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#31 thehamburglar

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Posted 24 August 2012 - 06:10 PM

I'll miss him if hes gone. I hope we keep him, Florida will be good with him.
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 06:12 PM

I read an article comparing stats of Lou VS Theodore ans Clemmenson with Marchison waiting in the wings. Lou gives them 1/8 of a goal per game over the tandem. How much do you think Florida is going to pay for that tiny improvement? Not that bushel full Canuck fans are hoping for !!!


Read that article on NHL.com as well. It's an interesting argument, so I'll do my best to rebutal. I don't know much about the style of play that Florida employed last season, but if you look at their goals per game, they ranked 27th in the league at 2.40. It stands to reason that they would have played a lot of trap and/or a very conservative system. Yes, they still average 30 shots against per game, but with what I imagine was a low-risk style of play, it's possible that a lower-than-average proportion of those shots were odd-man rushes/breakaways/etc. The implication is that Theodore and Clemmensen's save percentage might have been inflated for that reason. I could be completely wrong, but that's my semi-informed take.
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 06:13 PM

Luo doesnt even have as good of a record as kipper kipper is the only one with a win % above .500 cujo had a team in edmonton like they do now but he actually got them into the playoffs and was the biggest part of them knocking off the top seeds. hextall is one of the only 2 goalies to lose in the finals and win the conn smyth.. luongo small part of the best team in the league in the last 2 years and has never raised his game in the playoffs...


72 saves in his first playoff game says hi.
Great save of Patrick Sharp in Game 7 OT.
2 shutouts in the Stanley Cup Finals last year says hi.

Do I need to go on?
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 06:21 PM

Another blind hater that only looks at the bad and not the good. Well here's his stats for 2010-11 bud

Record: 38-15-7
GAA: 2.11
SV%: .928

That's good for top 3 in the league in all categories.


And I'm pretty sure he was #1 that year in blown shutouts and 4+ goal playoff losses.
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 06:27 PM

72 saves in his first playoff game says hi.
Great save of Patrick Sharp in Game 7 OT.
2 shutouts in the Stanley Cup Finals last year says hi.

Do I need to go on?


Please dont go on.
- 2007, a distant memory
- There would be no Game 7 without the game 4 and 5 implosions
- 20 goals against in the other 5 games say hi
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 06:51 PM

Another blind hater that only looks at the bad and not the good. Well here's his stats for 2010-11 bud

Record: 38-15-7
GAA: 2.11
SV%: .928

That's good for top 3 in the league in all categories.

I agree that he had a great year in 2010 but since then has reverted back to old habits and not followed what made him successful. He was 14th and 16th 2011-12. not a hater just a realist
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 06:54 PM

Read that article on NHL.com as well. It's an interesting argument, so I'll do my best to rebutal. I don't know much about the style of play that Florida employed last season, but if you look at their goals per game, they ranked 27th in the league at 2.40. It stands to reason that they would have played a lot of trap and/or a very conservative system. Yes, they still average 30 shots against per game, but with what I imagine was a low-risk style of play, it's possible that a lower-than-average proportion of those shots were odd-man rushes/breakaways/etc. The implication is that Theodore and Clemmensen's save percentage might have been inflated for that reason. I could be completely wrong, but that's my semi-informed take.

Read that article on NHL.com as well. It's an interesting argument, so I'll do my best to rebutal. I don't know much about the style of play that Florida employed last season, but if you look at their goals per game, they ranked 27th in the league at 2.40. It stands to reason that they would have played a lot of trap and/or a very conservative system. Yes, they still average 30 shots against per game, but with what I imagine was a low-risk style of play, it's possible that a lower-than-average proportion of those shots were odd-man rushes/breakaways/etc. The implication is that Theodore and Clemmensen's save percentage might have been inflated for that reason. I could be completely wrong, but that's my semi-informed take.

well theres not much statistical facts in the words ...I imagine and possibly...so not much basis to believe what you imply.
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 06:58 PM

2 Vezina nominations in Vancouver -record wins for the franchise.
I agree that he carried the Canucks in his first 3 years here.
In year 1 he did, and he was helped a lot by our defense.
In year 2 he was very good but the league was exceptionally tight -checking the stats.
In year 3 he was very good.
Forgive me but I helped your memory lapses,Riviera.


Riviera,in NHL hockey (and especially NHL playoff hockey) the goalie and the defence COMBINED have won many cups.
Do you think Thomas wins the cup without the healthy Chara,Boychuk,McQuaid and Seidenberg?

Vancouver only had Salo and the rookie Tanev that were not playing hurt (Bieksa,Edler,Ehrhoff,Alberts) ,out with injuries(Hamhuis) or suspended (Rome) in the Finals.

Luo has had an exceptional career carrying the Canucks.Mikey the GM was an NHL forward so he has yet to learn how important D and a #1 goalie are to winning it all.Mike is whistling dixie putting in a goalie with no more than one playoff win and 34 games played in the regular season in net with the window closing.

