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Obama vs Romney 2012 - CDC Election

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  1. 1. Who would you vote for?

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Defaulting does not mean a dime is not spent, it means spending within what you have as far as funds go. A good way of analogising that is spending within your chequeing account and not your credit account. How is this a bad thing given the importance of not endlessly accruing debt and defaulting that way? This seems just a game of perpetuated borrowing until no one gives them the credit anymore, then they'll default anyways.. by then interest payments will be so high a much larger recession than needed to be will result. This is ridiculous. While I doubt the tea party and other people protesting the ceiling had much an idea what they were protesting, it still was a better idea than this.

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Republican 'rape caucus' suffers heavy losses

Rachel Maddow reviews the litany of Republicans who made the mistake of expressing their offensive ignorance about rape and/or women's bodies out loud in public and notes that the American voting public rejected them at the ballot box.

http://video.msnbc.m...w-show/49736431

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To extend your analogy, an alternative to cutting back to "only spending what's in your chequing account" is to get a better source of income. The Bush tax cuts were absolutely devastating to the USA's ability to cover their spending commitments. Letting them expire is a way to increase their revenue that would help to offset spending, much in the same way that a person with a larger bank account balance will be able to afford a nicer car. If the GOP were actually serious about debt reduction, not just about protecting the inflated incomes of their top donors (many having signed a tax pledge to do exactly that), they would consider both decreasing the outflow and increasing the inflow. Furthermore, they would consider cutting funding to a military that has one (and soon two) fewer wars to account for. The advantage to allowing those tax cuts to expire, and perhaps introducing a progressive tax plan on high end capital gains income, would be that it would encourage Democrats to fulfill their part of the bargain in trying to squeeze more efficiency out of entitlement spending, and they might be able to finally get a deal in place that would reassure investors that are scared by the impending "fiscal cliff".

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The five stages of Fox News grief...

In Fox News' election coverage Tuesday night, there was little pretense of fairness or balance. What there was, from the start, was a glum tone that turned downright funereal by the time Mitt Romney finally conceded, near 1 a.m. To watch the network's anchors and guests work through the dawning realization that their candidate was doomed was to witness a textbook case of Elisabeth Kubler-Ross's
.

Denial:
With the early returns breaking badly for Romney, Karl Rove points to an exit poll suggesting that Democratic turnout was low in Ohio's Cuyahoga County. Everyone basks in the critical importance of Ohio's Cuyahoga County. Anchor Megyn Kelly asks, "Is this just math you do as a Republican to make yourself feel better?" Rove assures her it's real.

Mike Huckabee, meanwhile, is counting on rural voters to turn things around: "I still think Mitt Romney wins when it is all over."

Anger:
Shortly before the race is called, Sarah Palin says an Obama victory would be a "catastrophic setback to our economy" and lashes out at the public: "I just cannot believe, though, that the majority of Americans would believe that incurring more debt is good for our economy. … I cannot believe the majority of Americans would believe it's OK not to follow the Constitution and not have a budget."

As midnight nears and reality sinks in, Megyn Kelly takes out her frustration on liberal colleague Susan Estrich: "You, having managed the Michael Dukakis campaign, are familiar with the losing feeling."

Bargaining:
With all of the networks calling the race for Obama, including Fox News, Karl Rove pleads for his fellow hosts to un-call Ohio, promising that forthcoming returns in the state will be favorable to Romney.

Kelly, followed by the cameras, heads back through the bowels of the building to grill Fox News' decision desk and see if the network's analysts will change their minds. They won't.

Depression:
Ed Henry, reporting stone-faced from Obama headquarters as it erupts in jubiliation: "The crowd is near pandemonium now, despite the fact that unemployment is hovering near 8 percent."

Charles Krauthammer: "As a psychiatrist, I will offer to write prescriptions for anyone who needs them right now."

Acceptance:
Still waiting on this one.

http://www.slate.com...pisrc=obnetwork

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The five stages of Fox News grief...

In Fox News' election coverage Tuesday night, there was little pretense of fairness or balance. What there was, from the start, was a glum tone that turned downright funereal by the time Mitt Romney finally conceded, near 1 a.m. To watch the network's anchors and guests work through the dawning realization that their candidate was doomed was to witness a textbook case of Elisabeth Kubler-Ross's
.

