Obama vs Romney 2012 - CDC Election

[Tearloch7]

Alan West: http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/02/16/417174/allen-west-15-worst-quotes/?mobile=nc

Sarah Palin: http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/sarahpalin/a/palin-top-10.htm

You just cannot write this stuff or make it up .. its takes a special kind of "ignorance" to think this way .. so who came second in the Ms Alaska pageant .. a caribou? .. or a harp seal? ..

[Pouria]

If the argument now is going to be, who can write and pass a budget, you're going to lose by default because we all the Democrats are incapable of doing that.

[nux4lyfe]

All current US presidents are the same and won't make any changes or significant changes that matter. Whether Democratic or Republican or Obama or Romney. You think Romney is going to come in there and completely change the budget and reduce deficit. You must be living in a fantasy world.

[thedestroyerofworlds]

http://www.huffingto..._n_1908129.html

Mitt Romney, On 60 Minutes, Cites Emergency Room As Health Care Option For Uninsured

Posted: 09/23/2012 10:12 pm EDT Updated: 09/23/2012 10:47 pm EDT

Mitt Romney (Mandel Ngan/AFP/GettyImages)

WASHINGTON -- Downplaying the need for the government to ensure that every person has health insurance, Mitt Romney on Sunday suggested that emergency room care suffices as a substitute for the uninsured.

"Well, we do provide care for people who don't have insurance," he said in an interview with Scott Pelley of CBS's "60 Minutes" that aired Sunday night. "If someone has a heart attack, they don't sit in their apartment and die. We pick them up in an ambulance, and take them to the hospital, and give them care. And different states have different ways of providing for that care."

This constitutes a dramatic reversal in position for Romney, who passed a universal health care law in Massachusetts, in part, to eliminate the costs incurred when the uninsured show up in emergency rooms for care. Indeed, in both his book and in high-profile interviews during the campaign, Romney has touted his achievement in stamping out these inefficiencies while arguing that the same thing should be done at the national level.

And while Romney refused to agree on Sunday that the government's role is to ensure that every American has health care, he has endorsed such an idea in the past.

When asked in a March 2010 interview on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" whether he believes in universal coverage, Romney said, "Oh, sure."

"Look, it doesn't make a lot of sense for us to have millions and millions of people who have no health insurance and yet who can go to the emergency room and get entirely free care for which they have no responsibility, particularly if they are people who have sufficient means to pay their own way," he said.

Watch Romney on "Morning Joe" in 2010:

And in a 2007 interview with Glenn Beck, Romney called the fact that people without insurance were able to get "free care" in emergency rooms "a form of socialism."

"When they show up at the hospital, they get care. They get free care paid for by you and me. If that's not a form of socialism, I don't know what is," he said at the time. "So my plan did something quite different. It said, you know what? If people can afford to buy insurance ... or if they can pay their own way, then they either buy that insurance or pay their own way, but they no longer look to government to hand out free care. And that, in my opinion, is ultimate conservativism."

Getting rid of high numbers of inefficient emergency room visits was actually a key goal of Romney's health care reform in Massachusetts, as he noted in his book "No Apology":

After about a year of looking at data -- and not making much progress -- we had a collective epiphany of sorts, an obvious one, as important observations often are: the people in Massachusetts who didn't have health insurance were, in fact, already receiving health care. Under federal law, hospitals had to stabilize and treat people who arrived at their emergency rooms with acute conditions. And our state's hospitals were offering even more assistance than the federal government required. That meant that someone was already paying for the cost of treating people who didn't have health insurance. If we could get our hands on that money, and therefore redirect it to help the uninsured

buy

insurance instead and obtain treatment in the way that the vast majority of individuals did -- before acute conditions developed -- the cost of insuring everyone in the state might not be as expensive as I had feared.

In the "60 Minutes" interview, Romney stressed that each state should address the problem of the uninsured through different means. But he didn't speak with the same alarm about the cost of emergency room care.

"Again, different states have different ways of doing that," Romney responded. "Some provide that care through clinics. Some provide the care through emergency rooms. In my state, we found a solution that worked for my state. But I wouldn't take what we did in Massachusetts and say to Texas, 'You've got to take the Massachusetts model.'"

Romney's efforts to limit emergency room care in Massachusetts were largely successful.

Six years after he signed health reform into law, visits to emergency rooms in Massachusetts are decreasing and the state has the highest rate of residents with health insurance.

Dr. Somava Stout, who helps oversee primary care for the Cambridge Health Alliance, told CBS in June, "You have people who before would get their diabetic care in the emergency room who instead are coming into primary care, taking care of their diabetes, not ending up hospitalized every three or every four months. I mean it's a huge difference."

[Sharpshooter]

Solid 'hit 'em where it hurts' ad.

[Heretic]

I didn't want a new thread, and this is "election" based - saying Christians promote hate - really? What is this billboard doing? Spreading love? And they call Christians hypocrites....

[Sharpshooter]

I didn't want a new thread, and this is "election" based - saying Christians promote hate - really? What is this billboard doing? Spreading love? And they call Christians hypocrites....

[Heretic]

Wtf does that have to do with the U.S. Presidential election??

Both candidates confirm themselves as Christians, even if one wears magical underwear.

[Ossi Vaananen]

I didn't want a new thread, and this is "election" based - saying Christians promote hate - really? What is this billboard doing? Spreading love? And they call Christians hypocrites....