Mike better get a #1 d man if he trades Luo cuz Cory is going to need a lot more help than Luo had at times.
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 07:00 PM

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i'm going to go with the latter
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 07:03 PM

I agree that he had a great year in 2010 but since then has reverted back to old habits and not followed what made him successful. He was 14th and 16th 2011-12. not a hater just a realist


But also in 2011-2012 if your GAA was above 2 then you were outside the top 5 which is an absolutely ridiculous number for an entire season to average less than 2 goals a game, the fact that 5 guys did that is amazing. No goale in 2010-2011 had a GAA less than 2, last year was just nuts

Edited by TowelPower12, 24 August 2012 - 07:04 PM.

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#41 nuck nit

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Posted 24 August 2012 - 07:09 PM

I agree that he had a great year in 2010.
He was 14th and 16th 2011-12. not a hater just a realist


Yes,losing Ehrhoff was a major bonehead move by MG.Not hating,just being realistic.
Can't win many games when you don't have a PP specialist on the blue line.
It is the age old story,team (Canucks) get PP chance but fail,opposition then scores.
Ballard was barely given a chance and Tanev can't score for the life of himself.
Teams that can't dominate the PP lose a lot of regular season games.
Maybe Mike will clue in this year and help his goalie and team out?
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 08:09 PM

Please dont go on.
- 2007, a distant memory
- There would be no Game 7 without the game 4 and 5 implosions
- 20 goals against in the other 5 games say hi


- Is 94 a distant memory? Is 2003 a distant memory? 5 years from now, will 2011 be a distant memory?
- LOL. There wouldn't even be a game 5/6 without Luongo's performance in games 1, and 2. There wouldn't be a game 7 without Luongo's performance in game 6.
- Agree. But only 6 goals in those 5 games says hi.

Edited by soshified, 24 August 2012 - 08:10 PM.

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Posted 24 August 2012 - 08:15 PM

With Schneider

2013-2014-First in Division,Conference and League. Stanley Cup.
2012-2013-Lockout


Or...

With Schneider

2012-2013 - Lockout
2013-2014 - Miss the playoffs, 9th in the conference, get a bad pick too.


No one knows what will happen if Schneider is our starter, it is a big gamble. Meanwhile, we have a guaranteed 30-win goalie in Luongo and we're trying to get rid of him. Makes no sense. What do people expect happen, Schneider to put up 40 or 45 wins? That's not happening.
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 08:41 PM

Please dont go on.
- 2007, a distant memory
- There would be no Game 7 without the game 4 and 5 implosions
- 20 goals against in the other 5 games say hi

HAHAHAHAHAHAH....Did you honestly think the final against Boston was only going to go 4-5 games......BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Out of all the blind hatred you spew towards Luongo, this by far is the stupidest thing I've ever seen you type.
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 08:54 PM

Or...

With Schneider

2012-2013 - Lockout
2013-2014 - Miss the playoffs, 9th in the conference, get a bad pick too.


No one knows what will happen if Schneider is our starter, it is a big gamble. Meanwhile, we have a guaranteed 30-win goalie in Luongo and we're trying to get rid of him. Makes no sense. What do people expect happen, Schneider to put up 40 or 45 wins? That's not happening.

Or...

With Schneider

2012-2013 - Lockout
2013-2014 - Miss the playoffs, 9th in the conference, get a bad pick too.


No one knows what will happen if Schneider is our starter, it is a big gamble. Meanwhile, we have a guaranteed 30-win goalie in Luongo and we're trying to get rid of him. Makes no sense. What do people expect happen, Schneider to put up 40 or 45 wins? That's not happening.

You say no one knows...but in the next sentence...its not going to happen? Schneids can win 30 on technical ability alone...but thats beyond you.
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 08:56 PM

HAHAHAHAHAHAH....Did you honestly think the final against Boston was only going to go 4-5 games......BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Out of all the blind hatred you spew towards Luongo, this by far is the stupidest thing I've ever seen you type.


um,,I guess reading comprehension is not your strong suit. The game 4-5 implosion they were talking about was the Chicago series was in rebuttal to why Lu's save on Sharp could/should have never happened if Lu did not meltdown for the 3rd year in a row vs the Hawks
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 09:44 PM

um,,I guess reading comprehension is not your strong suit. The game 4-5 implosion they were talking about was the Chicago series was in rebuttal to why Lu's save on Sharp could/should have never happened if Lu did not meltdown for the 3rd year in a row vs the Hawks


Hockey is a team game,managed and coached to victory and/or defeat.
Lou made that save and the team gets credit,just as in when they 'melt down' the team is at fault-including coaches and the mgmt..
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 10:10 PM

Hockey is a team game,managed and coached to victory and/or defeat.
Lou made that save and the team gets credit,just as in when they 'melt down' the team is at fault-including coaches and the mgmt..

