innocent until proven guilty doesn't apply?
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#33 The Situation

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 08:50 PM

Wouldn't the masking agents show up, then?
Speaking as a unitiated member of the public, it seems ridiculous that with no corporeal evidence that Lance had taken drugs (indeed, with hundreds of tests arguing towards the contrary) they can call him guilty.
Innocent until proven guilty doesn't apply?


No, if the masking agents worked, they would have masked the drugs he used and the tests would come up clean.

The presumption of innocence applies to criminal trials. Lance Armstrong is not facing a criminal trial though. If he continued his fight, he would have to gone on the record to say that he didn't use PEDs. He probably knew it would have been bold faced lie which could lead to perjury charges.

Eyewitness evidence is not good enough for you?

Edited by The Situation, 25 August 2012 - 08:53 PM.

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 10:31 AM

Shouldn't eye witness testimony be reserved for situations where it's the best-case scenario though? It's not considered to be an iron-clad form of evidence because humans are easily tampered with, and let's be honest, sometimes very weak morally. If we lived in a world where there was no way to measure whether or not Lance doped, like where the only true way of settling it was eye-witness testimony, than it would have more value. By having rigidly enforced rules relating to blood/urine sampling at various intervals, you've set your expectation for acquiring proof. Since burden of proof is on the accuser, USADA should be using the same units to measure innocence across the board.

He probably did it, at some point. All that being said, the guys who stands to inherit, on paper, the Tour De France titles each of those 7 years he'll vacate it, will not be going through a witch hunt to determine whether or not they placed 2nd only as a result of PEDs and masking agents. Because it's infinitely more important to the USADA to make sure that everyone knows that, no matter how hard you work, you could never be that good without drugs. It's more important to make Armstrong look human than anything.

Edited by Coleman26, 26 August 2012 - 10:36 AM.

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 12:30 PM

He really dropped the ball.
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Posted 10 October 2012 - 11:35 PM

Today the US anti-doping agency released its report. It is more than 1000 page long and has 26 witnesses saying Armstrong was doping and in fact he pressured others to dope.

http://www.news.com....9-1226493812677

So ALL 26 witnesses are lying and everything in the report is false?

Is it time he comes clean?
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Posted 11 October 2012 - 10:18 PM

What a d bag I looked up to that guy as a kid. I got to meet him in a cancer fundraiser because my dad died of cancer. Frack you Lance.
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Posted 14 October 2012 - 12:56 AM

really pissed that someone i admired is just a cheat .
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Posted 14 October 2012 - 01:06 AM

really pissed that someone i admired is just a cheat .


Can you really blame him considering all the money he has pumped into cancer research as a result?
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Posted 14 October 2012 - 05:12 AM

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 04:38 AM

Can you really blame him considering all the money he has pumped into cancer research as a result?


While i applaud his charity work , that has no bearing on the fact that he cheated , and has helped bring a sport that millions love into disrepute.
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Posted 17 October 2012 - 07:36 AM

Can you really blame him considering all the money he has pumped into cancer research as a result?


So cheating's ok as long as you make donations? Good to know.

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 08:40 AM

Can you really blame him considering all the money he has pumped into cancer research as a result?


There's something wrong with what you've stated. Are you saying that he's OK, because of his charitable accolades? I would say most of his brand is now corrupt, because of this scandal. Using a charity, and cheating is wrong. If, say for example, he never came close to winning one, let alone seven Tours, would his name ever raise a fraction of that money? Not likely.
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Posted 17 October 2012 - 02:38 PM

So cheating's ok as long as you make donations? Good to know.


I didn't say that. I simply asked a question as I struggle to villify him considering how many people he has helped and how much money he(and his brand) has raised for cancer. At least he has used his fame(now infamy) to do some good, no?

There's something wrong with what you've stated. Are you saying that he's OK, because of his charitable accolades? I would say most of his brand is now corrupt, because of this scandal. Using a charity, and cheating is wrong. If, say for example, he never came close to winning one, let alone seven Tours, would his name ever raise a fraction of that money? Not likely.


He cheated and for that he should be stripped of his titles and his legacy as a cyclist will forever be tarnished, rightly so. But, in my opinion, that does not tarnish the work he has put in to a very worthy cause.

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 01:03 AM

I didn't say that. I simply asked a question as I struggle to villify him considering how many people he has helped and how much money he(and his brand) has raised for cancer. At least he has used his fame(now infamy) to do some good, no?


He cheated and for that he should be stripped of his titles and his legacy as a cyclist will forever be tarnished, rightly so. But, in my opinion, that does not tarnish the work he has put in to a very worthy cause.


got to love some people who will let all evils pass by, so long as the individual is helping charity on the side.

lance armstrong is a fraud who used his charity as a way to keep a squeeky clean image so no one would suspect the MASSIVE doping conspiracy he was involved in.

he has forever destroyed the sport of cycling, destroyed the hopes of future cyclists hoping to make it, ruined the careers of teamates, cheated legit cyclists who were robbed of a chance to fulfill their dreams...

why is it all about lance? why should it be ok that so many people, and an entire sport got screwed; just because the person responsible built up a good image through his on the side charity work?

also, the fact that in light of all this he still refuses to confess/apologize has really showed his true character
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Posted 18 October 2012 - 01:44 AM

Where there's smoke, there's usually fire.

Lance is in huge trouble and his reputation is now tarnished regardless if he's proven to be innocent.
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Posted 18 October 2012 - 12:48 PM

got to love some people who will let all evils pass by, so long as the individual is helping charity on the side.


Please, tell me where I said that. You can't honestly be that dense. I said, at least he used his fame to do some good....which does not equal "let all his evils pass by." Use your head, buddy.
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Posted 22 October 2012 - 07:36 PM

Looks like it's becoming reality that Lance is losing all the accolades garnered during his career... what a shame that he had to be caught cheating :picard:

Sure hope Phelps and Bolt didn't cheat in their sports
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Posted 22 October 2012 - 08:30 PM

Looks like it's becoming reality that Lance is losing all the accolades garnered during his career... what a shame that he had to be caught cheating :picard:

Sure hope Phelps and Bolt didn't cheat in their sports




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