[Heretic]

Wrong thread. It is the small mindedness of the Christian right that promotes hate, towards gays, those of other religions and rape victims who want to abort. I believe it was not too long ago that it took a gay priest to convince you that homosexuals are people too, revolutionary! Religion is the poison which aims to segregate communities and force values upon others. Religion is fine as a form of moral code, ones morals are generally to be kept to themselves - I suggest you do so. Maybe at your next rapture meeting you can throw up that billboard and add atheists to a growing number of enemies of the christian right.

In terms of the election, both candidates are Christian but what is worth noting is that neither are the typical WASPs (White Anglo Saxon Protestant) I'd say even America is progressing.

[Sharpshooter]

http://madmikesameri...itical-parties/

Edit: Love these quotes on CNN:

Some religious leaders said the billboards showed a misunderstanding of how faith works.

"That billboard makes the most common high-school error when it comes to atheism," wrote the Rev. James Martin, a Jesuit priest and author, in an e-mail to CNN. "It's not arguing against the existence of God, but against religion. The American Atheists need to go back to school on this one."

Martin also questioned the language used on the billboard: "And as for 'promoting hate' they're doing a bang-up job themselves with that billboard."

Terryl Givens, a Mormon professor at the University of Richmond, called American Atheists "petty and vindictive."

“If this example of adolescent silliness is what atheists mean by being reasonable, then neither Mormons nor other Christians have much to worry about," he said of the billboards. "When atheists organize to serve the poor and needy of the world, they will be taken more seriously."

[Ossi Vaananen]

Wrong again - right thread - these are billboards put up specifically to target presidential candidates during the campaign.

As far as the rest of what you said - simply hate and hypocrisy.

[Heretic]

You're really just embarrassing yourself. You're acting as if religion has somehow enlightened you, irony in and of itself. Then you go on to insinuate that atheism, is promoting hatred - but not hatred towards a group but hate as broadly defined. Need I remind you of the Christian platform towards Muslims, Hindus, gays, atheists, and rape victims. Somehow atheists are the villains for being the only group to really fight back.

Once again trying to bring this back to the correct topic of the thread, does anyone think the democrats platform on Jerusalem may in part affect some of the riots on going?

[Sharpshooter]

Atheism doesn't promote hatred anymore than Christianity - it's those that misuse those for their own agendas that do.

AA is promoting hatred the same way as those right wing Christians you talk about holding up "God hates ____" signs.

You're the one embarrassing and resorting to personal attacks ("bible banger" is what you called me).

Edit: if this is in the wrong thread then leave it to the Mods to tell me and/or move it - this thread is about Obama vs Romney and I just posted that AA is attacking both of them.

[Heretic]

They're moreso 'attacking' if you can even call it that, the supernatural beliefs of both men, and their party's platform...something which should absolutely be left out of secular governing and its policies...aka politics.

[Sharpshooter]

Exactly - so why would they want to bring it up?

Secular anything is fine - and yes, religion should stay out of politics.

Matthew 22:17-21

Tell us, then, what you think. Is it lawful to pay taxes to Caesar, or not?” But Jesus, aware of their malice, said, “Why put me to the test, you hypocrites? Show me the coin for the tax.” And they brought him a denarius. And Jesus said to them, “Whose likeness and inscription is this?” They said, “Caesar's.” Then he said to them, “Therefore render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.”

Using secularism to attack people's beliefs is no different than those with beliefs using them to attack others.

[Sharpshooter]

Romney Wonders: Why Don't Airplane Windows Roll Down?

Making post-fundraiser comments this weekend, presidential candidate Mitt Romney revealed a tenuous grip on the science of aviation, despite the fact that he and his wife, Ann, have been flying around the country this summer on the campaign trail.

After his wife's plane was forced to make an emergency landing this weekend, Romney told the Los Angeles Times, he was worried for her safety. The candidate then continued on a bizarre tangent that showed just how little the Republican nominee understands about flight.

“I appreciate the fact that she is on the ground, safe and sound. And I don’t think she knows just how worried some of us were,” Romney told the paper. “When you have a fire in an aircraft, there’s no place to go, exactly."

Romney said the biggest problem in a distressed aircraft is that "the windows don’t open. I don’t know why they don’t do that. It’s a real problem. So it’s very dangerous."

The main reason airplane windows don't open is because there isn't enough oxygen at cruising altitude to keep passengers alive. (The fear of window or cabin failures, which would lead to potentially fatal hypoxia, is why many planes are equipped with emergency oxygen masks.)

"You can’t find any oxygen from outside the aircraft to get in the aircraft, because the windows don’t open," Romney told the Times, suggesting that additional oxygen in the cabin during the electrical malfunction could've alleviated the problem. In fact, if there were an electrical fire on board, additional oxygen would have fed the flames.

Strangely, Romney seemed to acknowledge the importance of oxygen later in his comments. "Fortunately, there was enough oxygen for the pilot and copilot to make a safe landing in Denver," he said.

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It's like he's the Ken doll to Palin's Caribou Barbie.

[Fathoms]

Do you vote ?

[RUPERTKBD]

^^^^This (Sharpie's post) brings to mind one of my favorite lines by a comedian: "You have to be a special kind of stupid...."

[Jester@wraiths.ca]

Uh, someone would be justified saying they'd prefer Weber in that type of discussion too.. this is a discussion board not basic training. Try and relax, corporal.