Denial:
With the early returns breaking badly for Romney, Karl Rove points to an exit poll suggesting that Democratic turnout was low in Ohio's Cuyahoga County. Everyone basks in the critical importance of Ohio's Cuyahoga County. Anchor Megyn Kelly asks, "Is this just math you do as a Republican to make yourself feel better?" Rove assures her it's real.

Mike Huckabee, meanwhile, is counting on rural voters to turn things around: "I still think Mitt Romney wins when it is all over."

Anger:
Shortly before the race is called, Sarah Palin says an Obama victory would be a "catastrophic setback to our economy" and lashes out at the public: "I just cannot believe, though, that the majority of Americans would believe that incurring more debt is good for our economy. … I cannot believe the majority of Americans would believe it's OK not to follow the Constitution and not have a budget."

As midnight nears and reality sinks in, Megyn Kelly takes out her frustration on liberal colleague Susan Estrich: "You, having managed the Michael Dukakis campaign, are familiar with the losing feeling."

Bargaining:
With all of the networks calling the race for Obama, including Fox News, Karl Rove pleads for his fellow hosts to un-call Ohio, promising that forthcoming returns in the state will be favorable to Romney.

Kelly, followed by the cameras, heads back through the bowels of the building to grill Fox News' decision desk and see if the network's analysts will change their minds. They won't.

Depression:
Ed Henry, reporting stone-faced from Obama headquarters as it erupts in jubiliation: "The crowd is near pandemonium now, despite the fact that unemployment is hovering near 8 percent."

Charles Krauthammer: "As a psychiatrist, I will offer to write prescriptions for anyone who needs them right now."

Acceptance:
Still waiting on this one.

http://www.slate.com...pisrc=obnetwork

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To extend your analogy, an alternative to cutting back to "only spending what's in your chequing account" is to get a better source of income. The Bush tax cuts were absolutely devastating to the USA's ability to cover their spending commitments. Letting them expire is a way to increase their revenue that would help to offset spending, much in the same way that a person with a larger bank account balance will be able to afford a nicer car. If the GOP were actually serious about debt reduction, not just about protecting the inflated incomes of their top donors (many having signed a tax pledge to do exactly that), they would consider both decreasing the outflow and increasing the inflow. Furthermore, they would consider cutting funding to a military that has one (and soon two) fewer wars to account for. The advantage to allowing those tax cuts to expire, and perhaps introducing a progressive tax plan on high end capital gains income, would be that it would encourage Democrats to fulfill their part of the bargain in trying to squeeze more efficiency out of entitlement spending, and they might be able to finally get a deal in place that would reassure investors that are scared by the impending "fiscal cliff".

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To extend your analogy, an alternative to cutting back to "only spending what's in your chequing account" is to get a better source of income. The Bush tax cuts were absolutely devastating to the USA's ability to cover their spending commitments. Letting them expire is a way to increase their revenue that would help to offset spending, much in the same way that a person with a larger bank account balance will be able to afford a nicer car. If the GOP were actually serious about debt reduction, not just about protecting the inflated incomes of their top donors (many having signed a tax pledge to do exactly that), they would consider both decreasing the outflow and increasing the inflow. Furthermore, they would consider cutting funding to a military that has one (and soon two) fewer wars to account for. The advantage to allowing those tax cuts to expire, and perhaps introducing a progressive tax plan on high end capital gains income, would be that it would encourage Democrats to fulfill their part of the bargain in trying to squeeze more efficiency out of entitlement spending, and they might be able to finally get a deal in place that would reassure investors that are scared by the impending "fiscal cliff".

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So you finally found someone you might win an argument with? .. we are all happy for you .. both sides have their "idjits" .. which side are you on?? .. :bored:

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BREAKING NEWS!!!!

We now have definitive proof that Barack Obama was in fact born in Kenya so the "birthers" were right. However it is a little known fact that Mitt Romney was also born in Kenya.

A young Kenyan mother has named her newborn twin sons after the U.S. president-elect and his defeated Republican challenger.