Then this statement you made is crap,
"Luo has had an exceptIonal career carrying the Canucks.Mikey the GM was an NHL forward so he has yet to learn how important D and a #1 goalie are to winning it all.Mike is whistling dixie putting in a goalie with no more than one playoff win and 34 games played in the regular season in net with the window closing."
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 10:14 PM

I hope Louie does win a cup..............but i doubt it.
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"I would love for (the Canucks) to win the Stanley Cup because that would put to bed all the talk about 1994", he says facetiously".
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 10:16 PM

Then this statement you made is crap,
"Luo has had an exceptIonal career carrying the Canucks.Mikey the GM was an NHL forward so he has yet to learn how important D and a #1 goalie are to winning it all.Mike is whistling dixie putting in a goalie with no more than one playoff win and 34 games played in the regular season in net with the window closing."


Relax, Cory will be fine.
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 10:27 PM

Or...

With Schneider

2012-2013 - Lockout
2013-2014 - Miss the playoffs, 9th in the conference, get a bad pick too.


No one knows what will happen if Schneider is our starter, it is a big gamble. Meanwhile, we have a guaranteed 30-win goalie in Luongo and we're trying to get rid of him. Makes no sense. What do people expect happen, Schneider to put up 40 or 45 wins? That's not happening.


I had to laugh.
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 10:28 PM

Then this statement you made is crap,
"Luo has had an exceptIonal career carrying the Canucks.Mikey the GM was an NHL forward so he has yet to learn how important D and a #1 goalie are to winning it all.Mike is whistling dixie putting in a goalie with no more than one playoff win and 34 games played in the regular season in net with the window closing."


Here is a challenge for you nuck nit. It was you who said the quoted portion.
You say relying on a goalie with as little experience as Cory is whistling pixie dustt . There at least 4 goalies who have won Cups with less experience than Cory since the Canucks have been in the NHL. Roy, Ward, Dryden all had less experience and were Conn Smythe winners and Stanley Cup Champions, Niemi also had less experience when he won a cup.
Not winning year after year adds pressure and makes it more difficult, especially for a goalie. Find me 1 goalie who was the starter who won their 1st cup with as much experience as Lu and his 727 games.

Edited by Get real canuck fans, 24 August 2012 - 10:29 PM.

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Posted 24 August 2012 - 10:33 PM

Aren't most Luongo haters the ones who jumped on the bandwagon after 06-07? The Canucks were going no where before Nonis pulled off that steal of a deal to land Luongo in a Canucks jersey (Naslund aging, Sedins before they were Art Ross winners). I remember when 06-07 was going to be a rebuilding season and 08-09 as well after Gillis came on board. Since then we have seen 2 second round appearances and one Stanley Cup final. I'll take Luongo any day of the week thank you very much. That being said I also like Schneider so it's gonna be a sad day when one of them goes.
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 10:40 PM

Then this statement you made is crap,
"Luo has had an exceptIonal career carrying the Canucks.Mikey the GM was an NHL forward so he has yet to learn how important D and a #1 goalie are to winning it all.Mike is whistling dixie putting in a goalie with no more than one playoff win and 34 games played in the regular season in net with the window closing."

and you think MG made the decision all by himself? The Coaching team assisted in that choice in opting for Schneider.....they have a rink load more experience than you do !! Trust them !
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 10:42 PM

I had to laugh.


are you laughing at him saying Luongo is a guaranteed 30 game winner? if so I think you need to check his stats since he's been here

he's averaged 37 wins a year since he;s been here
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 11:06 PM

if florida wins the cup with him... :mad:


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Posted 24 August 2012 - 11:28 PM

luongo small part of the best team in the league in the last 2 years and has never raised his game in the playoffs...


Neither has the team in front of him really.
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Posted 25 August 2012 - 12:00 AM

are you laughing at him saying Luongo is a guaranteed 30 game winner? if so I think you need to check his stats since he's been here

he's averaged 37 wins a year since he;s been here


what he's laughing at is the notion that Schneider wouldn't be able to win 30 games or isn't a guaranteed 30 game winner as well, which I do agree with. I ultimately fully agree with Pahlsson's latest post.

And to the dumbass that gives Luongo a harsh time for the games 4 and 5 suck from Luongo, what the hell was the rest of our team doing in those games? Go watch the chances in those games (and the reffing - I know it sucked balls in at least one of those games if not both) for the Canucks and the chances for Chicago. There's your answer.
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Posted 25 August 2012 - 12:06 AM

I read an article comparing stats of Lou VS Theodore ans Clemmenson with Marchison waiting in the wings. Lou gives them 1/8 of a goal per game over the tandem. How much do you think Florida is going to pay for that tiny improvement? Not that bushel full Canuck fans are hoping for !!!


Just because NHL.com said it, it must be true! :rolleyes:

This is a great example of why stats aren't everything.
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Posted 25 August 2012 - 12:10 AM

I really want Luongo off of that list!
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