Millicent Owuor, 20, gave birth to Barack Obama and Mitt Romney on Wednesday at the Siaya District Hospital in southwest Kenya, according to the Standard.

Owuor told the Kenyan news outlet her sons' names will always remind her of the election in the United States.

The hospital is near the village of Kogelo, where where President Barack Obama's father was born and where his 90-year-old stepgrandmother, Sarah Obama, resides.

Jubilant residents in Kogelo cheered Obama's victory as results from the United States were reported.

Shouts of "Hail our Kogelo son" and "Obama is coming, open the road for him" rang through the air as locals blew vuvuzela horns in celebration, the Standard reports.

"If Obama did not win, I believe most projects here would stall," Joseph Onyango told the Kenyan media outlet.

Kenyans hope Obama's re-election will harken a fresh start for a U.S. relationship with Kenya, Reuters reports.

Obama visited sub-Saharan Africa just once during his first four years as president—a stop of less than a day in Ghana, according to Reuters.

If Obama does visit Kenya, maybe baby Barack can meet his namesake and baby Mitt meet the U.S. president.

There's no word yet if there have been twins named Joe Biden and Paul Ryan.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/kenyan-mother-names-twins-barack-obama-mitt-romney-132344622.html

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I am betting that the twin named Mitt Romney will change his name by deed poll , as soon as he is old enough :lol:

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Tax cuts like the ones Bush had done his diligence to get passed are supposed to be short term.. very short term, far shorter than the sunset provision itself, and certainly far shorter than when Obama extended them. No economist with their head screwed on properly praised Bush perpetuating cuts like that coupled with drastically increased spending that occurred. The most laughable one of all was from the Heritage foundation on how it somehow was going to completely remove the US federal deficit. :lol:

This is also why I'm not much of a huge fan of Keynesian economics.. the idea had good intentions presuming good faith but the usage in the late 20th, and the entirety of the 21st century, have been absolutely devastating to the global market and made governments believe they can just spend themselves to the eyeballs in debt creating all this phony growth with no repercussions.

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you know who re-elected Obama?

Latinos, Asians, Black people (negros), women and gays.

you know who voted in Mitt Romney?

White people. many of them from the "Confederate States"...

sounds hard for the republican party that if they want elect somebody in a near future they need count with the Latinos, Asians, Black people, women and gays? the "minority group" is not a "minority" anymore!

California with 55 dellegates, you know who elected Obama in CA? the giant Latinos community. the states with large population of "Spanish Speakers" elected Obama because he is the president that call attention on this group, he is Populist, he (Obama) tells what they want to hear...

you know what will happen if Porto Rico become a US state? They will support Democrats!

Republicans still think they are in war against the North. still think that Black people and Imigrants are the "bad guys" and still think that people from north are the great problem in USA. when the "Confederate States" should look themselves and realise that the war is over...

about the Economy everytime USA tell they have a problem but they spend what they have and what they don´t have, just like Europe. Why Latin America, Asia, Oceania suffer less than USA and Europe?

simple. because they spend only what they have and do what is possible...

In Brazil we created a long time ago (1960s) a service called "bad customer", when somebody buy something and don´t pay his debt for 1 year they are included on this list. so this person can´t borrow money from any bank or institution until he pays his debt even callind the banks, stores and financial institutions if needed to find a solution for that. but until you pay you debts you cannot have money from any bank...

and this list is national. if you have a debt in Rio de Janeiro you will not borrow any money from a bank in Manaus (3000km away).

you know what happen in USA? you borrow money in Florida, you borrow money in Minesota, you borrow money in Ohio. you spend more than you will have and do a mortgage with all the banks. them one day you loose all your money and you still have debts with other banks!

with the Government is the same. USA is borrowing a lot of money and China is loving it! because some day China will want this money back. some day (if this "Bonanza" continue) USA will have to sell Alaska back to Russia because USA is spending much more than they have...

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^ ^ ^ The Russians can have Alaska back if they will just agree to take the Palin family with em .. :rolleyes:

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you know who re-elected Obama?

Latinos, Asians, Black people (negros), women and gays.

you know who voted in Mitt Romney?

White people. many of them from the "Confederate States"...

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